CAG PSN Gamesharing #9 - Find/Create a Gameshare Group and Gameshare FAQ

Revanchist said:
If this random phantom deactivation bug is associated with the 2.50 patch I doubt it will ever get fixed seeing that no one can/will report the issue to Sony...being against their TOS and all. We sure are caught between a rock and a hard place. We can hope it's not purposefully being done and that a future patch will somehow correct these issues but I'm not sure how long that will take and if anyone will still be willing to spend so much money to test it out in the future.

It's been good sharing with you guys. :cry:

Right now I am testing it out with friends to see if their phantoms are going to be locked out. Naturally, I'll give them their money back if it does get locked out. Borderlands THC is still fine (*knock on wood) and in a couple weeks from now I will phantom off Bloodborne to see if that gets locked out as well.
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It's not really against their TOS though, as long as you share within your household. If they don't fix the issue over the coming weeks we could get in contact with the customer support. That being said I'm pretty sure the eBay sellers will be very quick to report it once all the phantom owners demand their money back.

Also remember that you can perform tests on some cheap indie games' phantoms (BTW have accounts with demos been locked as well? ) not necessarily Bloodborne, so that you don't lose the slot in case the issue finally gets sorted out.

 
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For me only those phantoms got locked, that were already "reset"... The phantoms Wolfenstein & Far Cry 4 I bought from Kerouac that are not "real" phantoms yet still work. 

Interestingly the moment I got all the locks, I was logged into my main as always... But one game I bought with that main (Sleeping Dogs) actually had the lock symbol too................

So this makes me think it was just an error/bug/glitch from Sonys Servers. The moment we all lost our phantoms was also around the time when they switched the store from sonyentertainmentnetwork.com to store.playstation.com - so in this process maybe our PS4s weren´t able to reach the authorization servers for 24 or 48 hours which might automatically flag those phantoms into a 2nd check and this one doesn´t confirm as the accounts were already reset

A few people who still have their phantoms mentioned they don´t have the -often slow to update- default DNS in their ps4s but openDNS which is much faster and could have prevented these authorization problems for 24 or more hours.

 
killapigs said:
For me only those phantoms got locked, that were already "reset"... The phantoms Wolfenstein & Far Cry 4 I bought from Kerouac that are not "real" phantoms yet still work.

Interestingly the moment I got all the locks, I was logged into my main as always... But one game I bought with that main (Sleeping Dogs) actually had the lock symbol too................

So this makes me think it was just an error/bug/glitch from Sonys Servers. The moment we all lost our phantoms was also around the time when they switched the store from sonyentertainmentnetwork.com to store.playstation.com - so in this process maybe our PS4s weren´t able to reach the authorization servers for 24 or 48 hours which might automatically flag those phantoms into a 2nd check and this one doesn´t confirm as the accounts were already reset

A few people who still have their phantoms mentioned they don´t have the -often slow to update- default DNS in their ps4s but openDNS which is much faster and could have prevented these authorization problems for 24 or more hours.
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Has anyone tried making a phantom after this change to see if it works?

 
RoyTheAlmighty said:
It's not really against their TOS though, as long as you share within your household. If they don't fix the issue over the coming weeks we could get in contact with the customer support. That being said I'm pretty sure the eBay sellers will be very quick to report it once all the phantom owners demand their money back.

Also remember that you can perform tests on some cheap indie games' phantoms (BTW have accounts with demos been locked as well? ) not necessarily Bloodborne, so that you don't lose the slot in case the issue finally gets sorted out.
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It kind of is against their TOS.. The porpuse of allowing you to deactivate your account from all systems through the website as so that in case your PS3 or PS4 broke (or any other malfuction), and you were forced to get a new one, you could still access all your digital games in your new playstation by manually deactivating in the website.. It was never meant to be used to allow you to have the same game on 2 different systems at the same time... And if you own more than one console, you can simply play with your account across all your PS4, as long as you play the games that were purchased with your account (since you don't need to set the console as your primary in order to play the games you bought)...

I don't have a PS4, so I can't make any kind of tests to see where the problem is, but my two friends for whom I have bought some phantoms still have them intact, with out any problem, have turned their PS4 on and off in all the possible ways (so I don't think the problem is there), and keep playing online with those games... so far so good, but it can be all a question of luck...

Throwing my 2 cents away, I would guess the new update is somehow forcing all the accounts to go online for a little bit... If you think about it, we basicly are manually deactivating the accounts on the website, so for phantoms the license was never there after the first log in, and the only reason the console is not able to detect that the licenses are expired is because in the way the system is built in, the console only checks the licenses for one account when said account goes online (which is kind of lame to be honest xD)... Now, Sony didn't change this, otherwise it would have affected everyone... So, somehow the phantom accounts are "auto logging in", but I fail in not having one PS4 to conduct some tests... I will post my address in a bit in case any one wants to send me a PS4 xD


Cheap way to test things should be with PS Plus, since every new user gets a 14 days PS+ trial

 
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well, just lost my phantoms lol

really hope this gets a workaround 

I only really played fifa anyways, I'll just trade GTA V to my brother since he has a fifa resell

 
RoyTheAlmighty said:
It's not really against their TOS though, as long as you share within your household. If they don't fix the issue over the coming weeks we could get in contact with the customer support. That being said I'm pretty sure the eBay sellers will be very quick to report it once all the phantom owners demand their money back.

Also remember that you can perform tests on some cheap indie games' phantoms (BTW have accounts with demos been locked as well? ) not necessarily Bloodborne, so that you don't lose the slot in case the issue finally gets sorted out.
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I made a few phantom demos the other day as a test and they were still working as of last night

*Edit: still working today also*

 
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Well my phantoms are gone but one. GTA and COD. I'm done with game sharing besides rentals.

Also I was using opendns so I don't think it matters.
 
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Selling a phantom of Guilty Gear Xrd PS3 ver. w/ Elphelt Valentine & Leo Whitefang DLC HK PSN for $16. PM me, if you're interested. This is the PS3 version.

 
I report that some friends lost their phantoms in the middle of a game. So it seems the thing is not related to the stand-by feature. Just being online is a risk for the phantoms.

by the way, I share with you some of my gameplay of bloodborne.

bloodborne: http://youtu.be/JGuvKFUgu6s

remember my psn id: dilugi I am lvl 40
 
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johanlh said:
I report that some friends lost their phantoms in the middle of a game. So it seems the thing is not related to the stand-by feature. Just being online is a risk for the phantoms. by the way, I share with you some of my gameplay of bloodborne.
bloodborne: http://youtu.be/JGuvKFUgu6s
remember my psn id: dilugi I am lvl 40
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Looks cool as hell at that point of the game. Problem for me is I'd NEVER get that far in it!

Timeshares available:

Saints Row 4 with Gat Out Of Hell- $1 per week

Battlefield Hardline- $3 per week (or buy for $35) presently out

*MAY be putting my Bloodborne back out for timeshare tonight. Not definite.*

 
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Sooo does anyone want to sell me a phantom for bloodborne at cheaper price right now? Im willing to take that risk seeing all my phantoms still work fine.
 
[quote name="luan87us" post="12611201" timestamp="1427922494"]Sooo does anyone want to sell me a phantom for bloodborne at cheaper price right now? Im willing to take that risk seeing all my phantoms still work fine.[/quote]
how much will you be willing to pay for it?
I have an untouched account waiting for things to settle down
 
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luan87us said:
Sooo does anyone want to sell me a phantom for bloodborne at cheaper price right now? Im willing to take that risk seeing all my phantoms still work fine.
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Since Battlefield DLC is cross buy, I am looking to join up with a PS3 user and purchase Premium for Battlefield: Hardline. It will be a 50/50 split with no type of phantom involvement. I will be taking the PS4 slot. Join if you are interested!

Battlefield: Hardline Premium (U.S.)

PS4 Resell $25

1. fmills15

PS3 Resell $25

2._______

 
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StarShadow said:
$50 resells are the future guys. There is no denying it ppl. Haters can hate all they want.

#Aprilfools.
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Not the future. BB Gamersclub + 10% movers coupons makes physical copies $48 after tax so no sense in buying a digital resell for the 50. If gone for good you will just see an increase in library shares/locked slot sales (all of this among trusted company of course)

 
drolan said:
Not the future. BB Gamersclub + 10% movers coupons makes physical copies $48 after tax so no sense in buying a digital resell for the 50. If gone for good you will just see an increase in library shares/locked slot sales (all of this among trusted company of course)
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I'm going to buy a triple A PS3 game on my account and sell the resell slots for $40 a pop. Cheaper for customers that way. This is the future of gamesharing.

 
StarShadow said:
$50 resells are the future guys. There is no denying it ppl. Haters can hate all they want.

#Aprilfools.
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Not the future. BB Gamersclub + 10% movers coupons makes physical copies $48 after tax so no sense in buying a digital resell for the 50. If gone for good you will just see an increase in library shares/locked slot sales (all of this among trusted company of course) Plus for single player only games there will still be phantoms as you can easily just not log into the internet.

Speaking of which..one test that needs to be run is to have your main account signed out of PSN to determine if the check is done when the ps4 touches the internet or it waits for a PSN login. From there can determine if its: the PSN login of the main account that does it, any psn login that does it, or if its just the ps4 touching the internet that does it.

 
The only up side is that i won't be tempted to buy phantoms and build a massive catalogue I won't have time to play.
That is until there is more clarity.
For all we know phantoms will stop locking in a month and we can resume our cheapness

 
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Kennaah said:
The only up side is that i won't be tempted to buy phantoms and build a massive catalogue I won't have time to play.
That is until there is more clarity.
For all we know phantoms will stop locking in a month and we can resume our cheapness
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What would Sony's motivation be to change this? They've been trying to stop us from doing it for years and now they've found out how to do it whether intentional or not. Guys you're just gonna have to accept it, it's over.

 
Selling:
(PS3 resells)
Ben 10 Omniverse 2 - $2
 
(PS3 phantoms)
Far Cry 4 + Season Pass - $10
Earth Defense Force 2025 + Mission packs DLC - $6
Murdered: Soul Suspect - $3
Port Royale 3 Gold Edition - $4
The Witch and the Hundred Knight - $4
Warrior: Legends of Troy - $3
Dragon's Crown - $3
Farming Simulator, Contrast, RAW, OlliOlli, Rotastic - $5
Ragnarok Odyssey ACE - $4
Grid Autosport - $3
Fast & Furious: Showdown - $3
 
 
(PS4 Timeshares available)
Child of Light  - $1
Crimsonland  - $0.5

Guacamelee - $1
Infamous: First Light  - $1
Injustice  - $2
Minecraft - $1
Monopoly Plus  - $1
Strike Suit Zero  - $1
Styx: Masters of Shadows
Surgeon Simulator  - $0.5
The Legend of Korra  - $1
The Order: 1886   - $3
Transistor   - $1
Costume Quest 2, Killallzombies, Aqua Kitty   - $1
 
 
Available for timeshare, all PS3,(prices are per week) or phantom (PM for price)
- Lemmings, Fighting Vipers - $1
- Valiant Hearts: The Great War - $1
- SHORT PEACE: Ranko Tsukigime's Longest Day - $2
- Diablo 3 (Vanilla Version) - $1
- Hakouki - $1
- The Raven: Legacy of the Master Thief -$1
- Saints Row 4 Season Pass - $0.5
- Bioshock Season Pass - $1 
- Metro Last Light DLC - $1
- The Darkness 2 - $1   
- Game of Thrones - $0.5
- Doki Doki Universe (PS3 or PS4)  - $0.5
- Lone Survivor - $0.5
- Ride to Hell: Retribution - $0.5
- Captain Morgane and the Golden Turtle - $1
- Mafia II DLC - $1
- NFS: The Run DLC - $0.5 
- Far Cry Classic - $0.5
- The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct - $1
- Magrunner: Dark Pulse - $1
- Star Raiders - $0.5
- Under Defeat HD - $1
- The Cursed Crusade - $0.5 
- Zombeer - $1
- Beer Pong - Free
- Toki Tori - Free
- God Mode - Free
- Final Exam - Free 
 
StarShadow said:
$50 resells are the future guys. There is no denying it ppl. Haters can hate all they want.

#Aprilfools.
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Library is the future. It's being started from scratch with only PS4 games and no members. Every week one person can join if they donate a new $60 release.

April Fools. Or is it?

 
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As of right now, the only glimmer of hope that I see for gamesharing is that if Sony has to do this manually, they might ease up after awhile. This first wave of locks may eventually hit everyone, but maybe they won't dedicate employees and resources 24/7 after this initial wave. Maybe they'll do manual checks every 6 months or something? Who knows....I'm just trying to find some kind of hope.

 
Any reputable trusted vets want to join the largest PS4 club library around?  Looking for an additional trusted vet that will contribute a bit of time lending out the existing shares to existing members.

EDIT: Looks like the spot is being filled. Membership is closed for now...
 
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sgand said:
Has anyone checked on Snakey. Is his PS4 a giant paperweight now
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No. All fine, for now.

Take your PlayStation 4 off the internet, if haven't done so already before having finished the games in your phantom accounts. Set up Dynamic IP as well.

Doesn't matter if you put your PS4 into Sleep mode, verification detection doesn't work that way.

Avoid downloading Yakimura if you haven't done that mandatory firmware update yet.

Harken back to when you tried to counter the Cinavia detection system, some of those methods might work.

That is all.

 
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StarShadow said:
$50 resells are the future guys. There is no denying it ppl. Haters can hate all they want.

#Aprilfools.
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Not the future. BB Gamersclub + 10% movers coupons makes physical copies $48 after tax so no sense in buying a digital resell for the 50. If gone for good you will just see an increase in library shares/locked slot sales (all of this among trusted company of course) Plus for single player only games there will still be phantoms as you can easily just not log into the internet.

Speaking of which..one test that needs to be run is to have your main account signed out of PSN to determine if the check is done when the ps4 touches the internet or it waits for a PSN login. From there can determine if its: the PSN login of the main account that does it, any psn login that does it, or if its just the ps4 touching the internet that does it.

 
enorris116 said:
As of right now, the only glimmer of hope that I see for gamesharing is that if Sony has to do this manually, they might ease up after awhile. This first wave of locks may eventually hit everyone, but maybe they won't dedicate employees and resources 24/7 after this initial wave. Maybe they'll do manual checks every 6 months or something? Who knows....I'm just trying to find some kind of hope delude myself.
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FTFY

By the way, any way to change the name of the thread? Maybe "CAG PSN Gamesharing Memorial"? Let's face it, this thread has turned into a graveyard. And it gets more depressing daily.

 
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well it hasn't happened to everyone yet sooo hard to say if there's a bug/glitch in the server changing process or Sony putting the hammer down on this. I'm leaning toward the glitch in the verification process since the server switch for PS store. Seems like some of you guys modified your DNS setting.

 
My phantoms are ok, though to be clear, I haven't received any trophies on the 2 phantoms I have (yet), they are at 0%.
 
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I shouldn't have got drunk on April Fools day, Machinima got me lol.

Anyhoe... Any interest in a TLoU group? Split the resells no phantoms? Unless guigreg is right and it's only one resell one phantom. In that case I can see how gamesharing would stop completely.

 
Cojiro said:
Anyhoe... Any interest in a TLoU group? Split the resells no phantoms? Unless guigreg is right and it's only one resell one phantom. In that case I can see how gamesharing would stop completely.
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PS4 is only one resell one phantom, which is the reason not being able to use phantoms is such a huge deal.

 
iwarboY said:
My phantoms are ok, though to be clear, I haven't received any trophies on the 2 phantoms I have (yet), they are at 0%.
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hmm, this might be the reason for the locked phantoms actually

I remember not ever synching my trophies for a very long time until yesterday that I did and lo and behold my phantoms are now locked

Just a thought...

 
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