Minimum Wage....Yeeeehaaaa!

egofed said:
Berzirk, maybe you can tell me what comments I have made in this thread that can be construed as racist?
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I didn't mention you by name as being racist...should I have? It is a little humorous that you assumed I was talking about you. Don't care to go through all the posts and quote it, but one wingnut was rambling about welfare queens (which are never intended to describe poor, white, trailer trash) and another was going on about a list of dumb athletes/entertainers, who just so happened to be exclusively black. Seemed an odd choice of examples. The owner of those two posts are who I would allege have some bigotry issues.

If that includes you and the welfare recipient's $200 Air Jordan shoe fits....

 
Msut77 said:
I made a reference to the mcdonalds min. wage "budget" a while back that no one chose to engage. that might have been fruitful.
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We have a difference in ideologies. You think the gov't should have the power to force a private company to pay what it deems is a livable wage, I think the gov't should be basically limited to its directly given Constitutional powers. I want people to be free to establish and work for any wage that they agree to. Control versus freedom.
 
berzirk said:
I didn't mention you by name as being racist...should I have? It is a little humorous that you assumed I was talking about you. Don't care to go through all the posts and quote it, but one wingnut was rambling about welfare queens (which are never intended to describe poor, white, trailer trash) and another was going on about a list of dumb athletes/entertainers, who just so happened to be exclusively black. Seemed an odd choice of examples. The owner of those two posts are who I would allege have some bigotry issues.

If that includes you and the welfare recipient's $200 Air Jordan shoe fits....
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If the majority of the high profile athletes that have filed bankruptcy happen to be black does it make me racist for pointing that out? Mind you I didn't make any reference to the fact they were black. You did.

If you can think of a higher profile athlete that blew through more money then Mike Tyson I would love for you to share.

The point goes back to the fact that without sound education and sound spending habits people aren't going to make sound decisions with their money.

If you think otherwise I'd love to hear why.

 
I never looked into it much but I never realized how many states don't pay the same for tipped jobs. I wonder how much the COLA is in the state of Calfornia, it can't be as low as what they are offering in San Fransisco and San Jose, I commend those cities for doing that though.

If there is one thing I think most of us can agree on I think it's the need to abolish these dual wage standards, just have one wage accross the board in the state you live in.

 
Msut77 said:
I do remember the time ego had a giggle over Trayvon Martin's death.
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Are you high? I never laughed at the tragic death of Trayvon, I laughed at the complete lack of rational and open minded thinking by so called liberals who totally disregarded eye witness testimony and physical evidence. Since you have now resorted to grasping at misinformation taken from months old threads, I do believe that I am done with you. Too bad you could never answer my question.
 
egofed said:
Are you high? I never laughed at the tragic death of Trayvon, I laughed at the complete lack of rational and open minded thinking by so called liberals who totally disregarded eye witness testimony and physical evidence. Since you have now resorted to grasping at misinformation taken from months old threads, I do believe that I am done with you. Too bad you could never answer my question.
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You made a joke about defending him to the death. Then typed the creepy laugh noises you always type.

 
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berzirk said:
I didn't mention you by name as being racist...should I have? It is a little humorous that you assumed I was talking about you. Don't care to go through all the posts and quote it, but one wingnut was rambling about welfare queens (which are never intended to describe poor, white, trailer trash) and another was going on about a list of dumb athletes/entertainers, who just so happened to be exclusively black. Seemed an odd choice of examples. The owner of those two posts are who I would allege have some bigotry issues.

If that includes you and the welfare recipient's $200 Air Jordan shoe fits....
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You mentioned Silk and I by name in your post, then mentioned "two buffoons" Being racist. Please excuse me for misunderstanding. Who posted about welfare queens? I missed that particular post. Also, I use the term welfare queen to refer to any person who is having children while receiving welfare benefits, regardless of race.
 
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I remember when we were talking about actual numbers and evidence that showed raising the minimum wage decreased poverty in the US.

Oh, wait....

 
egofed said:
You mentioned Silk and I by name in your post, then mentioned "two buffoons" Being racist. Please excuse me for misunderstanding. Who posted about welfare queens? I missed that particular post. Also, I use the term welfare queen to refer to any person who is having children while receiving welfare benefits, regardless of race.
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"Welfare Queen" isn't a term geared towards any specific race. My God.

Welfare queen is commonly used in maine to describe females milking the system, specifically by continuing to have kids to prolong benefits.

I can assure you the number of white welfare queens in Maine dwarfs every other race combined... exponentially.

 
Isn't Maine very white in the first place?

Anyway, the minimum wage is a poor poverty-reducing tool for the simple reason that the majority of minimum wage earners do not live in poverty.

The practical effect of the minimum wage is that it makes it more difficult for young people, especially non-whites, to develop a work record. Because I was low-skilled and low IQ, I had difficult finding a job in high school. So in 2002 I enrolled my school's ROP program so I could leave school at noon each day, work for free for several months for one of the biggest companies in the world, and then finally apply for an above-minimum wage job at that company.

In the absence of a minimum wage, that company would not be restricted in what wage it could hire me at. Instead of working for free for a few months, that company could have hired me at $4/hour as a sort of probationary period, so I could prove my worth. But it was and is illegal to do that.

You would support a minimum wage if you feel that is it morally unacceptable for someone to work for less than an arbitrary dollar amount per hour, and believe that it is justified for government to impose your moral values on society at large, but don't think for a second that it is very effective for reducing poverty. It is not.

Reducing or eliminating the minimum wage would eradicate black youth unemployment for one thing. It would allow companies to take chances on the lowest skilled and least experienced work force in America, allow those young workers to develop a work record, and then grow in their careers. Within half a decade I would predict black median incomes would start to rise as those initial workers "graduate" from those low-paid jobs and into better ones.

Unemployment for black workers age 16-24 is double that of whites for the same age group. Can't do any worse than that.
 
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GBAstar said:
That's the point. The term "Welfare queen" while derogatory in nature is race neutral.
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There are different welfare programs so the numbers will come out differently for each program, but I'm pretty sure that in general blacks, more specifically black women, tend to be more disproportionately on welfare than whites.

The stereotypes for blacks are really based on gender. For black women it is the welfare queen and for black men it is the thug/felon/ex-felon/reoffender. Because so many black men go to jail, government must pick up the slack for black women. The kids see this and the girls just become like their moms and the boys become like their dads. It's a vicious cycle and happens to enough families to create those black-white disparities.

Suffice to say I don't think minimum wage is going to even touch that problem.
 
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I hate that "thug" is considered a racial stereotype.

I grew up around a lot of people who were known as "thugs" and every one of them was white.

 
Gary Busey

Anna Nicole Smith

Jose Canseco

Stephen Baldwin

Wayne Newton

Kim Basinger

Vince Neil

Johnny Unitas

Curt Schilling

Bernie Kosar

Lenny Dykstra

Mark Brunell

Just a handful of well known personalities that could have been listed. Mike Tyson is certainly one of the biggest examples of a former athlete losing a fortune, but Curt Schilling would have been relevant to this website, and a good choice too.

Regarding Welfare Queen, come on now. You really think when you walk up to 50 people and ask them about the connotation of welfare queen, you're not going to hear a majority of them describe an overweight black lady with a bunch of kids?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen

Maybe you really think this, maybe you'll say you do, I don't know your intention, but at best, you would be ignorant of the typical application of the term, at worst, intentionally deceitful and dishonest in pretending not to use it in that fashion. Ole Gbastar. For those moments when Knoell sounds rational and you need a counterbalance.

Sigh.

Keep thuggin'.

 
UncleBob said:
I hate that "thug" is considered a racial stereotype.

I grew up around a lot of people who were known as "thugs" and every one of them was white.
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Thug is the new n-word, assuming that we are talking about the "niggas vs black people" paradigm coined by the great philosopher and thinker Chris Rock. To be perfectly honest, my entire view on race comes from that bit. It's legendary and I'm sorry to see him disown it.
 
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berzirk said:
Gary Busey
Anna Nicole Smith
Jose Canseco
Stephen Baldwin
Wayne Newton
Kim Basinger
Vince Neil
Johnny Unitas
Curt Schilling
Bernie Kosar
Lenny Dykstra
Mark Brunell

Just a handful of well known personalities that could have been listed. Mike Tyson is certainly one of the biggest examples of a former athlete losing a fortune, but Curt Schilling would have been relevant to this website, and a good choice too.

Regarding Welfare Queen, come on now. You really think when you walk up to 50 people and ask them about the connotation of welfare queen, you're not going to hear a majority of them describe an overweight black lady with a bunch of kids?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen

Maybe you really think this, maybe you'll say you do, I don't know your intention, but at best, you would be ignorant of the typical application of the term, at worst, intentionally deceitful and dishonest in pretending not to use it in that fashion. Ole Gbastar. For those moments when Knoell sounds rational and you need a counterbalance.

Sigh.

Keep thuggin'.
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Dude, please don't apply your personal racial bias and stereotypes to everyone. I don't really care what you believe concerning my personal thoughts, but to imply that I am a racist because of how you think 50 people would perceive me because of the usage of a term that applies to all welfare breeders is irrational. Try to not apply racism to every single issue. It detracts from the true problems at hand and muddies the waters of interaction. Disagree with me on the basis that having kids while on welfare is not a bad idea if that is what you believe. We only have people's words to go by in this format, so take me at mine: I abhor people of all races who selfishly reproduce in order to gain a larger welfare income courtesy of the tax payers. What are your feelings on the sound clip I posted earlier about Lucy?
 
GBAstar said:
"Welfare Queen" isn't a term geared towards any specific race. My God.
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I'm not sure if you're being willfully naive, or lying to convince yourself. Only you can answer that.

At least nobody can deny the sexism inherent in both the term and much of the framing of it, yes?

 
mykevermin said:
I'm not sure if you're being willfully naive, or lying to convince yourself. Only you can answer that.

At least nobody can deny the sexism inherent in both the term and much of the framing of it, yes?
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AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahahahahahaaaaaaa....whew...racism AND sexism. Unbunch your panties and actually consider the issue instead of the liberal PC BS.

 
mykevermin said:
I'm not sure if you're being willfully naive, or lying to convince yourself. Only you can answer that.
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Far more succinct than I wrote. That's the gist of it right there.

Maybe you're misapplying the term ego. Maybe it's the rest of society who understands the connotation, and you're the only one that doesn't. Please don't apply your ignorance of concepts and vocabulary to everybody.

 
berzirk said:
Far more succinct than I wrote. That's the gist of it right there.

Maybe you're misapplying the term ego. Maybe it's the rest of society who understands the connotation, and you're the only one that doesn't. Please don't apply your ignorance of concepts and vocabulary to everybody.
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He understands VERY well what it means. He made a thread a while back about "welfare queens" and posted a youtube video of a black woman in the OP. It's just a variation on GBAStar's plausible deniablity theme in regards to him living in Maine, but we can all see through it.

It's like saying that f*ggot isn't a slur because you grew up in a household that used the term as another name for meatballs. Shitty analogy, but I'm sure you guys get the point.
 
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dohdough said:
He understands VERY well what it means.
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I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt (I've been gone awhile, so while many names are familiar - and some personalities, too, some folks I don't recall all that well). But denying sexism in the term "welfare queen" shows that ego is more committed to standing his ideological ground (and being "right") than he is to actual debate and discourse. The latter includes the risk of horrible things like "admitting you were wrong," "changing your mind" on a topic, and worst of all, "seeing issues for the complexities they contain."

Posing to appear right just to appear right is a very unfortunate character flaw. It is, however, sadly successful in helping get folks elected to higher office.

 
dohdough said:
He understands VERY well what it means. He made a thread a while back about "welfare queens" and posted a youtube video of a black woman in the OP. It's just a variation on GBAStar's plausible deniablity theme in regards to him living in Maine, but we can all see through it.

It's like saying that f*ggot isn't a slur because you grew up in a household that used the term as another name for meatballs. Shitty analogy, but I'm sure you guys get the point.
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Are you serious? So I can not post a video of a woman who has multiple kids and is on welfare screaming "who's gonna feed my kids?" as an example of how our system is full of selfish adults ruining the lives of kids just because she is black? What if she was white? I posted videos of white welfare queens also. You guys are the ones who are hung up on race. I'll be damned if I'm not gonna call out irresponsibility and selfishness because of someone's race. Buncha chuckleheads....."You must always be criticizing someone solely because of their race, it could never actually be their idiotic actions that you abhor." :roll:

 
What if she was white? We'll never know because you posted a vid of some black lady, then claim ignorance to what common society extracts from the phrase "welfare queen". Your ignorance of the term is one thing. Your stubbornness over your ignorance and refusing to acknowledge that it carries a greater meaning than you initially thought is the part that I think have the three or four of us shaking our heads at you in disbelief.

 
egofed said:
Are you serious? So I can not post a video of a woman who has multiple kids and is on welfare screaming "who's gonna feed my kids?" as an example of how our system is full of selfish adults ruining the lives of kids just because she is black? What if she was white? I posted videos of white welfare queens also. You guys are the ones who are hung up on race. I'll be damned if I'm not gonna call out irresponsibility and selfishness because of someone's race. Buncha chuckleheads....."You must always be criticizing someone solely because of their race, it could never actually be their idiotic actions that you abhor." :roll:
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LOL. You just have to make sure you post a similar video of a white women at the same time so you're equal out the shame scale... it's much easier to call someone racist then to discuss the underlying issue behind the video.

 
What astounds me is that you guys can't believe that someone actually judges people by their actions and not their skin color. Guess who saved my butt when my car got totaled last week and I needed a ride home from the station? My friend, a black guy. Guess who climbed on his roof to help him install his window screens? Me, a white guy. Guess who has kissed at least three black girls in a way that would make your momma blush? Me.  Guess who spent 6 hours assisting his new black homeless lady friend with gov't paperwork and rides? Me. Maybe I am just a better human being than you guys. :wave: I don't believe that there is any genetic component that limits what people can accomplish. I do believe that we have a welfare system in place that holds people of all races who get caught up in an entitlement attitude down.

How about any of you commenting on this link?   http://safeshare.tv/w/csrqsTAmSx

I eagerly await your reactions....

 
egofed said:
What astounds me is that you guys can't believe that someone actually judges people by their actions and not their skin color. Guess who saved my butt when my car got totaled last week and I needed a ride home from the station? My friend, a black guy. Guess who climbed on his roof to help him install his window screens? Me, a white guy. Guess who has kissed at least three black girls in a way that would make your momma blush? Me. Guess who spent 6 hours assisting his new black homeless lady friend with gov't paperwork and rides? Me. Maybe I am just a better human being than you guys. :wave: I don't believe that there is any genetic component that limits what people can accomplish. I do believe that we have a welfare system in place that holds people of all races who get caught up in an entitlement attitude down.

How about any of you commenting on this link? http://safeshare.tv/w/csrqsTAmSx

I eagerly await your reactions....
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Jesus, you're single handedly creating welfare queens all over the place! Assisting the black homeless? I thought you were a compassionate conservative. Shouldn't you have kicked her in the ass and told her to solve her own problems and quit depending on the white man?

Let me know if we're comparing ethnic acquaintance resumes. I want to go through my Facebook friends list first.

 
Welfare queen absolutely means a black woman. It's free, swipe yo EBT, as the song goes.

Just as thug is absolutely a modern version of the N-word. I welcome it because we can finally use an accurate term for the thugs who commit a disproportionate amount of crime in society.

The colorblind folk are just as bad as the anti-racists.
 
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Would ya look at that... everyone who's in favor of increasing the minimum wage gets out of having to actually back up claims that doing so would decrease the poverty level by just pointing fingers and accusing others of being racist.

Contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation, derailing any chance of actually discussing the topic (likely because they can't actually back up what they're saying) *and* they get to call people names too boot!  It's like a win-win-win for them.

 
I think we're all talented enough to discuss minimum wage and point out racism and sexism.  

Personally, I always thought welfare queen referred to when Freddie Mercury sang to homeless people on the street.

 
Folks might be, but they aren't showing it in this thread.  I'm open to someone posting actual figures showing that increasing minimum wage decreases the national poverty level.

 
berzirk said:
Jesus, you're single handedly creating welfare queens all over the place! Assisting the black homeless? I thought you were a compassionate conservative. Shouldn't you have kicked her in the ass and told her to solve her own problems and quit depending on the white man?

Let me know if we're comparing ethnic acquaintance resumes. I want to go through my Facebook friends list first.
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Hehheheehhehee...you made me laugh. I do trust that you actually comprehend the idea of voluntarily offering my help versus being forced by the gov't to contribute to a corrupt, inefficient, and manipulative system that is intended to make and keep people reliant on the gov't. It is not about helping, it is about control and votes.

 
UncleBob said:
Would ya look at that... everyone who's in favor of increasing the minimum wage gets out of having to actually back up claims that doing so would decrease the poverty level by just pointing fingers and accusing others of being racist.

Contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation, derailing any chance of actually discussing the topic (likely because they can't actually back up what they're saying) *and* they get to call people names too boot! It's like a win-win-win for them.
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Sorry for playing with them, Bob. It is just too funny to hear them whine and compare public servants to welfare recipients, and throw out the unfounded racist and sexist accusations faster than Paul Walker's Ferrari... ;)

 
UncleBob said:
Folks might be, but they aren't showing it in this thread. I'm open to someone posting actual figures showing that increasing minimum wage decreases the national poverty level.
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I don't think raising the minimum wage alone can combat all poverty. It can be very helpful for the working poor though.

You guys aren't okay with adjusting the minimum wage for inflation? I thought everyone was behind that.

 
Some folks don't believe in minimum wage laws.

Also, considering that there's reason to believe that raising minimum wage actually causes prices to rise (i.e.: inflation), it's like drilling more holes in the bottom of the boat because there's water in the boat.

 
willardhaven said:
I don't think raising the minimum wage alone can combat all poverty. It can be very helpful for the working poor though.
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The working poor are not the primary beneficiaries of the minimum wage. The primary beneficiaries of the minimum wage are workers who live in households earning above the poverty line. Relatively few heads of households earn the minimum wage.

When the labor participation rate is the lowest it's been since the late 70s, how do you think raising the minimum wage will help?

When 1 in 3 black men can expect to spend some time in prison during their lifetimes, how do you think raising the minimum wage will help?
 
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Purple Flames said:
GAP says to hell with mimimum wage and raises the salaries if its 65k employees: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-19/gap-ditches-the-minimum-wage-gives-raises-to-65-000-workers#r=most%20popular

I guess it's time to see who's right and who's wrong. My personal prediction: this won't make a loaf of bread skyrocket to $10 a loaf.
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:nottalking:

So they're giving a raise to 65,000 employees.... what you fail to mention is that the very most those raises could possible be is $1.75/hr (federal minimum wage is $7.25). Knowing that in many states, like CT, they are probably already making $8/hr or more so there raise to $9 would be less then a $1/hr.

And also it is safe to say that if you work at the GAP and you were making minimum wage you were NOT a full time employee.

But again tell me how a raise to $9/hr is equivalent to the $15+/hr that people were calling for?

 
I find it hilarious how now the GOP is concerned that the minimum wage increase might hurt the poor and destroy jobs. Funny how Congressional inaction has already cost us so many, what's a few hundred  thousand more? Since when has the GOP actually given a genuine crap about poverty anyway? They decide we don't even deserve to eat much less get our own bootstraps.

 
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Minimum wage increase DOES hurt jobs, but better yet it HURTS EVERYONE. This is another ideological BS idea that the liberals have concocted to make it seem like they are the party of the people.

Do any of you defenders of Minimum wage even realizes what it does? When you raise the minimum wage companies and owners have to pay their workers more.... Guess What? The price of everything else INCREASES, you are doing a damn thing.
 
RPGNinja said:
Minimum wage increase DOES hurt jobs, but better yet it HURTS EVERYONE. This is another ideological BS idea that the liberals have concocted to make it seem like they are the party of the people.Do any of you defenders of Minimum wage even realizes what it does? When you raise the minimum wage companies and owners have to pay their workers more.... Guess What? The price of everything else INCREASES, you are doing a damn thing.
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Your Fox News, Bill O'Reilly parroting has easily made you the least interesting conservative/republican/libertarian poster to show your face on this board. Show some creativity in your arguments, address the topics on point rather than just repeating blanket conservative talking points, and think for yourself. These "arguments" you keep posting are so uninspired that it almost makes them a parody.
 
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