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Pretty sure it's a troll that used to have another account that was banned.  He's only been a member here for a month or so and magically he seems to know the entire history of this particular sub-forum.
First the people on here accused me of working for the company which is a lie and then I'm accused of being a previous member which is also a lie. I also don't know the entire history of this forum nor have I claimed to so there you go, another lie. It sounds to me like you're the one who is a troll. I guess anyone here who doesn't act like a toxic jerk to the LRG founders are trolls.
 
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Doug explained that it's not him or LRG making that decision, it's based on another company basically strongarming them into complying with their personal opinion otherwise they won't get the rating logo on their box. He said that he does not personally censor the games. I don't care what you say, but singling out one gender and marginalizing them based on what I'm assuming are the opinions of a few straight dudes at the rating board is completely misogynistic and will get called out especially since this wasn't done in other regions with the same exact game. But yeah, next time I'm having a conversation with Doug I'd appreciate if you would just stay in your lane because he explained it just fine.
Again, this isn't your private forum. You post here and everyone gets to read and comment on it. Also, you quite simply don't understand what it is to marginalize or be marginalized if you believe in any way that altering renderings of women that were designed to overemphasize their breasts and other body parts is misogynistic. The ESRB actually has a very diverse staff and is led by a woman as well as several other women executives. So, no, it's not all about what some white straight males think.

 
 First the people on here accused me of working for the company which is a lie and then I'm accused of being a previous member which is also a lie. I also don't know the entire history of this forum nor have I claimed to so there you go, another lie. It sounds to me like you're the one who is a troll.
You are one deeply sick and deranged person if this isn’t an act. You just outed yourself as a massive pervert.
 
Again, this isn't your private forum.  You post here and everyone gets to read and comment on it.  Also, you quite simply don't understand what it is to marginalize or be marginalized if you believe in any way that altering renderings of women that were designed to overemphasize their breasts and other body parts is misogynistic.  The ESRB actually has a very diverse staff and is led by a woman as well as several other women executives.  So, no, it's not all about what some white straight males think.  
Doug made it clear that he and LRG don't choose to censor games or the covers. It doesn't matter who works for the ESRB if they make decisions that are misogynistic and choose to censor artwork from cultures that are not theirs, which is prejudice.
 
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Good to see this thread is back on track and by on track, I mean way off the rails as usual.

The shocking part is what actually kept it on the rails was LRG Doug posting. Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria, etc.
 
This sounds like something my conservative grandpa would say. I'm assuming you're an older, straight male because you sound exactly like one of the conservatives that wanted to censor heavy metal music back in the 1980's. I am a progressive person so maybe it offends you but I believe in equality and that censorship is wrong. There's all types of women and if you notice in real life some women like to dress sexy, some don't and there's nothing wrong with either opinion. Not to mention you are being disrespectful of other cultures that are not as conservative as western ones are where people wear more revealing outfits on average and no one gets all worked up about it. If you're saying that women are only allowed to be portrayed in one was as a man then yes you are being a misogynist and fascist because you're saying that women should look and act the way you want and that's the only correct way. Yes, the industry does have a problem and it has to do with companies censoring content and fascists trying to decide what is appropriate or not based on their own personal opinions. Not to mention you are going way off topic with your political rants. Make your own topic on this if you still want to debate because this is the LRG thread.
You've seen a woman in real life?!?! I thought they were a myth!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CvTlQSrYY

 
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So much drama over cartoon cleavage on some cover art (and not actual game censorship).   I'm sure cartoon characters everywhere are rejoicing at being stood up for in their representation to the public.  Well at least the female characters showing cleavage.  There's no outrage at all for the tank or the three fully clothed characters that got cut.   I guess they don't deserve representation as they aren't sexy enough.

/s

 
So I received A Boy and His Blob today. My art card came kind of bent. The "instruction manual" is only 1 page folded in half. It just tells you about the companies and controls. It has nice inner box art. But the manual art, the card art, and box art are all the same. I guess they got limited materials to use as promo.

But I heard this game is good so I'm not sobbing.

 
So I received A Boy and His Blob today. My art card came kind of bent. The "instruction manual" is only 1 page folded in half. It just tells you about the companies and controls. It has nice inner box art. But the manual art, the card art, and box art are all the same. I guess they got limited materials to use as promo.

But I heard this game is good so I'm not sobbing.
Yeah they went from manuals with every numbered switch release to cheaping out on the past year. Pretty disappointing shift and even the basic 10 page ones for stuff like windjammers was better than the flip pamphlets you get now. Enjoy the game! It’s pretty charming and I still need to pick it up on steam
 
Just a question since you guys now do book publishing (and I don't think you would respond to the Q on Twitter), any plans to make new guides for old games? Or possibly games you have sold in the past? I'm a big fan of physical strat guides so I was thrilled when you guys started making them.

 
Holy crap.

The order I have been waiting 16 months for got a tracking number AND the carrier has the package.

...There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call... The Limited Run Zone.
 
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Assorted people are reporting the june code for future konami titles isn’t working for the Arcade collection: YMMV here. They did announce a vinyl though which would make the first time Arcade Haunted Castle songs got put on vinyl. https://limitedrungames.com/collections/all-soundtracks/products/arcade-classics-anniversary-collection-lp-vinyl-soundtrack

https://mobile.twitter.com/crypt_tom/status/1591093926089281536 Those keychains from last year’s Turok drops are finally arriving, though pretty small. Pogs look like they turned out OK even if they also took ages.
 
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Looks like Day of the Tentacle PS4 and XBX versions are back (or still?) up for preorder, even though I think the preorder window was supposed to be closed in early Sept.

Thought some folks might want to know in case they missed it!
 
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Took me several days to catch up but Damm was that worth it. My favorite thread.

I'm excited for NGPC vol 2 or any snk stuff really.

Such a shock & treat to see Doug posting on here again.
 
Looking at the javascript a few hrs before the last chance items closed, Radiant Silvergun did pretty well, no surprise: the others didn’t hit MOQ at all though, so the standards will likely get amazon’d due to being distro. (That Kemco PS5 game was under 1K but iirc 1K is MOQ anyhow and they just round up…)

Particularly poor selling was that undead darlings game, especially on PS4: only a few hundred!
 
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Looking at the javascript a few hrs before the last chance items closed, Radiant Silvergun did pretty well, no surprise: the others didn’t hit MOQ at all though, so the standards will likely get amazon’d due to being distro. (That Kemco PS5 game was under 1K but iirc 1K is MOQ anyhow and they just round up…)

Particularly poor selling was that undead darlings game, especially on PS4: only a few hundred!
Rumble Fish 2 already got listing on Target and Amazon for preorder, so that one should be fine.

 
Looking at the javascript a few hrs before the last chance items closed, Radiant Silvergun did pretty well, no surprise: the others didn’t hit MOQ at all though, so the standards will likely get amazon’d due to being distro. (That Kemco PS5 game was under 1K but iirc 1K is MOQ anyhow and they just round up…)

Particularly poor selling was that undead darlings game, especially on PS4: only a few hundred!
Not right, not sure why you still bother when you don't purchase anymore :p

Already explained the code situation!

 
Not right, not sure why you still bother when you don't purchase anymore :p

Already explained the code situation!
Come on, Doug. You're the COO of a multi-million dollar company. Surely you have better things to do during business hours than calling out a current or former customer during for providing data that your company, for whatever reason, decides not to (despite the "salted" version being readily available from your site).

 
Come on, Doug. You're the COO of a multi-million dollar company. Surely you have better things to do during business hours than calling out a current or former customer during for providing data that your company, for whatever reason, decides not to (despite the "salted" version being readily available from your site).
Just trying to set the record straight is all! :D

 
Best Buy too, including the collectors edition.
I am kinda shocked to see the collector's edition there though, considering how the last time one was offered at best buy iirc was the Doom 64 one which a lot of people had come in weird/poor shape due to Best Buy packaging (mine was thankfully unharmed) and I remember on the discord at the time they noted they'd refrain from CEs at Best Buy in the future. Then again, this is a distro so it's clear methods for that are different from numbered releases.

Rumble Fish 2 already got listing on Target and Amazon for preorder, so that one should be fine.
Yeah something not hitting MOQ doesn't mean it's not gonna be made, just that when they round up to it the excess will likely be sent to other retailers or those who placed orders. I noticed things that had lower numbers on the site when it closed that finally started to ship to customers and other stores often end up in more quantity, making getting those games stress free (especially if they reprint them like they note they will with some distros). If Gunbrick hits amazon for instance I don't see that one selling out quickly at all.

Trends I generally notice that match what I've been told and seen from others, independent of what the javascript says is that Switch is still the best platform sale wise, Xbox is a very rocky gamble that hasn't done too hot outside of TMNT/RCG2 (still lower than other platforms in general) and PS4 is lower than ever as more move to PS5 stuff. (which is also why Special Reserve dropped SKUs for PS4 and moved to PS5, a shame since I love my PS4 slim and plan to stick by it, but for niche physicals like these I can see why some just prefer to move on) Kbob wanted to know what was up, so this should give a rough idea even if we obviously won't know the exact # to a T

(though considering someone who follows me is running a daily script check akin to what sonicyogurt here did for the production update page before it broke, I can say that for pretty much every open preorder they've tracked there isn't any number manipulation going on at all, as nothing spikes downward or shoots upward in any weird way. Just imagine a smooth typical incline as more people save money to afford what they want, which also matches how I used to save and buy LRG stuff, usually nabbing an open preorder on the last day)

I personally think if LRG cut back on the distro stuff and stopped overflowing that side of things and focus on more excitable titles like Silvergun and whatever Carbon Engine provides, they'll end up exciting people more rather than having stuff underperform, especially if they fix QC flaws. CEs in general I don't think do much to excite folk due to the extreme waits on them and even on social media and in my friend circles most folks are shifting to the standard edition to wait less.

 
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Hey Doug,

What is the feasibility of LRG obtaining rights to sell physical CD versions of video game soundtracks that don't exist in that format?

Specifically, I would kill for a CD copy of Daughter - "Music From Before the Storm" (OST from Life is Strange: Before the Storm), the Beat Saber soundtrack, each geographical region's multi-disc soundtrack for Genshin Impact, etc.

 
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I am kinda shocked to see the collector's edition there though, considering how the last time one was offered at best buy iirc was the Doom 64 one which a lot of people had come in weird/poor shape due to Best Buy packaging (mine was thankfully unharmed) and I remember on the discord at the time they noted they'd refrain from CEs at Best Buy in the future. Then again, this is a distro so it's clear methods for that are different from numbered releases.

Yeah something not hitting MOQ doesn't mean it's not gonna be made, just that when they round up to it the excess will likely be sent to other retailers or those who placed orders. I noticed things that had lower numbers on the site when it closed that finally started to ship to customers and other stores often end up in more quantity, making getting those games stress free (especially if they reprint them like they note they will with some distros). If Gunbrick hits amazon for instance I don't see that one selling out quickly at all.

Trends I generally notice that match what I've been told and seen from others, independent of what the javascript says is that Switch is still the best platform sale wise, Xbox is a very rocky gamble that hasn't done too hot outside of TMNT/RCG2 (still lower than other platforms in general) and PS4 is lower than ever as more move to PS5 stuff. (which is also why Special Reserve dropped SKUs for PS4 and moved to PS5, a shame since I love my PS4 slim and plan to stick by it, but for niche physicals like these I can see why some just prefer to move on) Kbob wanted to know what was up, so this should give a rough idea even if we obviously won't know the exact # to a T

(though considering someone who follows me is running a daily script check akin to what sonicyogurt here did for the production update page before it broke, I can say that for pretty much every open preorder they've tracked there isn't any number manipulation going on at all, as nothing spikes downward or shoots upward in any weird way. Just imagine a smooth typical incline as more people save money to afford what they want, which also matches how I used to save and buy LRG stuff, usually nabbing an open preorder on the last day)

I personally think if LRG cut back on the distro stuff and stopped overflowing that side of things and focus on more excitable titles like Silvergun and whatever Carbon Engine provides, they'll end up exciting people more rather than having stuff underperform, especially if they fix QC flaws. CEs in general I don't think do much to excite folk due to the extreme waits on them and even on social media and in my friend circles most folks are shifting to the standard edition to wait less.
This is definitely frustrating since I know for a fact you’re wrong since I have the real data, but it won’t matter next year anyway since the code will be locked. 🤷‍♂️

Hey Doug,
What is the feasibility of LRG obtaining rights to sell physical CD versions of video game soundtracks that don't exist in that format?

Specifically, I would kill for a CD copy of Daughter - "Music From Before the Storm" (OST from Life is Strange: Before the Storm), the Beat Saber soundtrack, each geographical region's multi-disc soundtrack for Genshin Impact, etc.
Feasibility is definitely there!

Guess the Best Buy stuff got sorted out, just got release dates of 11/29 on my preorders for Windjammers 2 and Quake.
Yes, we finally got a hold of them and everything is square again for now.
 
The reason some publishers are not printing on PS4 is less to do with folks moving on but with them believing that their games have a better shot at big sales in a far less crowded field.

PS4 game sales, btw, are down but not cratering, and it depends on the sorts of games we're talking about. Also, the notion that Switch sells best for third party titles that are also on XBX and PS4/5 is absolutely NOT the case. I too have data on this and that's just not generally true.
 
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This is definitely frustrating since I know for a fact you’re wrong since I have the real data, but it won’t matter next year anyway since the code will be locked. ‍♂
I mean, if you're intentionally diluting the sales of your products I doubt you're doing so in a manner that would make it seem worse because that would potentially be disparaging to your business partners.

You don't owe us anything when it comes to sales data. But if it's something you're passionate enough to argue with Kbob and Seafoam about, y'know what an easy way to put that argument to bed would be? Releasing the numbers.

While it's not something I'm particularly invested in, I do think it's interesting sheerly from a data and analytics perspective. It seems like sales are down overall, Switch is still doing well, and Xbox didn't really catch on. Though I don't really know that any of that is surprising or contrary to broader, non-limprint game sales.

The reason some publishers are not printing on PS4 is less to do with folks moving on but with them believing that their games have a better shot at big sales in a far less crowded field.
PS5 games are absolutely selling more in the industry. 65% of Forbidden West launch week physical sales were on PS5 and the number was 82% for Ragnarok. You could argue that the trend wouldn't be as prolific for non-AAA titles and you'd probably be right, but people really want games for their shiny new toy it seems.

Anecdotally, in the collecting spaces I frequent, a lot of folks are seeing it as a way to get in on the ground floor of collecting for a console rather than having to hunt down expensive titles like Godzilla on PS4 or Pirate's Curse on Switch.

(Not disagreeing with you, just sharing some interesting data)

 
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The reason some publishers are not printing on PS4 is less to do with folks moving on but with them believing that their games have a better shot at big sales in a far less crowded field.

PS4 game sales, btw, are down but not cratering, and it depends on the sorts of games we're talking about. Also, the notion that Switch sells best for third party titles that are also on XBX and PS4/5 is absolutely NOT the case. I too have data on this and that's just not generally true.
oh yeah in terms of non limprint stuff that's absolutely the case, Switch isn't the best seller most of the time at all, especially in the west. (Switch is the best no contest in Japan though, but then again there's only one handheld and that's what they usually go for...) I mainly mean from a limprint standpoint since I see Strictly Limited, Special Reserve, etc all having switch games sell out before the other SKUs, with PS4 stuff having a lower number made and selling slower.

Though I do think for multiplat stuff that has a PS5 sku, the PS5 ver will usually outsell the PS4 one and that'll keep up as the gen goes on. At the very least it's why SRG didn't put out some PS4 titles, since they skipped PS4 for Gato Robotto, which is a bummer for me since I would have loved the former on PS4 disc. Your general point about a less crowded field is pretty spot on.

 
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I think the hype for Limited Prints in general will die down with a significant looming recession.

While gaming is an evergreen setting, people will save their pennies for cheaper, immediate gratification over releases of $15 indie games at $35+ and two years away.

That's without even being concerned about the constant drumbeat of conflict propaganda with China and Taiwan; if that sparks off, I would anticipate a lot of physical goods are going to be in jeopardy. But I don't think anyone can plan for that; rather, I hope most of the limited print companied have exit strategies involving customer reimbursement (catastrophic insurance?).


The market is getting diluted, more so if you could care less about having an ESRB logo on the box. River City Girls 1&2 will be the litmus test since you can get two games on one cart (hopefully) for less than a single LRG release. People pinching pennies will go for the value over the prestige, I'd bet.

I already do, but I'm a "not normal" collector.
 
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I'm starting the pinching pennies process. I've been informed on my stocks starting to lose value.

Thankfully physical labor will always be needed but my eBay has dropped by 84% compared to last year. Games that would sell in 5 minutes taking days

I like you guys so my best advice is just watch what you're spending and keep track of every finance.
 
I think the hype for Limited Prints in general will die down with a significant looming recession.
Oh I absolutely guarantee you that sales are down at LRG by a substantive amount.

Revenue and value on collectables is down everywhere, some by an astronomical %. A lot of sales and results were bolstered previously for years due to the stay-at-home economy and the irresponsible spending/investing and crypto boom. Ebay sales are SLOW.

 
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I have been getting some better deals on 16 bit Era stuff on ebay. Some of it is back to precoid prices. Auctions are not getting bid up with fewer buyers. I agree it is not the time for frivolous spending, but it has been nice to be priced back in to some things I have wanted for decades.
 
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Oh I absolutely guarantee you that sales are down at LRG by a substantive amount.

Revenue and value on collectables is down everywhere, some by an astronomical %. A lot of sales and results were bolstered previously for years due to the stay-at-home economy and the irresponsible spending/investing and crypto boom. Ebay sales are SLOW.
Legitimately the only thing that is selling less right now is CE's which is why I said we plan to pair down the amount of CE's we do. Customer spending on our normally priced stuff is where it's at every Q4 but CE's are def something we need to work out.

 
I have been getting some better deals on 16 bit Era stuff on ebay. Some of it is back to precoid prices. Auctions are not getting bid up with fewer buyers. I agree it is not the time for frivolous spending, but it has been nice to be priced back in to some things I have wanted for decades.
Seriously: been getting some sweet CIB Genesis deals lately via ebay auction and that’s very fun to see as a new collector on that scene.
 
Legitimately the only thing that is selling less right now is CE's which is why I said we plan to pair down the amount of CE's we do. Customer spending on our normally priced stuff is where it's at every Q4 but CE's are def something we need to work out.
The problem with the CE's was it seemed like every game was getting one, and many of them were lackluster (lots of paper products for example, instead of CD OST, hardcover artbook, steelbook, etc). Glad to hear you are cutting back on them and please only save them for the most promising titles.

Doug, you mentioned Best Buy is now squared away. Is Best Buy still ordering titles from you or is that it for them? Talking about LRG numbered titles and not distro titles. The LRG site listings for the last several months have not said BBY may be carrying the items and I'm not sure if that is because BBY stopped ordering them or you just don't want to give that info in the listing anymore.

 
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The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG.  They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more.  Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars. 

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST.  Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers.  plus shipping.  The value is atrocious. 

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning.  Those were cool, even if a little weak.  Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins.  The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window.  What a waste. 

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist.  Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things.  I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.

 
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I know I'd kill for the option to buy some soundtrack CDs outside the grossly-overpriced CE sets (Day of the Tentacle and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, for instance). Make it happen, Doug, and I'll love you forever!
 
The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG. They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more. Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars.

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST. Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers. plus shipping. The value is atrocious.

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning. Those were cool, even if a little weak. Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins. The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window. What a waste.

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist. Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things. I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.
CEs are where I got hooked as a whale the most, honestly. CDs are too hard to resist and I much would have preferred individual releases, but sometimes there'd be other cool things like box replicas or replica carts and whatnot... Even now some of my fav CEs are the Wonder Boy PS4, BMZ1/2 Combo, Mummy Demastered and Shadows of Adam due to all the fun retro throwbacks and each item feeling lovingly crafted.

Though over time, it definitely took a bigger hit on my wallet than I'd have liked, and stuff such as the SCAT NES CE having a broken song on the track list, (and the cart flat out not working on the AVS, despite there being no reason for it not to as the OG game works fine, so whatever copyright string was edited broke something) the BMZ3 CE having lower quality components (the label on the cart replica was much, much blurrier than BMZ1/2, and i already mentioned my tank ordeal), the Doom CE having a super awesome and well made blue keycard replica, but a horribly blurry replica of the Doom Comic, and stuff like the Rivals of Aether figure not matching the mockup and turning out rather goofy looking makes a lot of newer CEs just feel like "what can we use this license to make merch of" rather than "let's do a kickass fan bundle" that are not worth the wait times or costs especially when components are cheaper and worse

My final LRG order was the Valis 1 CE which has just a few basic things and a OST replica of the Sound Collection A and B, so that should turn out OK, but then I see what Infernax got for a CE and seeing how good the game itself turned out, that CE could have been *so* much more. I'm glad I ultimately stopped buying CEs in general and helped my wallet and the only real CEs I plan to get are for games I'm a super fan of, like the Genesis Valis trilogy on Castlemania (since it comes with a cool standee and restored some content in Genesis Valis III)

 
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The problem with the CE's was it seemed like every game was getting one, and many of them were lackluster (lots of paper products for example, instead of CD OST, hardcover artbook, steelbook, etc). Glad to hear you are cutting back on them and please only save them for the most promising titles.

Doug, you mentioned Best Buy is now squared away. Is Best Buy still ordering titles from you or is that it for them? Talking about LRG numbered titles and not distro titles. The LRG site listings for the last several months have not said BBY may be carrying the items and I'm not sure if that is because BBY stopped ordering them or you just don't want to give that info in the listing anymore.

Numbered stuff won’t return to BBY we might shift that to Amazon.

The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG. They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more. Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars.

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST. Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers. plus shipping. The value is atrocious.

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning. Those were cool, even if a little weak. Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins. The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window. What a waste.

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist. Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things. I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.

What profit margin? CEs are expensive to make and that’s one of the big reasons we want to do fewer.

I know I'd kill for the option to buy some soundtrack CDs outside the grossly-overpriced CE sets (Day of the Tentacle and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, for instance). Make it happen, Doug, and I'll love you forever!

We usually have extras when the games are done shipping. Can’t always guarantee it but definitely hit me up.

CEs are where I got hooked as a whale the most, honestly. CDs are too hard to resist and I much would have preferred individual releases, but sometimes there'd be other cool things like box replicas or replica carts and whatnot... Even now some of my fav CEs are the Wonder Boy PS4, BMZ1/2 Combo, Mummy Demastered and Shadows of Adam due to all the fun retro throwbacks and each item feeling lovingly crafted.

Though over time, it definitely took a bigger hit on my wallet than I'd have liked, and stuff such as the SCAT NES CE having a broken song on the track list, (and the cart flat out not working on the AVS, despite there being no reason for it not to as the OG game works fine, so whatever copyright string was edited broke something) the BMZ3 CE having lower quality components (the label on the cart replica was much, much blurrier than BMZ1/2, and i already mentioned my tank ordeal), the Doom CE having a super awesome and well made blue keycard replica, but a horribly blurry replica of the Doom Comic, and stuff like the Rivals of Aether figure not matching the mockup and turning out rather goofy looking makes a lot of newer CEs just feel like "what can we use this license to make merch of" rather than "let's do a kickass fan bundle" that are not worth the wait times or costs especially when components are cheaper and worse

My final LRG order was the Valis 1 CE which has just a few basic things and a OST replica of the Sound Collection A and B, so that should turn out OK, but then I see what Infernax got for a CE and seeing how good the game itself turned out, that CE could have been *so* much more. I'm glad I ultimately stopped buying CEs in general and helped my wallet and the only real CEs I plan to get are for games I'm a super fan of, like the Genesis Valis trilogy on Castlemania (since it comes with a cool standee and restored some content in Genesis Valis III)
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