2009 MLB Discussion Thread

Here's hoping they destroy (or at least beat) the Phils.

Hate the yanks too, but it's a lesser of two evils thing here for me.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Phillies/Yankees World Series.....could be the worst thing ever for a Met fan.[/QUOTE]

I feel ya on that. I dont hate the Yanks at all but just knowing i have to deal with the type of yankee fan that only knows jeter and no one else on the team...to rag it in my face..is going to suck. It will be a great series because the match ups are just so close to each other. Phils better hope Hamels gets his junk straight or else chalk him up for an auto loss. Interested to see Lee vs Sabathia. team-mates now pitching against each other on the biggest stage. should be slobber knocker.

the icing on the cake to our nightmare season is the Phillies winning it all. would at least like the chip to stay in NY.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']Haha, at least you have the Jets! :)[/QUOTE]

Dom is a niners fan
 
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When I hate both teams in the WS, I auto default root for the NL because of the crap DH rule. Would be nice to see ARod cry after a loss.

Oh Steve Phillips. Mets nation continues feeling proud. Way to bang the help dude.
 
[quote name='speedracer']

Oh Steve Phillips. Mets nation continues feeling proud. Way to bang the help dude.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm:

just more news to help us Mets fans get through this nightmare of a season. :bomb:
 
[quote name='JStryke']Here's hoping they destroy (or at least beat) the Phils.

Hate the yanks too, but it's a lesser of two evils thing here for me.[/QUOTE]

Other way for me. Yanks easily my most hated team in all of sports.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']I feel ya on that. I dont hate the Yanks at all but just knowing i have to deal with the type of yankee fan that only knows jeter and no one else on the team...to rag it in my face..is going to suck. It will be a great series because the match ups are just so close to each other. Phils better hope Hamels gets his junk straight or else chalk him up for an auto loss. Interested to see Lee vs Sabathia. team-mates now pitching against each other on the biggest stage. should be slobber knocker.

the icing on the cake to our nightmare season is the Phillies winning it all. would at least like the chip to stay in NY.



Dom is a niners fan[/QUOTE]

I really am torn at who to root for. I hate both teams equally. The main reason I hate the Yankees is about 95% of their fan base comes out around the ALCS. I respect the real fans but the ones like you said, who only know Jeter just annoy the crap out of me.

I think it will be a good series though.

Oh yeah and I have been a Niners fan since I was little since my Uncle worked for the team. Only not local team I do root for. I hate the Jets and Giants as well haha.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Other way for me. Yanks easily my most hated team in all of sports.[/QUOTE]

Ditto, but that's pretty much a given for any Red Sox fan.

Really I'm just hoping the Phillies win so I don't need to put up with Yankees fans' boasting for the next year.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Ditto, but that's pretty much a given for any Red Sox fan.

Really I'm just hoping the Phillies win so I don't need to put up with Yankees fans' boasting for the next year.[/QUOTE]

Yes, because Red Sox fans did none of that in 2004 or 2007...
 
[quote name='bvharris']Ditto, but that's pretty much a given for any Red Sox fan.

Really I'm just hoping the Phillies win so I don't need to put up with Yankees fans' boasting for the next year.[/QUOTE]


When was the last time the Roid Sox won a legit championship?

Pre WW1. 1918
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yes, because Red Sox fans did none of that in 2004 or 2007...[/QUOTE]


2004 and 2007 have been eliminated from history. Bunch of cheaters on the Roid Sox.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']2004 and 2007 have been eliminated from history. Bunch of cheaters on the Roid Sox.[/QUOTE]

Yeah because nobody on the Yankees were taking steroids....
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah because nobody on the Yankees were taking steroids....[/QUOTE]
The last Yankees championship team (2000) certainly could not have included known steroid and HGH users such as Chuck Knoblauch, Jose Canseco, David Justice, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Jim Leyritz, Jason Grimsley, Doc Gooden, Mike Stanton, Denny Neagle, and Glenallen Hill.

Who started for the Yankees last night again? Andy who? I'm sure he's never, you know, asked his father to stick a needle full of drugs into his ass or anything.
 
Any fan is going to be a hypocrite for bashing another for steroids. It was rampant and we'll never no the extent of it--and people on most teams were using them so teams didn't really have an advantage anyway since it was one roid filled team vs. another.
 
Every team since at least the mid 80s is suspect. Even Babe Ruth tried injecting himself with sheep testosterone.

We have to be satisfied with knowing that they're not as commonplace as they were, limited to marginal players who don't care if they get caught and the few with the money and access to high end, undetectable substances like Bonds and Giambi.
 
Yeah, come on guys. Let's not do the steroid thing AGAIN. Every team had at least a few top players doing it. That has been proven to be freaking fact at this point. I suspected this for years, and have said that in a twisted way, it makes the whole argument irrelevent because all the players doing it just cancel each other out. Roger Clemens on roids pitching to Manny Ramirez on roids. Who the fuck cares???

My main point about the 2004 and 2007 Sox titles is that every team's fans get bloated egos when their team performs well. It's understandable for Sox fans to not want the Yanks to win this year. But you guys have been on a ridiculous high for the past 5 years. It's about time that shit finally stopped. I was on freaking pins and needles going into last night's game up 3-2 in the series (which most people would consider a comfortable lead) because of 2004. I'm still getting that taste out of my mouth.
 
Summing things up for tonight's game thus far:

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Lee has been absolutely dominate.

Barring a bottom of the 9th collapse, huge win for the Phillies to take game 1 on the road and get a win over Sabathia.
 
Incredible game, I'm loving every second of it. That play Lee made behind his back was just great. And that pop up had me rolling, that was hilarious.
 
Huge game 2 tomorrow. Virtual must win for Yankees. Only 3 teams have lost the first 2 games at home and gone on to win (85 Royals, 86 Mets, 96 Yankees).
 
[quote name='JStryke']Damn phillies. Didn't expect to beat Cliff Lee, but still. Yankees NEED to win tomorrow (also need to win the WS).[/QUOTE]

If you didn't expect your horse to win tonight then you pretty much have thrown in the towel.
 
Awesome game. Pedro is either gonna bomb out tomorrow or pour his soul into tomorrow's game. I'm going with the later as he won himself a contract to be on the Phillies. He's not going to disappoint. It's not the same Pedro as with the Mets, this guy is on fire.
 
Well, here's the thing: AJ needs to get his shit together and pitch like he's capable tomorrow. I'm not happy wasting a pretty good performance by Sabathia tonight (7 IP, 2 ER). If Burnett comes out and shits the bed, but the Yankees are able to hit Pedro (which I expect), but still lose 7-6, I'm going to be pissed. It almost would have made more sense to pitch AJ tonight, hope he got lucky against Lee. And then have Sabathia to fall back on tomorrow. But hey, that's baseball.

Other than the Yankee bullpen looking like shit, there's really not much you can be upset about. Babe Ruth wouldn't have hit Cliff Lee tonight. He was doing whatever he wanted with the ball. Jeter seemed to have the right idea by being aggressive, but Lee had so much movement on his pitches, hardly anybody else could make solid contact.

Pedro WILL NOT pitch like Cliff Lee. The only question is who's going to pitch tomorrow night for the Yankees: Dr. Jekyll...or Mr. Hyde. Frankly, I'm not comfortable with the thought of the Yankees' season riding on AJ. But this is when he needs to earn his paycheck.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Awesome game. Pedro is either gonna bomb out tomorrow or pour his soul into tomorrow's game. I'm going with the later as he won himself a contract to be on the Phillies. He's not going to disappoint. It's not the same Pedro as with the Mets, this guy is on fire.[/QUOTE]

He has a chip on his shoulder. I think he erases his "Yankees are my daddy" comment and owns them. Or atleast I hope so.

The Yankees go to Philly down 0-2, then its going to be over in 5. I see Hamels getting rocked by that lineup.
 
Also, I gotta say, tonight seemed to just be one of those games the Yankees weren't going to win under any circumstance. On top of Lee's complete and utter dominance, the bounces were just going the Phillies way. They had a few hits down the outfield lines that were just fair. They had that swinging bunt that Rollins hit that A-Rod just looked at like "Are you fucking kidding me???". And then Lee's behind the back snare that was just ridiculous. The Yanks just have to remember that tomorrow is a new game and the score starts at 0-0. Forget tonight as quickly as possible.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']If you didn't expect your horse to win tonight then you pretty much have thrown in the towel.[/QUOTE]

He's not my horse (being a Braves fan), I'm just rooting for the Yanks as I despise the Phillies with the fiery burning of a thousand suns.

Seriously though, Sabathia wasn't bad. 7 innings, 2 runs. I'll take that every time. The problem is, Lee is fucking insane. Expecting to beat him, no matter who you throw out there is wishful thinking IMO.
 
I've not seen many Braves fans have that ire for the Phillies.

I have more for the Yankees both from being the Yankees and losing twice in the Series to them.

The Mets are the only divisional opponents I truly hate--and the Dodgers and Giants from back when the Braves were in the NL west prior to realignment.
 
That's why I also hate the Yankees. But Phillies is just because my dad is such a die hard for them, and last year when they won the World Series, it was a LONG winter (but I think I said that already).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I've not seen many Braves fans have that ire for the Phillies.

I have more for the Yankees both from being the Yankees and losing twice in the Series to them.

The Mets are the only divisional opponents I truly hate--and the Dodgers and Giants from back when the Braves were in the NL west prior to realignment.[/QUOTE]


dude the whole division hates us :D

but no need to hate us anymore. We will be wallowing in mediocrity for years to come since Omar Phillips has set us back another 5 years with his brilliance dealing with the farm system and giving old men like Luis Castillo bloated contract or even people who cant find them self in Oliver Perez....atleast the braves,Marlins, Phillies, and even the natties with strausburg all have something to look forward too. I am still trying to find out what there is too look forward to next season. i do see this team making some moves..but none to really impact the roster. for the record i doubt the the mets get any big names like lackey,figgins,holliday,hawpe,etc.
 
[quote name='JStryke']That's why I also hate the Yankees. But Phillies is just because my dad is such a die hard for them, and last year when they won the World Series, it was a LONG winter (but I think I said that already).[/QUOTE]

Why bother watching the World Series in hopes the team you hate loses? I hate the Yankees, but if they were playing the Dodgers, I wouldn't waste my time watching it just to hope the Yankees will lose.
 
That's the way sports are for fans who like watching the playoffs etc. even if their teams aren't in it.

If there's not a team in it you like, watch too root against the one you hate the most. :D

That said, I'll just watch bits and pieces as I'm not a huge baseball fan. Have a hard time sitting down and watching even a whole Braves game. But I like the series so I put it on in the back ground, try to catch the last couple innings etc.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']but no need to hate us anymore..[/QUOTE]
Well I like the Mets, only team I care for in that whole division. :lol:
 
I'm really looking forward to this game, Pedro vs the Yankees. I remember his 1 hit, 17 strikeout performance against them in the 99 ALCS like it was yesterday. He probably considers this the most important start of his life.

Unfortunately I'll be at the Bruins game tonight but I'll certainly be able to watch the last 3 or 4 innings in the train station's bar. They showed a lot of highlights at the Celtics game last night so I think they'll do the same tonight.
 
Obviously it's still early, but I'll tell ya, if the Phillies end up winning this game, and subsequently, this Series, it's just a magical time for them. Baseball is such a crazy sport because no matter how talented your team is or how "favored" you are, it never matters.

The games are decided by bounces of fate. That double by Ibanez was about as close as you can get to being a foul ball. Then, one batter later, Matt Stairs of all freaking people hits one that handcuffs A-Rod, and the Phillies score. Same stuff happened for the Yanks back in the 90's. Sometimes, teams are just meant to win.
 
It still blows my mind that Cliff Lee got sent down to the minors, what, 2 years ago? I'm sure it's been mentioned already recently, but that kind of comeback really is remarkable to me.
 
These umpires suck. Not that they definitely blew the game for the Phils, but they're making terrible calls on both sides. I don't even understand the strike zone, its expanded so damn much.

I had hope going into that 9th inning but knew it was definitely over when it was up to Stairs, he's pretty horrible.
 
Wow, if there's not extended instant replay after this season, I'll be shocked. The call on the ball Howard trapped in the bottom of the 7th is without question the worst call of the postseason. Don't get me wrong, I think other bad calls have been more blatant, but that one had a HUGE impact on the inning. Instead of being bases loaded with one out, and the Yankeed #3 hitter, who already homered in the game, coming up...it was inning over. That easily took one or two runs off the board (maybe more).

Of course, the very next inning, the umps gave the Yanks a make up call on that grounder hit by Utley. I knew that was coming. I said "if it's close, they're calling him out". And they did. To me, it was a well deserved make up call, but I'd still rather have the right calls made the first time around. I don't even blame the umps for not being able to tell that Howard didn't catch the ball. But Fox had a replay with a decisive ruling within 15 seconds. How can MLB NOT use that to their advantage?

In my opinion, the umpiring crew needs to be expanded with the "crew chief" not even being on the field. Put him up in his own booth with access to Fox's video feed (audio not even necessary). Even if you only give the managers a couple challenge flags each game, it wouldn't take long at all to review a call. Thankfully the umps were yet again bailed out (partially through their own doing), and the call didn't affect the outcome of the game.

Despite those calls, it was a hell of a game. AJ stepped up BIGTIME and pitched like a pitcher deserving of his contract. Game 3 is going to be intense with Hamels vs Pettitte. I just hope A-Rod can scale back and stop trying to do too much again. He needs to give Kate Hudson a booty call to straighten his head out, haha.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']These umpires suck. Not that they definitely blew the game for the Phils, but they're making terrible calls on both sides. I don't even understand the strike zone, its expanded so damn much.

I had hope going into that 9th inning but knew it was definitely over when it was up to Stairs, he's pretty horrible.[/QUOTE]

Haha...yeah, just ignore the bottom of the 7th. No blown calls that inning...
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Of course, the very next inning, the umps gave the Yanks a make up call on that grounder hit by Utley. I knew that was coming. I said "if it's close, they're calling him out". And they did. To me, it was a well deserved make up call, but I'd still rather have the right calls made the first time around. I don't even blame the umps for not being able to tell that Howard didn't catch the ball. But Fox had a replay with a decisive ruling within 15 seconds. How can MLB NOT use that to their advantage?


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Sorry but the Yankees didn't get a makeup call and the Utley being out wasn't a bad call. Victorino was about 4 feet out of the basepaths. The ruling is it's an automatic double play if a runner runs out of the basepaths to obstruct the IF. Buck Showalter on ESPN even pointed that out.

I am trying to find a link for a screen cap. It was beyond obvious.

Baseball rule book 7.09

(e) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

This is the only picture I could find so far online.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/photos?photoId=258955&gameId=291029110


Here is the video for it. 26-28 seconds in. Victorino doesn't try to slide into second as he runs out of the basepath to interfere with Jeter. Utley was half a step out anyways.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7102877&topic_id=7223768
 
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[quote name='wildcpac']Sorry but the Yankees didn't get a makeup call and the Utley being out wasn't a bad call. Victorino was about 4 feet out of the basepaths. The ruling is it's an automatic double play if a runner runs out of the basepaths to obstruct the IF. Buck Showalter on ESPN even pointed that out.

I am trying to find a link for a screen cap. It was beyond obvious.

Baseball rule book 7.09

(e) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

This is the only picture I could find so far online.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/photos?photoId=258955&gameId=291029110


Here is the video for it. 26-28 seconds in. Victorino doesn't try to slide into second as he runs out of the basepath to interfere with Jeter. Utley was half a step out anyways.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7102877&topic_id=7223768[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah. I noticed that too. But everybody knows that Victorino is a dirty player. That may be the rulebook wording, but the generally accepted rule of thumb is that the baserunner has to be within arm's reach of the bag.

They didn't call him out for interference though. Fox showed the play at 1st a few times, and it looked like Utley was safe. Either way though, I couldn't care less. I'm a Yankee fan. The blown call in the bottom of the 7th was a much bigger deal because it created two imaginary outs and killed a big inning. Whether Utley was safe or not, the umpires owed the Yanks one.
 
Hard to bitch about the call on that short hop. You couldn't tell it bounced when they showed the replay at full speed--only in slow mo. So no way the ump, who was behind Howard, could tell it bounced. Just too close a play.

Instant replay, like the announcers discussed, really couldn't be used on such plays anyway as there's no way to know where the runners would have been for sure. Just like replay in football can't be used when the whistle was blown and the play stopped as there's no way to know where the runner would have been tackled if he hadn't been ruled down and the play blown dead (and thus the defense stop trying to tackle him).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Hard to bitch about the call on that short hop. You couldn't tell it bounced when they showed the replay at full speed--only in slow mo. So no way the ump, who was behind Howard, could tell it bounced. Just too close a play.

Instant replay, like the announcers discussed, really couldn't be used on such plays anyway as there's no way to know where the runners would have been for sure. Just like replay in football can't be used when the whistle was blown and the play stopped as there's no way to know where the runner would have been tackled if he hadn't been ruled down and the play blown dead (and thus the defense stop trying to tackle him).[/QUOTE]

Yes, but it is the perfect example of why instant replay needs to be expanded...which was the point of my post. Difficult call or not, within 15 seconds of making it, the 100 ft HD screen in centerfield was showing the umps that they got it wrong.

Comparing it to football isn't even accurate though because the play WAS stopped. All runners were stationary on a bag. Posada was standing on 2nd base and was called out. Besides, it's no different than making a ruling on a wild pitch or a ground ruled double. You give the runners what they SHOULD have had. I'm not saying it wasn't a tough call to see, but that still doesn't justify getting it wrong and giving the Phillies two imaginary outs. In realtiy, they bailed Howard out for making a horrible throw.

Oh, also, I should mention, I'm going to bitch about it as long as stupid ass Charlie Manuel has the balls to bitch about Utley being safe. Between his and Pedro's comments, the Phils are starting to show a lack of class (not even counting Victorino's dirty play).
 
Definitely shows a lack of class to complain about a call post-game when a key call also went your way. I don't have any problem with a manager going out and arguing a call, no matter how many might have gone their way. In the heat of the moment, it happens. I was actually surprised no one argued the call, because initially, I thought the play wasn't even close. I thought Utley was clearly safe, but the replay does show it was quite bang-bang.

And not for nothing, who do you think was more likely to get out of a situation with two outs and runners on? Rivera or whoever would have pitched to Tex? Come on.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Comparing it to football isn't even accurate though because the play WAS stopped. All runners were stationary on a bag. Posada was standing on 2nd base and was called out. Besides, it's no different than making a ruling on a wild pitch or a ground ruled double. You give the runners what they SHOULD have had. I'm not saying it wasn't a tough call to see, but that still doesn't justify getting it wrong and giving the Phillies two imaginary outs. In realtiy, they bailed Howard out for making a horrible throw.
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It looked like Howard was starting to go step on first, heard the out call then threw to second.

So what would the umps rule if there was replay? Ignore that the call fucked Howard up and have the bases loaded? Factor that in and give the out at first with runners on second and third? Just too much subjectivity for me.

And baseball is too damn slow and boring already without more use of replay slowing things down.
 
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