CAG PSN Gamesharing #9 - Find/Create a Gameshare Group and Gameshare FAQ

Mirmo said:
some what of a rough translation I did of this for those interested

Looks like if you still have your phantom available, you'll lose it eventually. Best bet is if you still have your phantom is to remove internet access from your PS4 till you finish with your game. Although it seems they've added some gamesharing countermeasures to 2.50 so they might have something even if you are offline. Then again this could just be a support rep talking out his ass.
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Thanks for translating this!

 
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^^^ It was you get a unique feeling watching a Lesnar match that pain is actually here.

Do  you guys think people who JUST bought a phantom should be entitled to a partial refund on new/expensive games.

I can't game until the weekend so I doubt Ill have any play time of my two new phantoms at all.

Also I blame all the ***** on ebay selling accounts like a business.

 
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Just popped in and it's terrible to hear about Phantoms. I'm guessing the main way forward is going to be the Library? #RIPGameSharing

 
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For Sale

Battlefield 4 full game & Premium (PS3/Phantom) - $5 

Don Bradman Cricket 14 (PS3) - $7 Resell / $3.50 Phantom

For Rent

The Order: 1886 - $1.00 for 3 days. $1.50 Per week

Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor - $1 Per week

 
I saw this was happening even before the PS4 launch when a guy started selling gameshares on eBay. Searched "Bloodborne account" the other day, first listing was 80+ sold. Sony knows it! It's just a matter of time to fix it once and for all. Anyway, I hope eBay sellers are not Cags.

Try using PlayStation live chat for any problems you have, and you will see a big notice about gamesharing/account deactivation on EVERY chat window. Sony knows..

I talked about this with Raiborg about couple of months ago, because I had a bad feeling that gamesharing is going to be over soon. 

 
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This guy got 246 ebay ratings and all are from this month:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=alvarogsr

So from this however it seems not many lost their phantom yet, or maybe they left the feedback too fast and cant change it anymore...

Only one has complained so far:

Got the game but for some reason it has been Locked so in not happy! s***t ( 2 ) During past month

Reply by alvarogsr (Mar-30-15 04:13): The game was blocked because you have not read the instructions.

This guy will get 100s of complaints surely shortly if all 246 lose their games... 

I still think this whole thing might just be a licence bug from the new firmware because i also get a lock symbol after turning on the ps4 now sometimes on games i purchased in my main....

 
Has any one had a phantom lock when using the share on a main from a different region?

 
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I haven't even played my phantoms on my ps4 yet. Don't think it's worth it just to get the trophies on and it locking. Meh I'm done with PS4 gamesharing, not worth the risk. I'll just get back to my disc based purchases on second hand and seasonal sales only. 

Either way if Sony are starting to pull this sneaky shit and the fact that they were really scummy to the guy who's account got hacked, I personally hope they don't come up on top this console generation. 

BTW gys take some stories with a grain of salt - it must be April 1st somewhere in the world.

 
I think things will get even in some point, with a little of history you all remember the disccounts digital content used to have in Amazon, but that didnt last long I assumed because sony realized that th GS was taking all the advantage instead of legit users. So I think eventually when the phantomized wont work as usual, the price drops will begin to pop out and then we will be able to GS without phantoms. I know a lot of people who doesnt complaint about playing with locked slots, so it will just different.
 
One thing people need to realize is that they can't screw over people who are just gameharing with family etc. That was a USP for Sony, fair enough that they moved it from 5-2 console only but this is a pretty scummy thing for them to do to people who gameshare with family etc.

Oh well, time to actually start playing online on the games that I do own.. 

 
The digital pre-order for Batman: Arkham Knight is going live today on PlayStation Store.

R - RPG
 
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ashtonreeves said:
I saw this was happening even before the PS4 launch when a guy started selling gameshares on eBay. Searched "Bloodborne account" the other day, first listing was 80+ sold. Sony knows it! It's just a matter of time to fix it once and for all. Anyway, I hope eBay sellers are not Cags.

Try using PlayStation live chat for any problems you have, and you will see a big notice about gamesharing/account deactivation on EVERY chat window. Sony knows..

I talked about this with Raiborg about couple of months ago, because I had a bad feeling that gamesharing is going to be over soon.
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It does not mention gamesharing, just directions on how to deactivate a console which is probably for people getting rid of their older/broken systems.

 
killapigs said:
This guy got 246 ebay ratings and all are from this month:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=alvarogsr

So from this however it seems not many lost their phantom yet, or maybe they left the feedback too fast and cant change it anymore...

Only one has complained so far:

Got the game but for some reason it has been Locked so in not happy! s***t ( 2 ) During past month

Reply by alvarogsr (Mar-30-15 04:13): The game was blocked because you have not read the instructions.

This guy will get 100s of complaints surely shortly if all 246 lose their games...

I still think this whole thing might just be a licence bug from the new firmware because i also get a lock symbol after turning on the ps4 now sometimes on games i purchased in my main....
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I just reported his listings. [Listing practices] > [Other Listing practices] > [Digitally delivered goods].

Don't know how to report account selling..

shady520 said:
It does not mention gamesharing, just directions on how to deactivate a console which is probably for people getting rid of their older/broken systems.
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Ask them to deactivate a console and see the response. You will get the shittiest customer service response in your recent memory.

Edit: Yes, it doesn't mention gamesharing. But I'm sure sellers used Sony customer service for console deactivation. They have their own way of tracking things with customer support data and they might have noticed the console deactivation percentage is not normal + too many deactivation on the same account when it was new and there are no other games on that account, no trophies etc..

 
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Looks like it's the perfect time to come out of retirement and help out in whatever way I can.

So far, all of my PS4 phantoms are still working, including the latest Bloodborne (speaking of which I still have the resell for this so PM me if you want it).

My main account is activated on my system with the current settings:

  • All "Automatic Downloads and Uploads" settings under System is enabled.
  • All "Set Functions Available in Rest Mode" settings under Power Save Settings are enabled.
  • The "Log In to PS4 Automatically" feature is turned off.
I always put my PS4 in rest/suspend mode and only power off when I'm bringing it over to a friend's house. Model CUH-1001A (bought at launch).

Still need confirmation from sgand but according to him, an AC4 phantom I sold him recently has been locked. The interesting thing though is that I never got around to changing the password and deactivating him yet. Won't speculate on this further until he confirms the lock once he gets home.

The most important thing we can do right now is figure out what is triggering these locks. From the admittedly little research I've done (blame Bloodborne), there doesn't seem to be any pattern. Some change from the firmware update is highly suspect but why are some people unaffected? If we can recreate the lockout with consistency, we can figure out what is happening.

Worst case scenario, Sony is doing the locks manually and there's nothing we can do about it. Push comes to shove, we will figure out another way to play games for cheap. IIRC, Boosted set up a PS4 subscription service a while back. Is that still going? Might be a viable option worth exploring but let's focus on what is causing the locks for now.

 
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PS Plus: Free Games for April 2015

  • Tower of Guns (PS4, PS3)
  • Never Alone (PS4)
  • Dishonored (PS3)
  • Aaru’s Awakening (PS3, PS4)
  • Killzone Mercenary (PS Vita)
  • MonsterBag (PS Vita)
 
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My BF4 phantom is still kicking. I purchased it after the 2.50 update, I've used suspend/resume frequently, played online, and have all the automatic upload/downloads on.

 
Until further notice my timeshares will be 8 days. and 9 days for regulars. Everyone knows who they are.

Timeshare. PS4
THIS Week (PM me to be added to the queue)
MLB 15 The Show
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Last Week
Borderlands (Handsome Jack Collection)
Bloodborne
Game of Thrones Ep3
Life is Strange Ep 2
Metal Slug 3

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Assassin's Creed Unity $2
Battlefield 4 + Premium $1.50
Battlefield Hardline $3
COD Advanced Warfare + season pass $2
Chariot $1
Dead Or Alive 5 Last Round $1.50
DMC Definitive Edition $2
Dragon Age Inquisition $2
Dragon Ball Xenoverse $3
Driveclub $2
DivekIck $1.50
Dying Light $2
Dynasty Warriors 8: Extreme $2
Helldivers $1
Hotline Miami 2 $1
Evolve $2
Farcry 4 $2
Fifa 15 $2
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD $3
Game of thrones ep 1 +2 $0.50 a day
GTA V $2
Grim Fandango $1
Guilty Gear xrd sign $2
Last of Us Remastered $1.50
Lego Marvel Heroes $1
Life is strange ep 1 $0.50 a day
Little Big planet 3 $2
Lords of the Fallen $2
Metal Gear Ground Zeroes $1.50
Mercenary Kings $1
NBA2K15 $2
NFS Rivals $1.50
PVZ Garden Warfare $1
Resident Evil Remastered $1.50
Resident Evil Revalations Season Pass $1.50 a week
Saints Row Re Elected + Gat out of Hell $2.50
Saints Row :Gat out of Hell $1.50
Samurai Warriors 4 $2
Shadow Of Mordor + season pass $2
Sleeping Dogs Def Edition $2
Styx Master Of Shadows $1
Super Stardust Ultra PS4 $1
Tales from the borderlands ep 1+2 $0.50 a day
The Crew $2
The Evil Within + season pass $2
The Order $3
The Wolf among Us $1.50
Transformers Rise Of the Dark Spark $1
Wolfenstein:The New Order $1.50
Walking Dead season 2 $1.50
Walking Dead season 1 $1.50
Warriors Orochi Ultimate 3 $2
White Night $1
WWE 2K15 $2
Zombie Army Trilogy $2

 
A theory I have: 
Sony can't do it automatic, otherwise we all would have lost our games. Not some of us and some games.

What if Sony has placed "markers" in games, like a serial code, and is actively blocking games around major releases (bloodborn).
So Sony will look at ebay perhaps and see hmm a lot of bloodborne accounts are being sold. Let's check our markers and see if there are any phantoms. 
Because it is the first time they are looking for other major games as well to block. 
Maybe it will be safe to phantom bloodborne in 6 months when they don't care anymore. Maybe that's why a lot of people still have "old" phantoms and more of the big budget titles are blocked.

 
Anyone have any suggestions where the best place to sell PS3's these days? CL and Ebay?

Poor thing is just collecting dust, its a 80gb PHATTY....would like to get at least 80 for it. 

 
Kennaah said:
A theory I have:
Sony can't do it automatic, otherwise we all would have lost our games. Not some of us and some games.

What if Sony has placed "markers" in games, like a serial code, and is actively blocking games around major releases (bloodborn).
So Sony will look at ebay perhaps and see hmm a lot of bloodborne accounts are being sold. Let's check our markers and see if there are any phantoms.
Because it is the first time they are looking for other major games as well to block.
Maybe it will be safe to phantom bloodborne in 6 months when they don't care anymore. Maybe that's why a lot of people still have "old" phantoms and more of the big budget titles are blocked.
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nah, what about things like battlefield etc

makes zero sense

 
I'm thinking it has something to do with ip addresses on account creation and phantoms.

Maybe even how many times the resell has changed/changes hands. Resells will be safe, but markers or flags will be placed on phantom accounts whose resell has changed hands (ip addresses) too many times. This part I doubt since it affects newer phantoms like Bloodborne which I doubt changed hands very much or at all.

Perhaps Sony is doing it manually or a system is in place, regardless, this still sheds light on things a bit.

"Resell and phantom ip addresses are both on at the same time playing the game.. oh wait, the ip address where the actual account was created is different too? Flag!"

Something of that sort. For my phantom, I created the account and "phantomed" myself out. So the ip address upon account creation and current phantom are the same. This could also explain how they'll avoid flagging people sharing with their family on the same house (say 1 resell on a ps4 on the living room and a phantom on another ps4 on the bedroom - same account ofcourse and obviously same ip address). However, there's no way I could verify this since I don't have 2 ps4's lol.

I'm not saying phantoms outside these said conditions will automatically get locked, just that they're (more) in danger of being locked. It's just a theory at this point.

 
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I think you use the term sharing incorrectly when reffering to phantoms. When you deactivate a console from other than the console itself, you are saying you wont use that licence again in tha system cause you are going to use it in other one. Idt Sony consider legit to have a phantom in one system and a resell in other, even they were in the same family. Imho when Sony allowed GS he was thinking in things like logging on my friends console and let him play a game I bought using my credentials for a brief time.
What Sony is doing is fixing a hole in his procedure to transfer licenses among different systems.
 
Right. Sony has no obligation to keep both resell and phantom playable even if they're at the same house using the same ip address. I know that.

I'm more trying to figure out why some phantoms are being locked while some aren't. Right now, the theory with ip addresses seems plausible.

 
d3adliner said:
Why? Sure has never sucked for me.What sucks about paying a few bucks for enough time to beat a game? To me it sure beats paying much more for something I will play through once and then never touch again.
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Because not everyone beats games that quickly. Some people don't have enough free time to pump as many hours into a game as they'd like.

*Look at me, I'm taking up JikiNova's cause here!*

 
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ClydeShebang said:
One thing people need to realize is that they can't screw over people who are just gameharing with family etc. That was a USP for Sony, fair enough that they moved it from 5-2 console only but this is a pretty scummy thing for them to do to people who gameshare with family etc.

Oh well, time to actually start playing online on the games that I do own..
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Unfortunately they can. Sony was the only company to offer that feature and sorry to say but people selling accounts ruined it for everyone. It is what it is. It was fun while it lasted but now it's likely over. I just wish it'd happened a couple weeks earlier, I would have just bought Bloodborne, Battlefield, and SR4 on my main, now I have 3 extra users registered on my system for one game each!

 
Well if phantoms are gonna be a thing of the past.. then I don't know what to say to that lol. There's really only a handful of options if you don't have enough time to sink to beat a game while renting for a week or two: rent longer, buy it full price either physical or digital or wait for a deal or preowned? Maybe the library? In that avenue, I still see issues arising for new releases with too many people wanting to play right away and not enough resell spots.

But we are getting ahead of ourselves. Let's try to figure this out first if there's a solution before discussing timeshares in a world with no more phantoms lol.

 
I still want a ps4 someday. I don't really have the money for one anyway and I've got so many games in my backlog on ps3 I doubt I play them all at this rate. I'm still content with my ps3.
 
Usuyami said:
My main account is activated on my system with the current settings:

  • All "Automatic Downloads and Uploads" settings under System is enabled.
  • All "Set Functions Available in Rest Mode" settings under Power Save Settings are enabled.
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Just an FYI, these settings are system wide and not profile specific. So every profile set up on a PS4 uses the same settings.

Another theory I had (barring Sony purposefully sending account checks), is with the update to the Trophy llsts.

There could have been a background trophy sync that initiated a call to Sony's servers that flagged a phantom account as having a deactivated licence, especially if there was trophy activity on the main account/locked slot.

 
Kennaah said:
Battlefield hardline?
It's a "major" release.
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Right, and?

"What if Sony has placed "markers" in games, like a serial code, and is actively blocking games around major releases (bloodborn).

So Sony will look at ebay perhaps and see hmm a lot of bloodborne accounts are being sold. Let's check our markers and see if there are any phantoms.
Because it is the first time they are looking for other major games as well to block. "

Bloodbourne is a "major" release too

 
I think everyone is jumping the gun and saying this is the end of gamesharing when we dont even have any information about the loss of phantoms. Yes they are gone but why are they gone? Sony has not released any news about this. We have a confirmation from a customer service agent, and to be honest the customer service agents at Sony usually do not know whats going on half the time right? Why scare the community of everything being completely done when we have no factual proof that everything is over? I feel like we need to do some more tests no matter how many have been done to get to the bottom of it. I will volunteer with whatever to find out what the problem is. And until there is a release of information or a general knowledge about why phantoms are being locked I feel like people here shouldn't jump to conclusions without proof as it is just hurting the community.

 
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Blabadon said:
Of course, the main issue with the library exists that it simply cannot cover a large amount of users wanting to play a single game. If anyone would like to start a PM chain with our best minds to put any ideas on the table, that'd be cool.

I see what you mean Stryder. New users are gonna have a helluva time getting in now.
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I'm honestly considering making the ps3 and ps4 libraries separately accessible bc of this but idk yet it might piss a lot of ppl off tht don't have ps4 games donated.. Thoughts?

Also most games have time limits and queues. Nobody can rent a game for a long period of time if there are ppl waiting.
 
Sucks about the PS4 Phantoms, and my heart goes out to those of you that lost a bunch of stuff.

For now, I am going to stop offering PS4 phantoms.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony was first concerned about it's own franchises (such as Bloodborne) and less about third party games (Battlefield is owned by EA/Dice)

PS4
• Killzone: Shadow Fall - sellable, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Lara Croft Osiris+DLC, Mercenary Kings, PJ Shooter, Towerfall Ascension - timeshare $1.5/wk
• Lego Marvel Super Heroes - sellable, timeshare $1/wk
• SoundShapes + DLC, Plants vs Zombies - timeshare $1.5/wk


PS3
• Alice Madness Returns + All DLC - sellable, timeshare $1/wk
• Assassin's Creed Brotherhood + All DLC - phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Assassin's Creed 3 + All DLC & Sorcery - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag + All DLC - sellable, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Batman Arkham Origins + Cold Heart/Initiation/Knightfall - phantom, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Battlefield 4 & Premium (all trophy DLC, pile of battlepacks, also Pistol+DMR unlocks) - resell, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Borderlands 2 + Mechro/Dome/lvl61/SeasonPass, SoundShapes + DLC - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Call of Duty Black Ops 2 + Season Pass DLC + Nuketown Zombies + Nuketown 2025 - sellable, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 All DLC - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• DanceStar w/ songs - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Darksiders II w/ Crucible Pass and soundtrack - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Destiny w/ Season Pass PLUS Pre-Order Bonuses - resell, timeshare $1/wk
• Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• God of War Ascension Online Pass + 48-hr XP Boost + Ultimate DLC Bundle - sellable, phantom, first timeshare w/ 48hr XP Boost is $2/wk
• Grand Theft Auto V, L.A. Noire Complete - phantom, timeshare $1.5/wk
• GTA4 Episodes, LA Noire, Midnight Club LA+DLC, Red Dead Redemption - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1.5/wk
• Heavy Fire Afghanistan - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• LittleBigPlanet Karting + a ton of karts/costumes - phantom, timeshare $0.5/wk
• Machinarium - sellable, phantom, timeshare $0.5/wk
• Max Payne 3 + All DLC - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Ni No Kuni & Jet Set Radio - sellable, flexible, timeshare $1/wk
• Remember Me - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Saints Row 3 Complete (USA) - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• Saints Row 3 Complete (German) - sellable, phantom $10
• Smurfs 2 - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• South Park: The Stick of Truth - timeshare $1.5/wk
• Star Wars Force Unleashed DLC - sellable, phantom, timeshare $0.5/wk
• The Bureau: XCOM Declassified - phantom
• Tomb Raider (2013) w/ bonus map/weapons/etc and Quantum Conundrum - sellable, phantom, timeshare $1/wk
• XCOM Enemy Unknown + Slingshot DLC - phantom

 
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This issue sure has brought the crowd back hasn't it? 

Thinking we should have a thread for timeshares specifically. Closed membership of course. What would the requirements be for membership? Vouch system a la Pravado's system or successful transactions? I'm just spitballing a few ideas here, no idea if this is a feasible idea or not...

 
I just don't need all of yall taking QDizzles rentals from me. Work it out amongst yourselves, but to add to the topic, having the access to timesharing should absolutely be gated in someway. Personal vouches would be ideal. Anyone can pad transactions if they want to gain access to locked areas. I did it in GTZ to gain access to their gameshare forum, people will do it here.
 
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