Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='SynGamer']Just went and got the Purple Flame Shield, what do I need stats wise to use this without the 'Ability Shortage' message?[/QUOTE]

If you are viewing the item in your inventory you can hit sqaure and it will tell you the requirements..

If you view it in the equip screen hilight your current shield and hit x (not square to remvoe) and then you can see the difference the item you place in that slot will do over your current item...

Both these options are helpful.

[quote name='DarthPuma']Before I get any farther in the game, was hunter a good choice of class? I went for it for speed and the bow, but I don't want to put 20 hours in with her if it's a shit class.[/QUOTE]

I love that class. I rely on my bow pretty heavily for ranged but he his good at melee as well. I have over 20 hours and not too many things I cant take out... I can still die pretty easy, but thats the nature of this game... I am running ultra light gear as well. My equip burden is like 15 lbs or something.

I am getting better with magic, but where people on here were using soul arrow I just used arrows.

Its funny cause typically I will go for a thief or mage in games like this, however this time its a blend with a fully capable close combat fighter.
 
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[quote name='io']

I di dtry the axe method and I can see how it might work, but the problem is you end up knocking him back and have to readjust your position every time and once he gets backed up to the rocks you end up recoiling when you hit him (and the rocks). As I was only doing 15 or so damage with a normal axe I had that was going to take forever. And invariably I would mess up the timing and then be open to a one-shot kill without my shield up.

I may try to look at the axe upgrades and see if I can get anything to +5/+10 that way and maybe try it again. Any suggestions on axe upgrades? Ie, any special upgrade paths I should pursue?

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I am at a great axe +6 I wont upgrade further as I need to get faintstones to make it blessed. I think I was doing 134 dmg per hit with that.

You can get the recoil from the rocks then if that bothers you just back off and dodge him till you get his pattern down and know hes not going to swing twice... then when he misses go in an knock him down again.

I had him almost done the first time I faced him but that skeleton came from behind me and stunned me then he killed me.. it took me maybe 15 minutes from that point to get a good pattern on him. I would just run up and get him and the skeleton to come after me. I would dodge him and smack the skeleton twice to take him out... then its just me and the BP... I also tried to have a crescent falchion as my secondary weapon.. if he went to heal I switched and swung with that, so he could not heal.. Also if I hit him 4+ times in a row with the falchion he would start to bleed out. So that may help.

If your doing 15 per hit it would take a long time, thats for sure.

What level are you right now?

*edit nvermind I see that your around 60... I am slightly over you, its probably what we concentrated on in regards to stats.
 
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I think I need to do 3-1 instead of 2-2 because I'm playing the soldier class and don't have enough magical damage output to take down flamelurker. Any thoughts?
 
@io: Meat Cleaver is good. High dmg and does a stun.

For Flamelurker, magic is best, but you can use bows. Melee is tricky. Actually, I think Meat Cleaver works well here too since it causes the enemy to stagger allowing you to hit, heal, etc while they're stunned.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']I'm about 10 hours in and that's where I'm at too, just beat the
spider
in 2-1. Wait, Miranda is where? in 2-1? Are you referring to the tower with the platforms that are on an elevator? I died at least 5 times trying to get onto one because I finally managed to walk onto one instead of my character just jumping off :p

Also, is evacuate necessary? Couldn't I just go back the way I came (outrun my enemies) instead of wasting 20,000 souls on that right now?[/QUOTE]

Miralda is right at the start of 1-1 through the locked gate on the left (which opens when the WT is black or white and stays open afterwards, supposedly).

Evacuate is very convenient. I bought it around level 30-40 and don't regret that at all. There are times when simply going back is not possible without a lot of trouble (such as going down the pit to the right on 2-2). And it just saves you time in other places.

[quote name='SynGamer']Ranged attacks are a godsend. So Royalty is a good class to pick. Try to pick 3 stats and focus on those early on, Vitality should definitely be one those. The more HP you have, the better. Put Luck at 8 and leave it there, any more into that and it's a waste. Other than that, ALWAYS keep your shield up and Soul Arrow is your friend. Do NOT rush at enemies (unless they are down or backs to you --with thief's ring equipped--). Around corners especially be careful.

Also, the messages on the ground that players leave, be wary of what they say. Treasure ahead? Probably not, especially if there's a cliff in front of you ;) Beware of enemy ambush, better heed this warning.

My mistake in 1-1 was that I kept taking different routes after the first tower which lead to me dying often because I didn't know what to expect (and low level). If you have a decent amount of souls (a couple 1000 early on is decent), go back to the Nexus (the way you came should be clear of any enemies so long as you killed everything) and cash those souls in for some stat points :)[/QUOTE]

Well, I started off as Royalty and I don't think vitality is too important for that class since you are taking most things out at a distance. I'm level 60 and my vitality is only at 14 or so now. I put most of my points into intelligence and faith to get the spell slots up. I put in enough into strength to wield the purple flame shield (which given my low HP is crucial to be able to use well). And more recently I've been pumping up dexterity to increase my bow power. I'm finally able to one-shot crystal geckos which is nice. And the reaper on 4-1 only takes 2 shots now. I've put a handful of levels into endurance (so I could equip the light armor I wanted and still be able to roll/dodge well) and luck (just figured 10 was a nice round numbe to increase my drops slightly). The one I'd like to put more into is Magic so all my attacks are more powerful but I always find something else I'd rather do and much of my fighting more recently has been bow or melee.

I can see vitality being more important in the later part of the game but still, it doesn't add anything to your attack or magic and thus I find it hard to choose when upgrading as it won't really help me beat anything. It will just give a very small cushion for getting hit (and since many things kill me instantly when I screw up and don't have my shield up I'd probably have to put a lot into it and that seems wasteful).

[quote name='Snake2715']I am at a great axe +6 I wont upgrade further as I need to get faintstones to make it blessed. I think I was doing 134 dmg per hit with that.

You can get the recoil from the rocks then if that bothers you just back off and dodge him till you get his pattern down and know hes not going to swing twice... then when he misses go in an knock him down again.

I had him almost done the first time I faced him but that skeleton came from behind me and stunned me then he killed me.. it took me maybe 15 minutes from that point to get a good pattern on him. I would just run up and get him and the skeleton to come after me. I would dodge him and smack the skeleton twice to take him out... then its just me and the BP... I also tried to have a crescent falchion as my secondary weapon.. if he went to heal I switched and swung with that, so he could not heal.. Also if I hit him 4+ times in a row with the falchion he would start to bleed out. So that may help.

If your doing 15 per hit it would take a long time, thats for sure.

What level are you right now?

*edit nvermind I see that your around 60... I am slightly over you, its probably what we concentrated on in regards to stats.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I may try getting an axe to +6 (which should be no problem as I have like 60-70 of the lower level "common" shards) and then see how it goes against him. But I would wager that I'll still do significantly less damage than you. My strength is at 24 right now.

[quote name='gunm']@io: Meat Cleaver is good. High dmg and does a stun.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was looking at special weapons and this looked like a good one to get. I think it is the only use for the Adjudicator's soul, anyway, right? So I might as well make it soon. You can upgrade a bunch of stuff into that, right? OK, just checked the guide and you can do this from a pickaxe + 6 and I have plenty of these. But it also says just regular club and great club. Does that mean I can upgrade to the same stat Meat Cleaver using just an non-upgraded club? If so, that would be great - no wasting stones to get the other weapon to +6. Or is that just a typo? Also, it appears the Adjuticator's soul is used for the regeneration miracle too. Oh well, I have to play through again anyway so I'll just wait on that maybe.
 
Hmm, I beat 1-1 a while ago. Not sure where this NPC is though my WT is very dark. Is this person hard to beat? What do I gain from beating them?
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Hmm, I beat 1-1 a while ago. Not sure where this NPC is though my WT is very dark. Is this person hard to beat? What do I gain from beating them?[/QUOTE]

Start off at 1-1, and go to the left after passing the first set of barricades. There will be a regular dude there that attacks you from a little opening in the wall. Behind him are some stairs that lead to a (normally) locked gate. It should be open if you played level 1-1 in the black WT event. But if you didn't go there it might not be open.

I'm entirely sure what you get but you need to beat all the black phantom NPCs to get the friend's ring. There are also some goodies in that area (you can see a bunch of treasures down there if you go up towards the 1-1 boss door and look down the side over the wall behind you). And supposedly there is a colorless demon's soul on a corpse in there - those are very hard to get otherwise so you definitely want to snag that one. I've killed two primevil demons so far and gotten one colorless demon soul by sheer luck. The second I beat last night and I got nothing.
 
for the 1-1 black phantom, you get the guillotine axe. and you do not need to beat the phantoms to get the friend's ring. I have two of them, and I've only beaten 3 of the 5 phantoms.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']for the 1-1 black phantom, you get the guillotine axe. and you do not need to beat the phantoms to get the friend's ring. I have two of them, and I've only beaten 3 of the 5 phantoms.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what? Really? That's not what the guide says! Well, I guess you need to beat them anyway to get all the unique weapons but still, it would be nice to get that ring taken care of before that. I guess I'll go talk to the Monumental and see if I'm there yet (my CT seems to be pretty white right now though I've only done 2 of the 5).

SynGamer - yeah, get it to either black or white WT. Black is easier since you can just kill yourself (when in body form) in 1-1, then use stone of ephemeral eyes to resurrect (or help a person as a blue phantom), then repeat a few more times till it is black again. There's nothing wrong with suiciding - what's the problem? You get lots of stones of ephemeral eyes throughout the game.

Has anyone played yet again today to see what happened with the WT? Are they all reset to neutral, to what they were before, or what? Mine will be an interesting case because I had 4 of them still at pure black but one at near pure white (since I killed Rydell and then the primevil demon in world 3).
 
You don't need to beat Satsuki at all. You find what he drops elsewhere. But, the others, yeah, you need to beat them to get the unique weapons.
 
Need to get a bunch of souls to get a bajillion arrows to down the red dragon next. Actually, I just need enough time to do this.....of course, I was masochistic and decided to see what both the red-eyed knight and the executioner could do on 1-1....bad ideas. Ran everything in 1-1 without dying beyond those two...need to do some runs in 1-2 and 2-1.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']This suiciding thing doesn't seem to be working...[/QUOTE]
Because it must be to a mob and you need to return to the nexus each death.
 
If you want to get black faster, you could burn up some Stone of Ephemeral Eyes--dying to a mob in body form speeds this process up.
 
That fight is a war of attrition. Not sure if you have enough time to just run past her and grab the goodies and die, if that's all you really want.
 
I had her down to about 1/8th her health but she got too close and killed me. My soul arrow does hardly anything, about 24 per hit. I just stocked up on some fresh spices, should be able to take her out so long as I don't get too close.
 
Yeah, if you can whittle her down, then just stick with it.

How is your shield/block? If you have high hit res, you can block against her (except for the two hand swing, but you should be able dodge/evade).
 
Not really worth the aggravation. The game is slowly wearing me down too, I kind I have to will myself to enjoy the game more often than not.
 
Time for a break then.

Luckily we've got Modern Warfare 2 around the corner. I'll definitely stop playing when I receive that one.
 
[quote name='io']



Yeah, I may try getting an axe to +6 (which should be no problem as I have like 60-70 of the lower level "common" shards) and then see how it goes against him. But I would wager that I'll still do significantly less damage than you. My strength is at 24 right now.

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My strength is at 30. I have been raising my dex as well to increase my bow damage as well. I too can do 2 hit kills on the reapers... My magic is at 18 and my faith is 18 just so I can use the beast talisman.

You have probably upgraded a bit differently than me, but we are close to the same stats overall I would bet.

What armor are you going with? I am always thinking I should use more than the assins stuff, but its so light.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Because it must be to a mob and you need to return to the nexus each death.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='gunm']If you want to get black faster, you could burn up some Stone of Ephemeral Eyes--dying to a mob in body form speeds this process up.[/QUOTE]

Really? I've had no problem getting worlds to black simply by suiciding. It usually just takes a few times from neutral (returning to the Nexus in between each time of course). I thought maybe there were negative implications to your character tendency when dying from monsters. It doesn't seem to effect it when you suicide though.

[quote name='Snake2715']My strength is at 30. I have been raising my dex as well to increase my bow damage as well. I too can do 2 hit kills on the reapers... My magic is at 18 and my faith is 18 just so I can use the beast talisman.

You have probably upgraded a bit differently than me, but we are close to the same stats overall I would bet.

What armor are you going with? I am always thinking I should use more than the assins stuff, but its so light.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, not too far off. I think my strength is 24 and my dexterity is 20 or so. My intelligance and faith are in the 20's though - not using the beast one since it's stats are lower. I just switch out when necessary. I am wearing the black armor (I think that is the assassin's stuff, no?). Except I just switched in the Venerable Sage's robe for a little more protection (at the expense of poison resistance). That poison resistance stuff is fairly useless except for in 5-2 where it doesn't even seem to help that much (though maybe it is 10x worse without it - wouldn't know ;)).
 
Yeah I agree with io, I've been doing suicides with SoEE and I've had no problem getting black WT. I dunno where you guys are getting this 'dying to mobs' stuff from, but hari-kari has been workin' for me.
 
Yeah, if you die in body form, it doesn't matter if you do it or if a mob does it to you. It just tilts the WT faster.

Edit: btw, to clarify, you don't even need to die to a mob--you can spam suicide in soul form even, but being in body form supposedly makes it quicker. That's all I was trying to say.
 
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no, thats not right. dying in soul form doesnt affect WT at all. only dying in body forms affects WT. I'm pretty sure dying in ANY way in BODY form, whether its suicide or mob, will lower your WT toward black.
 
Yes, sorry you are right IRHari. Suicide in soul form doesn't affect WT, although I'm pretty sure getting killed by a mob in soul form does--not right away, but eventually if it happens enough. Anyway, I know dying to a boss in either form does in offline mode. Dying in body form does regardless of how.
 
I think I burnt myself out on this game. I've noticed I've beaten most enemies and bosses by kiting and using projectiles. Melee seriously sucks in this game for both leveling and getting through the game itself, especially in NG+. I've tried making different chars, but it seems you must at least have a 100% Pcut shield, a decent bow and arrow and some sort of magic. Meat Cleaver is probably mandatory as one progresses through the game because of the insane dmg mods and knockdown ability.

This of course leads to evenly distributing stats. But then everyone is in the same boat, wasting points for equip and magic purposes instead of using them on the stats they truly want to level up first.

Sure everyone eventually gets 99 in all stats, but I unfortunately am not going to reach that point in this lifetime.

I guess I'll be playing Borderlands in the meantime, while I wait for MW2.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Oh, maneater, how I hope the person that made you dies in a car crash.[/QUOTE]

I know you're kidding. At least, I hope you're kidding...

Reminds me of last night's game though. A-Rod got hit for the 3rd time in the series, and a good portion of the crowd (game was in Philly) started CHEERING. I know you don't like the guy, but c'mon, we can beat him legit without encouraging what was probably an accident.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Oh, maneater, how I hope the person that made you dies in a car crash.[/QUOTE]
I actually said the exact same thing out loud LOL!
 
[quote name='option.iv']Melee seriously sucks in this game for both leveling and getting through the game itself, especially in NG+. I've tried making different chars, but it seems you must at least have a 100% Pcut shield, a decent bow and arrow and some sort of magic. Meat Cleaver is probably mandatory as one progresses through the game because of the insane dmg mods and knockdown ability.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, melee is only for those who challenge themselves to master it. Ranged is for the meek. ;)

Meat Cleaver is quite possibly the best weapon in the game since it gets huge bonuses from STR and DEX as well as some from Faith. To top it off, it has a passive health regen from each strike IIRC. It's a very situational weapon though, because of it's extremely slow attack (even holding it 2H). It dominates the 5-3 boss for sure though.
 
It's annoying that I sit around the beginning of 3-2 for 20 minutes and one soul sign pops up, and apparently this guy is waiting from a friend because he leaves as soon as I summon him (I get a lot of that).
 
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