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Fuzzmeister said:
I think that's more of an issue with large cross gen games. The Xbox One version is on the disc, but has to do a full download for the Series X version. It's rare that anything ships with a blank disc with just a "key" on it. Call of Duty did that, but it's pretty much digital only at this point anywho. It's even less of an issue with limited release games like we are discussing here.
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Literally every Microsoft-published game that shipped from the Series X launch, “smart delivery” with Xbox One or otherwise, are incomplete on disc.

Halo infinite, Flight Sim, Forza Horizon 5, Starfield, Diablo IV (albeit technically multi-platform but still published by Microsoft now by virtue of buyout), Forza Motorsport.

Forza Motorsport and Diablo IV being the most egregious in that internet/server connection is required even for single player. Those games are glorified drink coasters years down the road when they close the servers.
 
I still maintain a respectable Xbox 360 collection, but everything worth collecting comes out in other platforms or PC, where I use an Xbox controller when a game uses it.

I think the ship is sailed if you're trying to buy physical on Xbox to send messages that it's still a viable market.

The Xbox is near dead in two major markets, the resale value (I'm not a reseller) is incredibly low (only mentioned due to reflecting demand), and even US storefronts are backing out.

Whatever you like about the Xbox platform, it's going to be an all digital future to continue with. Which is what Microsoft signaled they wanted last generation, which begs the question why someone who's into physical collecting would support the company.

But as someone else said, we don't like to point out our little idiosyncrasies around here because it spoils the fun.

Fun is a microtransaction, subscription, or pre-order away these days. Maybe it'll get patched in after release...
 
TheKbob said:
I still maintain a respectable Xbox 360 collection, but everything worth collecting comes out in other platforms or PC, where I use an Xbox controller when a game uses it.
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You know what's funny? I also have a pretty big Xbox 360 collection, but there's two specific reasons for that: it's mostly my husband's games (it's his 360 he had long before we met) and we needed to replace a handful of PS3 games with 360 versions because our PS3 kicked the bucket. I have had several Playstation consoles die on me over the years (a PS1, PS2, PS3, and a PSP with the second on its way out). Meanwhile, that big chungus 360 keeps on running, keeps playing games, and to be fair, it's my husband's second 360, since the first one he got succumbed to the Red Ring of Death, but that was right after launch and the replacement has been fine ever since. So, though I'm not an Xbox person, I can at least respect these consoles for being survivors, and it saddens me to see it abandoned by physical media, even if the all-digital future is inevitable. It's true the resale value for Xbox games is horrendous and so many games can be played elsewhere, but Xbox consoles do keep selling, meaning people still love them, and those people should be allowed to have their physical games.

 
My favorite Persona game...now with a $70 steelbook.

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1715418111103353171

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1715418114903388312

 
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Twilightsparkle said:
Lol, you can now also order a skate deck for it too.

and $55 hoodie and $30 tshirt.

Are people really buying these?
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I saw the merch, it's so lazy. But I hate myself for seeing that $200 edition and thinking, "Ooh, those glasses would go well with my Persona 5 Royal Joker mask!" Must resist.

 
Some people would say, "Nothing, why do you only complain about LRG all the time? Why even post in here? just don't buy any of their products then."

Well Timmy, that's because LRG is ruining collector's editions that could have possibly been picked up by other publishers.  There is no value added when they charge and arm and a leg for the nice edition.  Or $70 for a standard deluxe edition of a $20 digital game. 

The kinds of things we buy on Amazon for ~$40.  Before they get price reduced. 

It is profit gouging the fans, it makes additional collector releases more unlikely, as well as making other comparatively cheaper published standard editions even more likely.

 
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I hate to say I kind of want that P4G Nitro Deck. I kind of dislike my Split Pad Pro and have been looking at these. This is kind of cool and reminds me of my 3DS pouch for the Persona Q game. Anyone have a Nitro Deck and think it's worth the money?

 
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Some people would say, "Nothing, why do you only complain about LRG all the time? Why even post in here? just don't buy any of their products then."

Well Timmy, that's because LRG is ruining collector's editions that could have possibly been picked up by other publishers. There is no value added when they charge and arm and a leg for the nice edition. Or $70 for a standard deluxe edition of a $20 digital game.

The kinds of things we buy on Amazon for ~$40. Before they get price reduced.

It is profit gouging the fans, it makes additional collector releases more unlikely, as well as making other comparatively cheaper published standard editions even more likely.
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And it's showing big gaming companies that they can just outsource their physical and limited editions to other companies instead of making them themselves. There is no reason why a company like Atlus, who is owned by fucking Sega, should be using LRG to print their physical copies. It's like when Square Enix releases the PC versions of their games exclusively to the Epic store. Yeah, that tiny, family company Square Enix really needed that Tim Sweeney money to be able to afford to port their game!

 
nitrosmob said:
I hate to say I kind of want that P4 Nitrodeck. I kind of dislike my Split Pad Pro and have been looking at these. This is kind of cool and reminds me of my 3DS pouch for the Persona Q game. Anyone have a Nitrodeck and think it's worth the money?
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There are lots of reviews for them online. The only reason Limited Run is pushing these so much is because Embracer owns the company that makes them. I watched this review yesterday. I thought it was very informative. They do have Hall Effect joysticks to my knowledge. I bought a cheap NYXI controller with hall effect sticks for my switch for $25 on amazon instead.

 
super1upqueen said:
And it's showing big gaming companies that they can just outsource their physical and limited editions to other companies instead of making them themselves. There is no reason why a company like Atlus, who is owned by fucking Sega, should be using LRG to print their physical copies. It's like when Square Enix releases the PC versions of their games exclusively to the Epic store. Yeah, that tiny, family company Square Enix really needed that Tim Sweeney money to be able to afford to port their game!
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There is a reason they allowed LRG to print these. They saw no profit to be made. They did not see enough demand for them to even release a physical in Japan. This way they get guaranteed money and no risk.

 
Twilightsparkle said:
There is a reason they allowed LRG to print these. They saw no profit to be made. They did not see enough demand for them to even release a physical in Japan. This way they get guaranteed money and no risk.
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I think this is the more realistic take. I dont think publishers are seeing LRG as a way to outsource physical printing because they can't, it's that they don't want to print physical at all anymore. It's just not worth the hassle. So, if they can do it with no risk and no capital investment from LRG, they'll happily take the collectors market they would have otherwise ignored.

Keep in mind that all the big Sony first party collector's editions come with a download code and not a physical disc.

 
skyborgman said:
I think this is the more realistic take. I dont think publishers are seeing LRG as a way to outsource physical printing because they can't, it's that they don't want to print physical at all anymore. It's just not worth the hassle. So, if they can do it with no risk and no capital investment from LRG, they'll happily take the collectors market they would have otherwise ignored.

Keep in mind that all the big Sony first party collector's editions come with a download code and not a physical disc.
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Agreed. All the available data show that physical sales generally comprise only a quarter of video game sales ... and falling.

That trajectory is not changing and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point since it's resulting in more and more publishers not even releasing discs/carts which just skews the data moreso.

It'd be nice if someone other than LRG step into this to be the Kino Lorber or Shout equivalent in videogames but this industry is very different from music CDs and movies/tvs because you have distinct platform owners publishers have to go through, not to mention all the fixes, post-updates/dlc that music/film publushers don't have to deal with. Most of the time, it's Criterion and Kino Lorber that are making new content to help sell the movie release they've licensed.

And those platform holders look to be eying wiping out the player from their machines ... at that point, what are companies like LRG even making? They can keep printing for retro consoles, but that is a niche of a niche market ... and you think the physical premium is high now?

This probably explains why you're not seeing any other company much interested in throwing a big hat in the ring to be as "big" as LRG.

It's a lost cause now. Physical media will stick around for games but I'm expecting to be priced out soon, and there are so few physical games coming in these new generations that it seems the release calendar will have less and less that I'm even interested in.
 
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skyborgman said:
I think this is the more realistic take. I dont think publishers are seeing LRG as a way to outsource physical printing because they can't, it's that they don't want to print physical at all anymore. It's just not worth the hassle. So, if they can do it with no risk and no capital investment from LRG, they'll happily take the collectors market they would have otherwise ignored.

Keep in mind that all the big Sony first party collector's editions come with a download code and not a physical disc.
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The Sony example is because there's two different PS5 consoles: one with a disc drive and one without it. They're not going to include a physical copy that can't be used by the digital console owners, and they absolutely won't make two different collector's editions, so they include a code that can be used by both consoles.

As far as the larger game companies are concerned, I understand that it's lack of motivation and not inability to print physical games, but I don't accept that as a valid excuse. I can understand these companies feeling a big collector's edition could lose them money (despite the one for Persona 3 Reload, a game that's been getting mixed reception, selling pretty well), but simply releasing a standard, physical edition isn't something I believe should be a premium, especially for something as well-known and beloved as Persona. LRG serves its purpose for games that would never otherwise get physical copies, indie games from tiny companies, so seeing major publishers and developers use them to print their physical games just seems unnecessary to me. However, I understand the all-digital future is coming and most game companies are happy passing this risk onto other publishers and my aversion to it certainly reads as an old man yelling at a cloud. I just always believed the intention of LRG and similar companies was to create physical copies for games that had no chance of receiving them, not to be outsource machines for giant publishers.

 
The purpose of LRG is to separate rubes from their money. I say that as someone who bought the first 15-20 releases they had and luckily cut the cord after that.
 
beenaround said:
The purpose of LRG is to separate rubes from their money. I say that as someone who bought the first 15-20 releases they had and luckily cut the cord after that.
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For me, I'll buy an LRG I'm interested in but only through other retailers. Not preordering anything anymore. Not worth it. If I'm still interested and there is no official retail, I'll just pay a little more on ebay. I buy to play so don't care if sealed.
 
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How are the new Atari hardware launch sales hmmm? Now that they're online-only, with no real world physical presence.

I feel like we've entered crazy land now that people are paying $229.99 for a Lego display of an Atari 2600 instead of buying one of the actual machines.

Mattiful-Joe said:
Agreed. All the available data show that physical sales generally comprise only a quarter of video game sales ... and falling.

That trajectory is not changing and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point since it's resulting in more and more publishers not even releasing discs/carts which just skews the data moreso.
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Cool. Then my games are going to be worth more than ever. Same with the 4K disc collection.

But not the ones I overpaid for. Those are pointless unless you're buying them purely for display and sentimental value.

 
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I already have P4G on Vita and Steam,... if the prices were right, I'd consider a Switch copy, too.  But $70 for a Steelbook is too rich for me.

The hoodie is the biggest disappointment.  If that thing was rip-roaring yellow, like the games cover art, I would totally be down for it at $55.  But a black generic hoodie with just the logo is lazy. 

 
Twilightsparkle said:
I think a lot of people forget that many games back then could be super frustrating and have wonky hit boxes and controls. It plays like it always did. Too many people have rose tinted glasses about old games.
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Inferring that LRG games get played, and not kept on a shelf in cellophane.

Tsk tsk.
 
I'm honest I think I've opened like 2 of my LRG games haha. One is One Way Heroics for the Vita. I don't have as many anymore as by the time I get them, I likely already got the game heavily discounted on digital and maybe played it. I don't really buy from LRG anymore, and many of those games have been sold on Ebay for now.

 
Nothing- said:
Cool. Then my games are going to be worth more than ever. Same with the 4K disc collection.

But not the ones I overpaid for. Those are pointless unless you're buying them purely for display and sentimental value.
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In earnest, not for a second do I think any of the stuff we're buying will be worth anything significant. I expect this stuff to tank in value in the future given young folks nowadays seem to have zero interest in owning anything, nor do they even understand why that matters.
 
I can't believe I've had an order saying Ready to ship for like 3 months now. Night in the Woods and Return to Monkey Island for PS. This kind of thing is why I have barely bought anything from them anymore

 
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Mattiful-Joe said:
In earnest, not for a second do I think any of the stuff we're buying will be worth anything significant. I expect this stuff to tank in value in the future given young folks nowadays seem to have zero interest in owning anything, nor do they even understand why that matters.
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I'm actually curious what happens going forward... I'm sure nostalgia hits every generation but like, for the digital generation, what are they going to be nostalgic for? I agree they do not care for physical media but it's also odd that things like Vinyl, VHS and CDs are collectable.

 
Vinny said:
I'm actually curious what happens going forward... I'm sure nostalgia hits every generation but like, for the digital generation, what are they going to be nostalgic for? I agree they do not care for physical media but it's also odd that things like Vinyl, VHS and CDs are collectable.
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This may not apply to our conversation, but I had an old Sony Cybershot digital camera and wanted to sell it on ebay, but didn't think it was worth much. So I googled if people had interest in old digital cameras and found tons of articles about how Gen Z is all about the digital cameras Gen X and Y used to use, I guess because they're real cameras and not camera phones, and they appreciate more authentic-looking photos. And, Sony made some great cameras back in the day and mine still took great shots. I ended up selling it for around $95, with its memory cards, charger, and software.

Young people have grown up in a digital world, so they gravitate toward things that seem more authentic and real, like vinyl records, VHS tapes, and old cameras. They're basically going to become nostalgic for things they didn't even have, for lives they didn't live, without social media and on-demand digital goods, to experience a more "authentic" life. In a way, most generations pine for the "simpler times" of their parents' generation, even if they appreciate the advanced lives they currently live.

 
VHS tapes should be for no one outside of shelf trophies.

They're arguably the worst version of a film (unless it exists in no other format, including the high seas) and magnetic media is the most prone to degradation.

They're cool, and I'd put a few choice ones on the shelf, but if you're wanting vintage movies, either get laser disc or go DVD.
 
Vinny said:
I'm actually curious what happens going forward... I'm sure nostalgia hits every generation but like, for the digital generation, what are they going to be nostalgic for? I agree they do not care for physical media but it's also odd that things like Vinyl, VHS and CDs are collectable.
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A lot of domestic/international music album sales are being singularly driven by K-pop, and if you know anything about what those publishers are doing, you know that those purchases have little/nothing to do with the CD that's in them. It's all about the photo books/photo cards and bonus materials. Fans will buy 20 copies of the same album to get their hands on photo cards, which btw, are heavily traded/sold by fans on social media marketplaces. In the last few years, those exclusive extras are now being tied to vinyl releases.

All of this is to say that the surge in album sales does not appear to have much to do at all with the actual discs. These are generations that still listen to their music digitally. It's not like you're seeing an equivalent surge in CD/vinyl players. Fans see the album as just another merchandise extension of their favorite artists.

It's just a very different narrative/situation for video games so I don't think looking at those sales mean much of anything for games. With the exception of may be Hideo Kojima, few video games are purchased as a merchandise extension of their creator. Video games are the experience themselves, versus music albums with are an extension of the singer and his/her/their live performances (which are the actual experiences their fans want to be part of).

Also, it has to be mentioned that the consumer base for music far/away exceeds that of videogames. Music is not trapped by platform holders, exclusive to consoles, don't rely on patches/updates, and don't cost $70+ at release.

 
Anyone order Gargoyles? I remembered liking the game in my youth, but went back and watched gameplay and forgot how mediocre and frustrating that game was. Thought about it for nostalgia, but kinda torn.

 
ShadowAssassin said:
Anyone order Gargoyles? I remembered liking the game in my youth, but went back and watched gameplay and forgot how mediocre and frustrating that game was. Thought about it for nostalgia, but kinda torn.
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I did, without having played the original back then. I just love anything 16-bit, the new visuals look cool to me, and the rewind feature will make any unfairness in game design bearable.

 
ShadowAssassin said:
Anyone order Gargoyles? I remembered liking the game in my youth, but went back and watched gameplay and forgot how mediocre and frustrating that game was. Thought about it for nostalgia, but kinda torn.
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I’ve been waiting till the “last chance” with anything I order from them now but I forgot to order it yesterday. I realized it this morning when I woke up so I checked and it’s still up.

I then read a couple reviews and it seems like $15 for the digital is pushing it in terms of value, an extra $20 on top of that (well, really $25 with shipping) just seems like a lot to ask for a slightly prettier port with a rewind feature.

I’m also not entirely convinced this won’t someday get bundled up with some other game for a physical retail release.
 
super1upqueen said:
This may not apply to our conversation, but I had an old Sony Cybershot digital camera ...
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Earlier this year my youngest son asked me about digital cameras and what I had. Between myself and all the relatives I told him to also ask since most of these cameras were just in a closet or something never to be used again, he ended up with several options. He was more interested in a certain time period... like more interested in an 8 megapixel camera than a 10.1 megapixel. He also bought a vintage polaroid instant camera.

I think for the coming generations, physical games are mostly not going to be bought in great part due to the price of entry and the incompleteness of games on media. Probably the systems that will get attention would be maybe Wii as the last system with a large library and games complete on disc (plus the game prices are mostly not bad). And possibly the PS3 as I believe most games are functional from the disc without updates. But most everything older has just gotten too pricey.

 
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People have been crying that the sky is falling and "omg physical media is dying !!" for over ten years now.  In the meantime, stuff has only gotten cooler. 

 
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People have been crying that the sky is falling and "omg physical media is dying !!" for over ten years now. In the meantime, stuff has only gotten cooler.
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I don't think the sky is falling yet, in fact right now is a pretty great time to be into physical games. But it's hard to look at console game sales as 72% being digital and 28% being physical for 2022 (and this isn't including mobile or pc gaming or it would be 90% digital) as well as visit stores that sell physical games and not see the change over the past 10 years. Plus the number of stores that have closed has grown. Even GameStop scaled back on stores. Really right now we have Best Buy, Walmart, Target, GameStop, ... and I think that's about it other than some membership driven stores that have games. Most sales of physical have moved to online shopping. Console manufacturers pushing an all digital version and a version with a physical drive is also a sign of changes and the (questionable) rumor is that Nintendo will be offering a similar digital only option next gen along side one with a cart slot.

It's hard not to see changes happening, though I don't think anyone needs to panic... just be aware of the change and all the hoops we will have to get comfortable jumping through for some games. This, most evident, when ports of well known games (like the persona games) are reduced down to just an over extended LRG instead of the publisher handling them in house as they were doing.

But the secondary market for physical seems pretty strong. So it's not like things aren't valued, but just the numbers of current active gamers buying physical new releases are shrinking which changes as those digital only gamers get old what they are going to be nostaligic for. I can imagine a lot of these gamers are going to be fine just emulating. There will always be collectors though... I won't be around to see how that is because of just getting old.

Times change. I personally will be keeping physical games around and will primarily purchase physical... but I could see next gen the numbers continuing to shrink and for some platforms they may go all digital. Much like PC is mostly digital now.

 
I expect physical games to be more or less gone entirely in 2 generations. LRG cant exist if the hardware doesnt have a physical media slot. I do think that compared to movies and music, old games are ported to future hardware at an astonishingly low rate. This will provide a tailwind to demand for legacy hardware. 

 
It seems crazy but remember at one point PC gaming was all about physical media. Many cases nowadays and even some laptops no longer have CD/DVD/Bluray drives and no slot for them at all.

I feel physical will dwindle highly the next generation. Niche games will likely still keep getting physical media even when digital is stronger. Physical areas for games in store is already going down especially at places like Best Buy and Walmart.

For now though this generation we'll be fine.

 
I have no idea why people always find this to be a profound conversation.  

I guess that I spend way more time on blu-ray.com than other people.  It's been a constant talking point for like the last six years.  Some guy comes by and posts that "physical media is dying, gusy" and he seems to think that it's a profound statement.

It's like Groundhog Day on my discussion forums.  It's every. single. day.

Meanwhile we get more boutique and deluxe collectors items, with or without the game, than ever before.  Like stuff they sell on Fangamer.  Or EU / JP Amazon game shop imports. International, streamlined shipping brings stuff straight to your doorstep, for almost no cost.  While all of this console media is region-free now.  The toys I buy right now are cooler than anything else I've ever seen at mass market. 

People struggle with this stuff bc they don't have magazine ads or mainstream media publications which clearly define and directly tell them which collector items or hardware they should want to buy anymore. There's hardly that singular agreed-upon collector game SKU anymore.   I think that half of it is that people just spend so much money on digital bullshit subscriptions and memberships they are not able to buy the nice physical items that they'd like to own.

Not much reaches the status of 'cultural zeitgeist' anymore.  Even when it does, people often play those games alone and discuss it by themselves.  It's a lonely world out there.  Smart phones have made everyone boring and stupid. 

 
Meanwhile I've got all sorts of crazy other fan shit to buy.  Like the newly launched Atari 2600+ which actually plays old carts.  Or those 4K upscaling sticks and devices that hook up into your HDMI and make all your retro consoles look amazing.  There are new fightsticks and crazy Skuf controllers that I can't even afford.  Several insane hardcover masterpieces from Bitmapbooks.  Lowbrow artist prints and incredible wall art.  Shit man, Target even has some of the nicest Super Mario Bros. hard, defined stuffed animals I have ever seen like Bowser and Donkey Kong.  They have this giant stuffed Pikachu 24" Squishmallow for $49.99 right now; it's incredibly soft to the touch.  All the Anime in the UK is making some of the nicest chipboard collector sets ever created.  Hasbro is putting out FACE PRINTING TECHNOLOGY Star Wars Black Series figures now, as well as '97 / retro VHS / and retro blister carded X-men and you can buy the fucking arcade cabinet again. 

and people are like "physical game stuff is dying".  That's what we're gonna focus on: other people buying less of this stuff.

No, the only thing that has died is your interest in gaming.  Prolly were never much of a core gamer, otaku to begin with.  The rest of us are salivating over cool collectors items on Play-Asia or at HotToys.  We have modded console minis and multiple portable systems.  There are absurdly affordable Nintendo Switch deluxe editions to import 2+/year.  But it's all "doom & gloom" from types whom think that other people are the negative or unrealistic ones.  

 
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Meanwhile I've got all sorts of crazy other fan shit to buy. Like the newly launched Atari 2600+ which actually plays old carts. Or those 4K upscaling sticks and devices that hook up into your HDMI and make all your retro consoles look amazing. There are new fightsticks and crazy Skuf controllers that I can't even afford. Several insane hardcover masterpieces from Bitmapbooks. Lowbrow artist prints and incredible wall art. Shit man, Target even has some of the nicest Super Mario Bros. hard, defined stuffed animals I have ever seen like Bowser and Donkey Kong. They have this giant stuffed Pikachu 24" Squishmallow for $49.99 right now; it's incredibly soft to the touch. All the Anime in the UK is making some of the nicest chipboard collector sets ever created. Hasbro is putting out FACE PRINTING TECHNOLOGY Star Wars Black Series figures now, as well as '97 / retro VHS / and retro blister carded X-men and you can buy the fucking arcade cabinet again.

and people are like "physical game stuff is dying". That's what we're gonna focus on: other people buying less of this stuff.

No, the only thing that has died is your interest in gaming. Prolly were never much of a core gamer, otaku to begin with. The rest of us are salivating over cool collectors items on Play-Asia or at HotToys. We have modded console minis and multiple portable systems. There are absurdly affordable Nintendo Switch deluxe editions to import 2+/year. But it's all "doom & gloom" from types whom think that other people are the negative or unrealistic ones.
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Nobody is saying "physical game stuff is dying". Most people don't want a house full of crap like you have described above and none of what you have described above has anything to do with whether or not physical games are dying.

 
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Nobody is saying "physical game stuff is dying". Most people don't want a house full of crap like you have described above and none of what you have described above has anything to do with whether or not physical games are dying.
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You've been on the block list for 10 years.

Though I'm sure you are quite pleased with the cherry you've picked, your personality here has zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's why you never have a single friendly or interesting thing to say in any normal circumstance.

You could disappear tomorrow and all that would be missing would be snide replies made in unkind.

Most people don't want a house full of LRG crap you collect either. Those aren't physical games anyways if you don't open or play them; they are just boxes. Tho I have no doubt you will struggle having any nuance understanding that as well.

 
I'm at midlife.  Late January and I'm 50.  I've been through enough with other family members to see an excessive collection and what happens to that excess in death.  I can go into details of what happened with my uncle's huge train set.. but I think y'all can imagine if I say no one kept it.  Everyone in my family has excessive (and mostly unique) collections and I don't poke at them for it... but my gosh I don't want a huge collection and I don't want to deal with their stuff either.   When I go (hopefully this really is midlife and I've got another 50), I really just want to leave behind common stuff that who cares what happens to most of it and maybe a couple medium size boxes of games that maybe one of my kids or maybe if they have kids... one of them will want.  Or maybe I'll have already given most of the stuff to them and sold off the excess and only have a few dozen titles I care the most for.

But that's me and where I'm at in life.  Like with my preorder at BB for Zelda TotK.  I just wanted the game.  They later added on some art print for the game.  When it came in, I thought about it for about two seconds and reminded myself of all the other random gaming items I saved over the decades only to rarely ever look at ... and then I offered it to my kids and one of them wanted it.  20 years ago... hell probably 10 years ago, I couldn't have fathomed giving stuff like that away.

 
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