Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

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[quote name='TimboSliceGB']i really do understand why people on't want to accept a close to always online system. But with that said people need to understan the type of world we live in now. if polygon article is true it shows you pretty much cna blame this on piracy and idiots thnk it's cool to jtag your 360 so you can get games for free. i have friends that did that and i told them it's not right and they will one day destory the game industy an seems like that is going to happen.[/QUOTE]

Someone can point out how bad my comparison is but here goes anyway: Piracy is kind of like 9/11 in that they're both terrible things, but also terribly convenient excuses for power and greed. Which is the real issue imo. There will always be greed and hunger for more power, but we should try and keep it in check. We're not doing a very good job so far.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games

this is the best option we can hope for an i really really hope it's true. yes it still makes you check into their servers once in awhile but no time frame is set and don't sound like microsoft even knows the finale details yet. with it this way gamefly,redbox, other gaming renting companys will rent just fine with no problem.[/QUOTE]

If you had any knowledge of Brian Crecente's history with CAG, you'd know not to trust one thing written by him.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']If you had any knowledge of Brian Crecente's history with CAG, you'd know not to trust one thing written by him.[/QUOTE]

but yet everyone trust the BULL**** coming out of every single media outlet even if it's diff thing every freaking article is written. Who can we trust with this stuff. i swear ever since tues their has been 30 articles saying complete diff things. to be honest in my mind that article is the only one that trully makes since out of every one i have read on the subject.
 
it's obvious microsoft is not 100 percent on what they will do. At this point i think they are feeling rushed thanks to sony and was not planning for this thing to come out till next year. they are not saying anything on this stuff because they them self's don't know what they are doing 100 percent yet.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games

this is the best option we can hope for an i really really hope it's true. yes it still makes you check into their servers once in awhile but no time frame is set and don't sound like microsoft even knows the finale details yet. with it this way gamefly,redbox, other gaming renting companys will rent just fine with no problem.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind that Polygon said backwards compatibility would be in this thing, as well as no restriction on used games and not being always online. I also don't have to remind anyone that Polygon was originally bankrolled by Microsoft, and they more often than not, show it.
 
[quote name='Jimmienoman']What?

400m=/=400m households that have a One.[/QUOTE]

The article specifically says up to 1 billion next gen consoles. That's enough consoles for one out of every 7 people, unless of course they're planning on having an even higher failure rate than last time around.
 
Hard to get a response... tough crowd...

What does everyone think the likelihood of a MS releasing a different model outside the U.S.? We all know that except a small handful of countries their international sales SUCK however I can't imagine that this model with the "always on" and "always connected" would even be feasible outside the U.S. and maybe Canada/Australia/UK.

Does that mean they made a second model for other regions?
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Hard to get a response... tough crowd...

What does everyone think the likelihood of a MS releasing a different model outside the U.S.? We all know that except a small handful of countries their international sales SUCK however I can't imagine that this model with the "always on" and "always connected" would even be feasible outside the U.S. and maybe Canada/Australia/UK.

Does that mean they made a second model for other regions?[/QUOTE]

So you think only English speaking countries have good internet connections?
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']So you think only English speaking countries have good internet connections?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure if that's exactly what he was getting at, but here look at the world-wide internet penetration rate.

InternetPenetrationWorldMap.svg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

On topic, I don't think that Microsoft is going to make a new Xbox One for the countries that are usually a generation behind like Brazil. What usually happens in those countries is that console companies push the older tech because it's cheaper and has a large installed base of games. Heck, they are still selling Master System TV-Game consoles in Brazil.

If Microsoft is to make a play for these countries, then they would be better served making a smaller and cheaper Xbox 360 to compete against the Playstation 3 when the time is right. I think Nintendo is probably going to be marketing their Wii Mini in those regions as well.
 
[quote name='giantqtipz']Guys just to confirm.

No used fees right?[/QUOTE]

That seems like it'd be a simple question to answer. If you believe a word that Polygon says (I wouldn't) then I think the simple answer would be no there is no used game fee on top of whatever the cost of the game is that you would pay. I don't even really know if MS knows the true answer to that right now though.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']So you think only English speaking countries have good internet connections?[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying...

or as a person that is semi educated on these issues what I could have been saying is that those are the ONLY regions where the Xbox sells at even a respectable rate compared to the Japanese consoles.

But according to the map someone else provided it also appears those are the only regions that have the infrastructure to pull something like the XBox One off.

So yes... (and this time not sarcastic)
 
[quote name='uncle5555']Which still contains DRM....and you can't resell your games, make used purchases, etc. Am I missing something here??? :drool:

Or are the magical and glorious Steam sales going to save us all from price gouging and piracy?
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Steam always has had to price more competitively due to the nature of not being able to resell their games. They'll always be cheaper than X1 prices. I want to see what MS officially announces on used games (hopefully at E3) because all of these articles and rumors are a lot to keep up with.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Hard to get a response... tough crowd...

What does everyone think the likelihood of a MS releasing a different model outside the U.S.? We all know that except a small handful of countries their international sales SUCK however I can't imagine that this model with the "always on" and "always connected" would even be feasible outside the U.S. and maybe Canada/Australia/UK.

Does that mean they made a second model for other regions?[/QUOTE]

We're not trying to ignore the question. A lot of us just don't know so we're not saying.

If you wanted me to guess, based on some early word X1 isn't region free. So even if you imported a console from South America, you wouldn't be able to play any NA games on it anyways. So I would think it wouldn't do you any good to import a console.
 
It will be interesting to see if the daily license checks end up being the downfall of the entire DRM scheme as hackers sniff packets and work towards server emulation ala Windows cracks.
 
[quote name='Donut2922']We're not trying to ignore the question. A lot of us just don't know so we're not saying.

If you wanted me to guess, based on some early word X1 isn't region free. So even if you imported a console from South America, you wouldn't be able to play any NA games on it anyways. So I would think it wouldn't do you any good to import a console.[/QUOTE]

Right but if all you wanted to do was play games... and they made a console that did JUST that for regions that don't have the same high speed infrastructure then you could buy that console and import games to get around any region barriers.
 
MS is more likely to go to everyone's house around the world and install an internet connection themselves before making another SKU that won't require it.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Right but if all you wanted to do was play games... and they made a console that did JUST that for regions that don't have the same high speed infrastructure then you could buy that console and import games to get around any region barriers.[/QUOTE]

That would be very expensive and slow. Plus there is no guarantee it won't have issues of another sort.
 
[quote name='spatenfloot']That would be very expensive and slow. Plus there is no guarantee it won't have issues of another sort.[/QUOTE]
There always will be, but I can't imagine Microsoft overlooking any of that since they should've learned their lesson from the 360.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']This was a few pages back, but a point was brought up that you can look in the guide for your favorite channels instead of scrolling through hundreds of channels you don't watch.

Thing is, a lot of DVRs and cable boxes allow you to change your lineup to only look at channels you want. Hell, my TiVo does that and it's so old they don't make my model anymore.[/QUOTE]

Most people know what number there favorite channels are.

The problem arises when you want to watch something on a channel you never watch. Like the Xbox One reveal thing the other day--I never watch Spike and thus had to google what channel it was to save time scrolling through the full guide (since it's obviously not in my favorites) to find it.

[quote name='ShockandAww']They should have something with Kinect where you just say "Xbox HBO" or the name of the station and it goes to it. [/quote]

They showed it doing just that type of stuff during the reveal conference. That was the feature that most intrigued me about the reveal.

Edit: Of course I dont know why this crap isnt already a function of newer TVs or DVRs or whatver. Again though maybe it is or it will soon be I don't pay much attention to whats going on with TV.
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Yeah, there's been very little innovation in DVRs since the original Tivo. Just changes to the OS/guide layout, more storage space, more shows recordable at the same time, whole house DVRs etc.

But nothing that's really improved the ease of use. I'd think the Xbox One may push Tivo or the cable/satellite companies to add a microphone and some voice command options to their DVRs though.
 
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[quote name='tokyostomp']5 Billion Transistors = Next Gen Winner![/QUOTE]

Seriously, what does that even mean?
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Right but if all you wanted to do was play games... and they made a console that did JUST that for regions that don't have the same high speed infrastructure then you could buy that console and import games to get around any region barriers.[/QUOTE]

I would think it wouldn't be as cost effective to pay for importing games. Would it also create issues with non-English settings on the console? There may also be import issues with the console itself. Australia and South America have current restrictions of importing games into their own countries as well. Maybe it would be the same here? I'm just spit balling here of course but I get where you're heading here: there is still the possibility importing a console from outside U.S. works but for us cags I think the availability and convenience would be the ultimate deterrent (sp?). If we find a deal we want to be able to come pick it up immediatey or shipped to us within a week - tops.
 
[quote name='Donut2922']I would think it wouldn't be as cost effective to pay for importing games. Would it also create issues with non-English settings on the console? There may also be import issues with the console itself. Australia and South America have current restrictions of importing games into their own countries as well. Maybe it would be the same here? I'm just spit balling here of course but I get where you're heading here: there is still the possibility importing a console from outside U.S. works but for us cags I think the availability and convenience would be the ultimate deterrent (sp?). If we find a deal we want to be able to come pick it up immediatey or shipped to us within a week - tops.[/QUOTE]

Yes but I want to be able to play the twenty (maybe less) Xbox exclusives games that don't rely on a gimmicky kinect feature. I'm thinking back across last generation and there were maybe that many that didn't eventually find their way onto the PC or PS3.

I could certainly wait. As we speak MILLIONS of people buy and import consoles from other regions for all kinds of reasons. It isn't an unheard of phenomena. We are spoiled in the U.S. where we tend to get the best of everything but if I could get a next gen Xbox that was just the console and just played games I'd be willing to wait.
 
It's pretty funny how people are complaining about the lack of game content being shown, considering clearly they we're getting the non-game stuff out of the way, so they could show off games at E3.

If Microsoft just showed off all their games at this press conference and showed off the other stuff at E3 people would have thrown an even bigger fit.
 
Yup we'll have to pay for the privilege of watching something that probably won't be as good as Starship Troopers...
 
[quote name='KillerRamen']I'm not sure if that's exactly what he was getting at, but here look at the world-wide internet penetration rate.

InternetPenetrationWorldMap.svg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

On topic, I don't think that Microsoft is going to make a new Xbox One for the countries that are usually a generation behind like Brazil. What usually happens in those countries is that console companies push the older tech because it's cheaper and has a large installed base of games. Heck, they are still selling Master System TV-Game consoles in Brazil.

If Microsoft is to make a play for these countries, then they would be better served making a smaller and cheaper Xbox 360 to compete against the Playstation 3 when the time is right. I think Nintendo is probably going to be marketing their Wii Mini in those regions as well.[/QUOTE]

backbone of internet in u.s is god awful. why o you think internet is so expensive here the backbone is awful. china you get like 100 mbps per sec for like 15 bucks a month. onlive showed why streaming video games will not work till u.s government spends money on better backbone of intenret and with the gov we have now that will not happen soon if ever.
 
Baffles me how people will complain about anything and everything. Oh MS didn't talk about video games during the reveal? What a surprise considering E3 is right around the corner...you know that huge event that is for video games?

People can complain if they only talk about these other features at that event. The reveal was a hype machine to show off the console and "entertainment" features. They are expanding their market by doing this.
 
God, those comics sucked.

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Spielberg's name attached to something is a good way to tell if something is going to *cups hands over mouth*
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm not complaining about games I just thought that comic was funny, I have plenty of legitimate concerns about their so-called features.
 
The reveal was a hype machine[/B] to show off the console and "entertainment" features. They are expanding their market by doing this.
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Well if it was suppose to be a "hype machine" it failed miserably.

It certainly did garner a lot of attention though....
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Well if it was suppose to be a "hype machine" it failed miserably.

It certainly did garner a lot of attention though....[/QUOTE]

and ps4 id any better? only games they was ip's we seen how many times alreay omg killzone omg infomus ZZZZ
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']and ps4 id any better? only games they was ip's we seen how many times alreay omg killzone omg infomus ZZZZ[/QUOTE]

To be fair they at least avoided (mostly) negative PR where as all anyone talking about with the Xbox 1 is rumors about used game restrictions, not wanting Kinect, worries about needing internet at least once a day to keep games working etc.

Sony's conference was just lackluster as I didn't show anything to wow anyone and make them stoked for a new console--when most people seem perfectly fine continuning to game on their PS3s and 360s.

MS did the same plus is getting a ton of negative PR and gamer blow back over all the above. So they definitely botched the announcement more than Sony did.

But both botched it. And right now I really couldn't give a rat's fart about either console. I've got plenty of current gen stuff and a 3DS to keep me busy for at least a couple more years. At this point I'm perfectly content to do so and wait for the XB1 and PS4 to playout so I can make a more informed buying decision after a price drop or two when there's a solid library of games out (or not if they both struggle).

[quote name='TimboSliceGB']seeing sony did not talk about most of the entertainment in feb it will take up tons of their e3 conf[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be sure about that. They see the blowback MS is getting from gamers. They may be wise enough to just really focus in on games at E3 and try to take advantage of all this negative PR MS is getting and try to cement the PS4 as the console for serious gamers.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I wouldn't be sure about that. They see the blowback MS is getting from gamers. They may be wise enough to just really focus in on games at E3 and try to take advantage of all this negative PR MS is getting and try to cement the PS4 as the console for serious gamers.[/QUOTE]
Ahahahaha.

MS and publishers get a cut on the used sales. Why wouldn't Sony want to get in on that? Why wouldn't Sony feel pressure from publishers to take part in an identical business model?
 
[quote name='Brak']Ahahahaha.

MS and publishers get a cut on the used sales. Why wouldn't Sony want to get in on that? Why wouldn't Sony feel pressure from publishers to take part in an identical business model?[/QUOTE]

Uhhhh because if people don't like it and dont buy it, there's no revenue? If Sony decides that by not implementing xbox1 type drm, they can have a bigger user base to offset the cut or if the publishers think they can move more new units to offset the cut they lose out on, they'd go with Sony.

Would EA rather sell 2 mil copies of something on ps4 and forego used sales or sell 1 mil copies on x1 and then get a 10% cut of used sales?

Just to make it absolutely clear to you, I'm not saying ps4 will outsell xbox1 two to one, I'm saying that its one possibility why Sony might not want a cut as you so flippantly dismissed as a possibility.
 
[quote name='Brak']Ahahahaha.

MS and publishers get a cut on the used sales. Why wouldn't Sony want to get in on that? Why wouldn't Sony feel pressure from publishers to take part in an identical business model?[/QUOTE]

They may well. That wasn't what I was talking about in my post you quoted thought. That was just about whether Sony will really push gaming--or split focus by talking about entertainment stuff.

I suspect they'll really sell the PS3 as a gaming machine, regardless of whether it has a similar used game restriction as the Xbox 1 (if it does end up having one after all is said and done after this blowback). They can still try to show that they are focused on being a games first machine, while MS is splitting their message and turning gamers off with the focus on TV stuff, Kinect etc.

If they both have used game restrictions, then that becomes moot to one's decision of which of the two to buy. Stuff like whether you want an always on Kinect or not, whether all the TV stuff annoys you etc. factor in and Sony can take advantage of people disgruntled by MS's focus on the non-gaming features of the Xbox 1 by focusing on the PS4 as a gaming console for serious gamers.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Uhhhh because if people don't like it and dont buy it, there's no revenue? If Sony decides that by not implementing xbox1 type drm, they can have a bigger user base to offset the cut or if the publishers think they can move more new units to offset the cut they lose out on, they'd go with Sony.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.

Everyone seems to be missing this nugget. I'll lay it out like this:

25 million consumers purchased Black Ops II.

How many of those 25 million consumers know what "DRM" is.

The "core gamer" - or savvy gamers, or whatever - is in the minority. There's a lot of savvy gamers out there, but gaming was brought into more living rooms than ever last generation. Look at the Wii and the Kinect, and that dildo thing with the ping-pong ball on the tip that the PS3 had.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah.

Everyone seems to be missing this nugget. I'll lay it out like this:

25 million consumers purchased Black Ops II.

How many of those 25 million consumers know what "DRM" is.

The "core gamer" - or savvy gamers, or whatever - is in the minority. There's a lot of savvy gamers out there, but gaming was brought into more living rooms than ever last generation. Look at the Wii and the Kinect, and that dildo thing with the ping-pong ball on the tip that the PS3 had.[/QUOTE]

Yeah most of those CoD players have internet so a spot check before they hop into MP will not even seem like an issue. MS is banking on this fact.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Yeah most of those CoD players have internet so a spot check before they hop into MP will not even seem like an issue. MS is banking on this fact.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, FIFA, Madden, whatever other flavors of the month, etc. (and I'm sure Minecraft will be slapped on the One as well) -- that's A LOT of buying power / votes right there.

What would you say the percentage of those gamers are savvy gamers? I'd say it's pretty low.

Consumers love reppin' their favorite brands. Even Mountain Dew swillin', pink Polo collar poppin' bros who love Call of Duty think they're the shit for playing on console A, and that anyone playing on the console B are "gay". If they were reppin' the 360 this generation, they're gonna rep the One next generation.

Could you imagine one of those bros waxing philosophical about DRM or how it's BS that they're not able to sell their games themselves? :lol: I can't. They gladly trade their shitty games into GameStop for pennies on the dollar already!

Anyway, it's a romantic idea to think that the PS4 will be for the TRUE GAMER!, but we won't be forking over as much money as the other morons. I'm still open to the idea that Sony will shun the trade-in crap MS is doing, but I'm more inclined to believe that they'll follow suit (or, rather, were already following suit). Status quo!
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Yeah most of those CoD players have internet so a spot check before they hop into MP will not even seem like an issue. MS is banking on this fact.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. That's a huge boon for MS.

The CoD community on 360 is MUCH bigger than on PS3, as evidenced by players online, how active the CoD thread is in the 360 forum vs. the PS3 forum here and other sites etc. Same for other online games like Borderlands 2.

That's what MS is banking on. There core gamers have internet connections and are gaming online, buying DLC map packs etc. Those are a big chunk of gamers buying games at full price, DLC at full price etc.

They seem to just want to keep those mainstream gamers and not to care much about the hard cores, single player gamers as much.

Time will tell if that pays of or bites them in the ass. It's a much bigger market than the hardcore crowd. But also a market that buys many fewer games per year.

So it's just a matter of how the chips fall and how that balances out in terms of whether they keep/attract enough of the mainstream market to make up for losing hardcore gamers who buy more games (albeit often not at $60 launch prices).
 
I wonder how many 360 gamers will feel inner pressure to buy The One because of their gamerscores. :lol:

Sound crazy, but it was a smart move on Microsoft's part.

I have 80,000+, I think, and feel like poop that I actually struggled to get some of that and it's ultimately all for not. Well, moreso seeing as how I'm gonna pass on their next console. :lol: I can't remember the name of the marketing tactic, but Achievements are the most extreme case I've ever seen - the AOL sample discs utilized sort of the same tactic, where you put the disc in your computer, fill out quite a bit of info and select a username before you can use the trial. You feel obligated to proceed because you put effort into it.

I disabled all notifications on my 360 a few months back. I recommend everyone do that - especially if you have completionist OCD. It made playing games carefree again. ;)
 
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