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Wow... worst Fatal 4-way I've ever seen. You're telling me those moves took BDV and Boogey out for almost 5 minutes? Then they're both magically back-up to go after Punk following the pin? I hope Punk never wins the title from Morrison.
 
[quote name='monkeydeew']same here[/quote]

Me too, although I probably wouldn't have watched SD otherwise. As it stands I probably still won't as it's on freakin' Friday night. Worst move they could've ever made.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Wow... worst Fatal 4-way I've ever seen. You're telling me those moves took BDV and Boogey out for almost 5 minutes? Then they're both magically back-up to go after Punk following the pin? I hope Punk never wins the title from Morrison.[/quote]


I think there's so many things that can come from that. How bout punk getting the ECW title while Morrison goes on to RAW?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']From the SD taping:

MVP and Matt Hardy are new tag champs.
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wait a sec - is mvp still the us champ?

not too shabby for a guy thats been in the biz for less than a year..
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Wow... worst Fatal 4-way I've ever seen. You're telling me those moves took BDV and Boogey out for almost 5 minutes? Then they're both magically back-up to go after Punk following the pin? I hope Punk never wins the title from Morrison.[/quote]

I thought for sure either big daddy v or boggey would win (size for the former and mind games for the latter) but they choose cm punk again...

didn't he say before that 15 minutes of fame match that would be his last chance against morrison for the title as long as he held it??!
 
that glorified one on one match with 'run-ins' from boogeyman and BDV was absolutely horrible once it broke down to punk and miz it was even more painfully obvious that it was gonna be punk again...
 
aaack too many ecw spoilers tonight, 1 hour till showtime for me. mvp is getting better imo, i kind of see some captain charisma in him.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I had a period of about 2 years where I shat upon the 'taker (early internet smark smarminess I suppose) but now that I'm re-watching the 3 DVD set of his stuff, he can really go considering his size. Obviously I'm not looking for him to springboard plancha anyone but his match against Lesner at the 2002 No Mercy is possibly the best "Hell in a Cell" match I've ever seen and that's coming from a huge Foley mark.[/QUOTE]True, but you will see a badass version of a normal plancha! I love the one he did at WrestleMania 22, where he cleared the top rope AND the casket to land on Mark Henry.

Another awesome Taker match was SummerSlam '98 vs. Stone Cold (I was at MSG for that one!). He did a legdrop off the top rope through the announce table!

On an unrelated note, I just got a shipping confirmation email for the Royal Rumble Anthology set. I ordered it from WWE Shopzone using that 15% off promotion. Quite satisfying after my original Amazon order got delayed until December (their roundabout way of informing me that the order would be cancelled).

I notice that they're gonna start selling smaller Royal Rumble Anthology sets, like those 5-disc Wrestlemania packs. Gotta wonder what they're gonna do about Benoit... it wouldn't surprise me if these newly-issued Rumble packs are missing some key footage from 2000 onward. That's why I made it a priority to get the original set ASAP!
 
[quote name='D_Icon']Why is the miz coming out with the three girls? Isn't he a heel, and the divas are all good?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that how it is in real life?
 
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Source: F4Wonline.com

-- WWE's Johnny Ace wanted a meeting with Japanese superstar Takeshi Morishima when Morishima was in New York last weekend. Ace is said to be very high on him. The NOAH promotion put a stop to the meeting, citing loyalty to Ring of Honor which Morishima works for. WWE actually approached Morishima a year or so ago when he was training at Harley Race's school. WWE had interest in putting him on the ECW roster since talks with Masato Tanaka and Tajiri fell through. NOAH stopped it from happening then too. As previously stated, RAW writer Brian Gerwitz was at the Ring of Honor show in New York last weekend. Brian is a fan of Delirious' gimmick and has pushed for WWE to sign him. [/FONT]
 
According to various reports floating around the internet (mostly message board rumors, from what I've read), Jimmy Rave has signed an appearance deal with TNA to appear at their upcoming PPV as well as the following Impact tapings. Anyone know anything else about that?

Also, with Danielson out of PWG's Battle Of Los Angeles, PWG has added Tony Kozina to take his spot. They've also scrambled the bracket a bit by changing Kozina's opening match to be against Tyler Black instead of Doug Williams. Williams will now wrestle Claudio Castagnoli in the first round.
 
[quote name='JJSP']According to various reports floating around the internet (mostly message board rumors, from what I've read), Jimmy Rave has signed an appearance deal with TNA to appear at their upcoming PPV as well as the following Impact tapings. Anyone know anything else about that?[/quote]

Thats about as much as I've heard. I wonder how they'll use him. He could get over as a huge heel but knowing TNA they'll fuck that up too.
 
SD's Unforgiven main event was determined with this week's taping. It's going to be
Rey Mysterio vs. Khali for the world title
. Although it's nice to have someone else fighting for the title, just doesn't seem like a good idea.:???: I'm guessing he'll just get tossed around the ring for 20 minutes until Khali palms his head.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']SD's Unforgiven main event was determined with this week's taping. It's going to be
Rey Mysterio vs. Khali for the world title
. Although it's nice to have someone else fighting for the title, just doesn't seem like a good idea.:???: I'm guessing he'll just get tossed around the ring for 20 minutes until Khali palms his head.[/quote]Oh great. Didn't this kinda happen already, though?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I didn't catch all of ECW last night. Did Mike Knox appear on the show? I read a report that he was backstage earlier in the day.[/quote]

yea hopefully he can get some air time but i dont think he came out yesterday
 
Anybody think WWE will do what it did to ECW to ROH ?( as in steal some of its basic concepts, water it down, and brand it to a more widespread audience. Also steal some of its talent )
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Anybody think WWE will do what it did to ECW to ROH ?( as in steal some of its basic concepts, water it down, and brand it to a more widespread audience. Also steal some of its talent )[/quote]
When contracts start ending, I expect WWE to make some moves on the ROH roster. The problem is that the WWE is too much into their own to thing to steal the main thing ROH has to offer - namely an amazing workrate and wrestlers willing to kill themselves for the promotion.

The difference between ECW and ROH has become large.

ROH is turning a profit. They've sold out the Manhattan Center 5/5 times. They've successfully toured Europe and Japan (in front of over 2000 Japanese Fans). The main event isn't the only good match on the entire card. They're on PPV like ECW but unlike ECW, the shows aren't live and save the company a bunch of money. Lastly, the talent pool around the independent scene is big enough that even if 1/3 of the top ROH roster was picked up by TNA and ROH, ROH would be able to replace them.

Look at Bryan Danielson. For all intensive purposes, he had his eye broken last Saturday. ROH has provided him and all other contracted wrestlers medical coverage and I bet that goes a long away with the talent. ECW on the other hand was missing paychecks left and right. That's the difference.
 
No. They have way too much TV time every week as is (for starters), and I think it's wrong to say that Tuesday night even begins to contain the slightest semblance of the ECW "spirit." I've begun to side with Raven's paranoid scheming that this whole Sci-Fi thing is a way to stop crowds from chanting "E-C-DUB!" (which is has succeeded in doing remarkably).

Besides, ROH is a big indy at the moment, whereas TNA is closer to where ECW was (in terms of popularity) at its height. They won't touch ROH. Not right now, anyway.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No. They have way too much TV time every week as is (for starters), and I think it's wrong to say that Tuesday night even begins to contain the slightest semblance of the ECW "spirit." I've begun to side with Raven's paranoid scheming that this whole Sci-Fi thing is a way to stop crowds from chanting "E-C-DUB!" (which is has succeeded in doing remarkably).

Besides, ROH is a big indy at the moment, whereas TNA is closer to where ECW was (in terms of popularity) at its height. They won't touch ROH. Not right now, anyway.[/quote]
Dude the head RAW writer [SIZE=-1] Brian Gerwitz [/SIZE]and Johnny Ace, head of talent relations, were at the NYC show last Saturday. Trust me, they're paying attention.
 
pffffff. If you think there's a micron of ROH influence in the WWE, show me, cause I ain't seein' it, and I don't think we'll see it for a looong time. There's a better chance of "TL Hopper" coming back and pinning Triple H than there is of WWE becoming a company centered around workrate.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']pffffff. If you think there's a micron of ROH influence in the WWE, show me, cause I ain't seein' it, and I don't think we'll see it for a looong time. There's a better chance of "TL Hopper" coming back and pinning Triple H than there is of WWE becoming a company centered around workrate.[/quote]

Oh in terms of influence you're dead on. Nothing is going to change. But they're still paying attention.
 
Never said they weren't. CM Punk didn't get hired for his stellar work in TNA's version of Raven's Flock, you know. ;)

And I wouldn't be watching Colt Cabana on OVW every week if they weren't paying attention.
 
John Laurinitus is lobbying HARD for Sid Vicious to come back to the WWE. Ironic part is, Laurinitus is the guy who suggested for Sid to do a second rope boot in WCW. We all know how that turned out - it turned 90 degrees about mid-calf.
 
[quote name='JJSP']John Laurinitus is lobbying HARD for Sid Vicious to come back to the WWE. Ironic part is, Laurinitus is the guy who suggested for Sid to do a second rope boot in WCW. We all know how that turned out - it turned 90 degrees about mid-calf.[/quote]

Guilt?
 
Maybe he's trying to sabotage Sid. For all we know, he was in the back laughing his ass off as Sid rolled about in the ring.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']So is ROH like the new ECW?[/quote]

It's better. It's not about hardcore matches as much as an insane workrate.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']It's better. It's not about hardcore matches as much as an insane workrate.[/quote]

Wow. I have the first ROH on dvd (watched both ROH and TNA when they were first starting out). It had a lot of sick as hell matches on it. How is ROH situated? Monthly PPVs or a tv gig? I'd be interested in checking it out since WWE isn't all too hot right now.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']Wow. I have the first ROH on dvd (watched both ROH and TNA when they were first starting out). It had a lot of sick as hell matches on it. How is ROH situated? Monthly PPVs or a tv gig? I'd be interested in checking it out since WWE isn't all too hot right now.[/quote]
Mostly its centered on DVDs and live shows.

They had their first PPV - Respect is Earned - last July which was pretty damn good. Their second PPV is going to coming up soon in September - Ring of Honor "Driven".

http://www.indemand.com/viewProduct.jsp?prodId=69806&page_sectionId=2

The shows usually cost around 10$ to 15$ depending on where you live for 2 hours. This upcoming one is a must buy since they have a match of the year candidate on it: "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness.

The card is:

The Briscoe Brothers vs. Kevin Steen and El Generico
Takeshi Morishima vs. Jimmy Rave
Brent Albright vs. Pelle Primeau
Naomichi Marufuji vs, BJ Whitmer
Claudio Castagnoli vs, Matt Sydal
The No Remorse Corps (Roderick Strong, Davey Richards and Rocky Romero) vs. Delirious and The Resilience (Matt Cross and Erick Stevens)
Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness.

Their DVDs are usually 20$, but they also have $10 sales for specific shows. They also have buy 3 get 1 free at their live shows and sometimes online as well.

They update people who aren't at the live shows with video wires. Basically they're clips from events from the live shows from the weekend prior. Here is the last one.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMNV8PYxKn4[/media]
The third Ring of Honor PPV is being tape on September 15th in Chicago Ridge, IL.

World Tag Team Title Ladder Match
Jay & Mark Briscoe defend vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico

SHIMMER Grudge Tag Match
Daizee Haze & Amazing Kong vs. SHIMMER Champion Sara Del Rey & Lacey

Already signed: ROH World Champion Takeshi Morishima; Bryan Danielson; Nigel McGuinness; Naomichi Marufuji; Claudio Castagnoli; Chris Hero with Larry Sweeney, Tank Toland & Bobby Dempsey; Delirious; Austin Aries; Brent Albright; No Remorse Corps of Roderick Strong, Rocky Romero & Davey Richards; plus more to be added!!!

Since I see you're in Chicago, I would definitely suggest you attend. That ladder match is poised to be amazing and better than anything you will see on WWE Television or PPV. Right now General Admission tickets are $10.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:rofl: that's my laugh of the day.[/quote]
Everyone has their own tastes man. You like the World Wrestling Entertainment and that's cool.

I prefer Ring of Honor. They hardly have any hardcore matches though, unless there is some storyline built up behind it. The show on Saturday didn't have a single one. In fact the ones I saw live in May and July didn't either.

I'm not sure whats so funny though... could you elaborate?
 
[quote name='Blackout542']So is ROH like the new ECW?[/quote]

I gotta warn you about ROH. The wrestling is top notch but you'll notice that many wrestlers have similar styles, specifically... puro. That's actually one of the things I don't like about it, it's like watching 3 hours of American wrestlers trying to be Japanese wrestlers... not that that's a bad thing, it's just not what I'm into.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I gotta warn you about ROH. The wrestling is top notch but you'll notice that many wrestlers have similar styles, specifically... puro. That's actually one of the things I don't like about it, it's like watching 3 hours of American wrestlers trying to be Japanese wrestlers... not that that's a bad thing, it's just not what I'm into.[/quote]

Quite true. The style of ROH is very puro inspired. However if you've never seen puro it'll be quite new to you.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Quite true. The style of ROH is very puro inspired. However if you've never seen puro it'll be quite new to you.[/quote]

I want to start getting into ROH. I like puro, so I think I'd like ROH, any suggestions where to start?
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']
Since I see you're in Chicago, I would definitely suggest you attend.
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I wouldn't. Until you're 100% sure it's "your thing" I would strongly suggest not going to a show, as the fanbase is comprised of sickeningly elitist smarks who will pop for anything that resembles puro -- there's a reason they're called ROHbots, after all.
 
My whole problem with ROH as compared to ECW is that there's almost no angles in ROH. ECW had some truly legendary stuff, things that really broke new ground as to what wrestling could be. ROH's got a lot of great workers, but aside from maybe five guys, everyone seems like a clone of another guy. There's almost NO character development. It's like watching Impact with better matches.

I will say, though, that The Briscoes against Steenerico in a ladder match could be really cool.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I wouldn't. Until you're 100% sure it's "your thing" I would strongly suggest not going to a show, as the fanbase is comprised of sickeningly elitist smarks who will pop for anything that resembles puro -- there's a reason they're called ROHbots, after all.[/quote]
There's no way to be sure if it will be his thing until he goes to a show and sees for himself. In addition, The Briscoes and Kevin Steen and El Generico have been putting on amazing matches all year long and this ladder match is looking to be truly amazing. If the guy does go, I would suggest that's the only match he should be looking forward to. It's been a mix of Puro/American Brawling style. I would expect at least one spot that would make me grab my head and say, "I can't believe I just saw that." More likely, there will be several that will make me react like that.

I agree though about the "elist" comment. Other than the main event, I wasn't a complete fan of this last NYC show. When I mentioned this at the ROH board, I was shit on from all angles. Whatever though. It comes with the territory. They're getting new fans though who can't be classified as hardcore fans. Since they went on PPV, they're starting to get kids into seats during the shows and getting casual fans. I expect this trend to continue.

[quote name='MorbidAngel4Life']I want to start getting into ROH. I like puro, so I think I'd like ROH, any suggestions where to start?[/quote]
Fifth Year Festival - New York City

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ring-of-Honor-FIFTH-YEAR-FESTIVAL-NYC-2-16-07-DVD_W0QQitemZ160151759293QQihZ006QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's a solid show from last February from which a number of people are still on the roster. It has Takeshi Morishima's first ROH match, the current ROH world champion. It's a good introductory show.

Another couple I would suggest is Fifth Year Festival - Finale and Respect is Earned.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ring-of-Honor-FIFTH-YEAR-FESTIVAL-FINALE-3-4-07-DVD_W0QQitemZ160151760034QQihZ006QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ROH-Respect-Is-Earned-New-York-NY-5-12-07-DVD_W0QQitemZ330159234055QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1170QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Both have good cards and will suffice for introducing you to the roster.
 
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