Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='ChernobylCow']Be a real man and use the wiki pages that were made for the Chinese version. :booty:[/QUOTE]


Haha yeah... and when it says vicious bow you look around like wtf is a vicious bow... that's NOT IN MY GAME! Must have a broken copy... ;)
 
[quote name='ChernobylCow']Walk-through weenies!


Be a real man and use the wiki pages that were made for the Chinese version. :booty:[/QUOTE]

Actually, that is what I was following (well, one on gamefaqs anyway but I think it is the same) but it didn't have the suicide advise and I find the engrish (though it was probably written by an English speaker - just one with bad writing skills ;)) combined with stuff like the "viscous" bow to make it confusing. It is much clearer in the guide.
 
[quote name='io']Actually, that is what I was following (well, one on gamefaqs anyway but I think it is the same) but it didn't have the suicide advise and I find the engrish (though it was probably written by an English speaker - just one with bad writing skills ;)) combined with stuff like the "viscous" bow to make it confusing. It is much clearer in the guide.[/QUOTE]


Hmm, official wiki says that Asian Demons souls and NA Demon Souls may be different due to some changes..
 
This has to be the first game in a long time to get me to buy it solely on hype. I was interested when I heard about it but following this thread and reading the reviews definitely sold me. Just ordered my copy from goHastings.com for 65.98 shipped. Looking forward to playing next week :)
 
[quote name='SynGamer']This has to be the first game in a long time to get me to buy it solely on hype. I was interested when I heard about it but following this thread and reading the reviews definitely sold me. Just ordered my copy[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the club! Certainly hope you enjoy it... hate to hear if you got it based on hype and end up hating it. I'm still loving it.
 
I've finished everything but 1-4. I think I'm going to run through it a dozen times before fighting the boss to level up before the final boss.

How does equipped magic work on new game +? Does it reset you to your default magic, or whatever magic you had equipped during the final boss? Or is the magic person start out in the nexus so you can change through 1-1? Which brings up another thought, does everyone that needed to be saved, return to needing saving?

Also, the wiki lied to me. It said that dark moon grass refills your MP too, and it doesn't. :(
 
Man, I love how I barely got through 4-1 yesterday, and pussied out before the boss. Today, I beat 2-2 and 3-1, then went back to 4-1. I didn't have all that much higher stats (mebbe 6 soul levels?) and used the same exact weapon... and rocked the whole level and the boss like it was nothing. It's been a hella long time since I felt that I was doing well at a game not just cuz I power leveled, but because my actual skill was increasing. Too bad the chances of a sequel are only slightly higher than Shenmue 3...
 
I wouldn't discount a sequel. The game did fairly well in Japan and seems to be doing well here (on top of stellar reviews). These are the people that made King's Field 1 - 4!
 
This game is too much fun. I don't even care that it's hard. The only thing that annoys me when I play this game is when I always run out of time before I want to quit. Hell I spent 2 or 3 hours on 3-1 today (I think I got pretty far before I fell down some really dark hole in the ground) and I just want to go back and play it some more.

And one more thing. In 3-1
I was summoned as a boss twice in a row. The first time nothing happened after 5 minutes and I left. The second time the guy died before he got to me so I got my body back and that ridiculous tornado-turban thing for doing nothing.
Pretty slick right?

And one more thing. To answer my question of are ranged weapons necessary it seems to me like they really are. Once again in 3-1
there's that one giant corpse ball that shoots magic at you and beats the crap out of you when you get close (one shotted me while I was helping someone in spirit form). Without arrows I would have to just run past him and there's no way I'm leaving a giant corpse ball alive.
 
No, there's no demo in the Jpn store. I don't think they're gonna make one special just for the US.

Wow, we're already talking about Demon's Souls 2?? You guys are hardcore. :p
 
lol, I'm just saying that this game is easily good enough to warrant a sequel. And Saint Noir brings up a good point. From Software has a track record of making sequels to games regardless of if they sell insanely well or not (hell, u can't tell me Armored Core is that big of a hit in the US). And this game is at least selling well to the hardcore crowd, so I have hope.

And for people on 3-1 having difficulties with
the corpse ball or whatever its called, which I like to refer to as Legion like in Castlevania
Spears also damage it well, so just dodge it's projectile, move in close for a few hits, and when it starts flailing with blades, wait for the arms to retract inside and for it to fire another blast. Repeat. Only took me like 2 reps with a Winged Spear +4 at the time.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']Welcome to the club! Certainly hope you enjoy it... hate to hear if you got it based on hype and end up hating it. I'm still loving it.[/QUOTE]

It sounds rewarding. I hate difficult RPGs where the puzzles are ridiculously hard or the bosses get like 5 turns in a row. So an action RPG like this sounds right up my alley. Plus, Atlus usually publishes good games and From Software is a good developer so I think it's a solid purchase. Not to mention this game is getting some great reviews.
 
Personally, I'd like if they made a game like Robot Alchemic Drive for the PS3, since I loved taking down blocks of downtown Senjo when I got annoyed with the storyline.

I'd love a giant robot fighting game that takes place in the middle of a busy city with a destructible enviro.

Oh and SynGamer, you could have my import copy for $45 shipped and save $20. :razz:
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Personally, I'd like if they made a game like Robot Alchemic Drive for the PS3, since I loved taking down blocks of downtown Senjo when I got annoyed with the storyline.

I'd love a giant robot fighting game that takes place in the middle of a busy city with a destructible enviro.

Oh and SynGamer, you could have my import copy for $45 shipped and save $20. :razz:[/QUOTE]

Meh, not really a fan of imports. I want full English :) Plus, there seems to be some differences between the versions so I want to make sure if I need help I can ask for it here versus elsewhere.
 
Well I knocked out 1-2 and 4-1 yesterday. I have started 2-1 as well.

My play time is already in the 16 hour range... the thing is I leave the game running and walk away sometimes and I probably shouldnt, but it is obviously counting that time as well.

Or I will leave to a nexus and make a run to the store or cook something and its like 1-2 hours before I start it up again.


Loving the game so far... i have to imagine its one that if you step away for any length of time you will get your butt handed to you.

I was away this weekend (Kings Island) and I played pretty far into 4-1 on Friday night. We left saturday morning and I didnt play again until Monday afternoon. It took me another hour or so to even get back to where I was getting Friday.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Meh, not really a fan of imports. I want full English :) Plus, there seems to be some differences between the versions so I want to make sure if I need help I can ask for it here versus elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the game IS full English, but the back of the coverart and the manual are in a mix of Chinese and English. But it comes with a 'cheat sheet' for the controls, plus you have the tutorial level to get acquainted with the controls too.

So, what kind of differences have they found between the versions? Anything major?

Oh and Snake, others have said that if you quit from the in-game menu and not by pressing the Playstation button that the game saves as it exits to the title screen and when you restart you should start where you left off with all enemies you already killed being still dead.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Actually, the game IS full English, but the back of the coverart and the manual are in a mix of Chinese and English. But it comes with a 'cheat sheet' for the controls, plus you have the tutorial level to get acquainted with the controls too.

So, what kind of differences have they found between the versions? Anything major?[/QUOTE]

Not sure of exact differences, but I've seen posts about differences between the Asian version and American. Better to be safe than sorry considering this will be the first hardcore action/RPG I'll have played in a while.
 
I just wanted to throw the offer out there, just in case anyone else is even considering this game and doesn't care about artbooks or guides. Let me know if you find a site stating the differences though, as I'd like to see what they are.
 
[quote name='BlueScrote']ugh. I've died a bunch of times on 4-1 on pure accident by the ledges. It doesn't help that the manta rays keep harassing me, and I can't reliably shoot them down.[/QUOTE]
Use the thief's ring and they will almost never shoot at you again.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Not sure of exact differences, but I've seen posts about differences between the Asian version and American. Better to be safe than sorry considering this will be the first hardcore action/RPG I'll have played in a while.[/QUOTE]

I think the names of some items changed. The servers for the import are import servers(Not that that matters, you cant choose who helps you anyway).

The game is very similar in other aspects.
 
[quote name='io']Man, I couldn't play last night because I had work to catch up on. Now I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms ;).

So, I started using the "Perfect Run Walkthrough" in the guide last time I was playing. I may have started just a bit too late as I didn't commit suicide in Stonefang tunnel after a couple of the bosses though (at first I was trying for pure white so I committed suicide only in the Nexus). I hope this doesn't hose me up for both the black AND white events...

Is anyone else following along with that?[/QUOTE]
Pro-Tip: WT does not reset during your next playthrough, so if you can't get pure white this round, just get it the next. I'm on my NG++ and nothing can kill me anymore. I've not died once and every world is pure white so far. They weren't kidding when they said the biggest leap in difficulty is NG+, because this round feels easier than when I started the game. Of course, everything being pure white makes a huge difference as well.

Once I'm done collecting everything from pure white, I'll take the plunge into darkness. :twisted:
 
[quote name='ChernobylCow']Does the meat cleaver fall into that category?[/QUOTE]
Yes, think pyramid head cleaver from Silent Hill. It's badass.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']Haha yeah... and when it says vicious bow you look around like wtf is a vicious bow... that's NOT IN MY GAME! Must have a broken copy... ;)[/QUOTE]
Actually, it's viscous as in thickness of fluids.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I've finished everything but 1-4. I think I'm going to run through it a dozen times before fighting the boss to level up before the final boss.

How does equipped magic work on new game +? Does it reset you to your default magic, or whatever magic you had equipped during the final boss? Or is the magic person start out in the nexus so you can change through 1-1? Which brings up another thought, does everyone that needed to be saved, return to needing saving?[/QUOTE]
1-4 enemies give shit tons of high-end herbs and souls, so it's a great grind spot. Make sure you lock in the spells/miracles you want for 1-1 in NG+, because you will not be able to switch them until you beat that boss again. Also, you will be carrying all the souls you get from 1-4, so if you're scared of being invaded just Nexus suicide before going on. I'm so high level now, nobody ever invades me. :(

Speaking of which, I checked last night and I'm ranked #11 in World Uniter's and #14 in Most Souls Collected. If I understand the Pantheon correctly, that's a ranking of the entire US server, right? I was pretty shocked I ranked that high because when I was doing NG+ I was #4 in World Uniter's! Locally, I've always been #1 lol.

Just look for RaidenTR if you're ever up there, that's me with the big ass sword!
 
[quote name='DrFoo']And one more thing. To answer my question of are ranged weapons necessary it seems to me like they really are. Once again in 3-1
there's that one giant corpse ball that shoots magic at you and beats the crap out of you when you get close (one shotted me while I was helping someone in spirit form). Without arrows I would have to just run past him and there's no way I'm leaving a giant corpse ball alive.
[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's not needed as long as you back out in time. I've always just used a dragon sword on it and dodge rolled backwards once the arms pop out again. Quickness is key to killing it without being hit.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Jodou,

How many hours have you played so far?[/QUOTE]
Last night I was up to 65 hours played and Uncharted 2 is taking a backseat for this game tonight. I'd say a good five hours was just eating, being AFK, or reading a strat though.
 
Going to hopefully start a character tonight. Any CAG advice?



p.s. I realize the thread probably answers this questions. But it's now almost 800 posts long.
 
If you want an easier time at the start, start with the royal (starts with soul arrow , which is ranged magic, and MP regen ring). Otherwise, it is up to you.
 
Do you guys mind explaining how the "co-op" works in this game? Not so much about the rules or gameplay--more about the network technology behind it. I understand that random players will be interacting with you throughout your game, and I just don't get how this works, being that I'm an Xbox Live gamer and something like this simply isn't possible there (I assume), unless they're your friends. Demon's Souls is obviously very innovative, but I haven't been able to find any discussion about what's going on behind the scenes. Does anyone care to give a fairly in-depth description, or could maybe direct me to one?
 
[quote name='ProggleRock']Do you guys mind explaining how the "co-op" works in this game? Not so much about the rules or gameplay--more about the network technology behind it. I understand that random players will be interacting with you throughout your game, and I just don't get how this works, being that I'm an Xbox Live gamer and something like this simply isn't possible there (I assume), unless they're your friends. Demon's Souls is obviously very innovative, but I haven't been able to find any discussion about what's going on behind the scenes. Does anyone care to give a fairly in-depth description, or could maybe direct me to one?[/QUOTE]
When you enter the game, your instance on the server matches you with similar soul level players. I'm not sure if this works in brackets or if they just randomly toss you into an instance that isn't full. This is only possible because of dedicated servers not unlike those of MMOs.

One thing I have noticed is that there must be a either a memory limitation per sitting or that instances can become low-pop after people in yours quit, because after a while of playing I just stop seeing messages and other players altogether. At first I thought this was just because I out-leveled everyone, but as soon as I quit and load my save I instantly start seeing tons of stuff again.
 
I just did some research on the Pantheon and it is indeed a hall of fame. Man, I can't stop playing now until I'm #1! Something I forgot to mention is that not only is it a ranking system, but you can completely inspect those players. It records stats, equipment, spell/miracle list, deaths (I have around 250 but more than half of that is instance reset suiciding rofl), trophies collected, even hours played! Some dude named Kane has almost two billion souls when I checked last night and I'm only 1/4th of that lol.

Well, that answers my question as to why I'm not able to find PvP anymore since I'm in the top echelon of players. :\
 
[quote name='ProggleRock']Do you guys mind explaining how the "co-op" works in this game? Not so much about the rules or gameplay--more about the network technology behind it. I understand that random players will be interacting with you throughout your game, and I just don't get how this works, being that I'm an Xbox Live gamer and something like this simply isn't possible there (I assume), unless they're your friends. Demon's Souls is obviously very innovative, but I haven't been able to find any discussion about what's going on behind the scenes. Does anyone care to give a fairly in-depth description, or could maybe direct me to one?[/QUOTE]

Watch this video... this is what made me buy it for sure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_OICVhKIQ&feature=player_profilepage
 
Jodou have you gotten the Foe's ring yet? It's the only ring I have to collect but I know its gonna be a huge hassle to go from pure white CT (where I am now) to pure black CT just for that one ring.

lemme know if you have, I'd be interested in doing a quick trade just to activate the rogue trophy.
 
Anyone got any tips on Maneater? fucker keeps killing me in like 2 hits. I saw on the walkthrough on gamefaqs that
you can shoot arrows through the fog to take out the first one. Cheap, but I did it. But then the second one appears and I still have to deal with one. The same guide said that if you hide behind the brazier, he can't hit you with his attacks or spells, but you can hit through with your spear... Um, I can hit him with my spear sometimes and he can most def. hit me through the fire
This guy is really starting to piss me off in a way that Flamelurker (only other boss I've had a problem with) never did. At least with Flamelurker I got his HP down to a sliver and then usually died cuz I got greedy, but I can't even land hits on this bastard!
 
Dammit, I didn't realize you couldn't go into the lava AT ALL in 2-2. I thought you could because there was an item out there. How do you get that?

I am kind of pissed because here's what happened. I played for a long time fighting bugbears and such and got about 15,000 souls (a lot more than I had ever gotten before without returning). I even did the bit where you jump down to where the black phantom is supposed to be. I sniped the two crystal lizards, etc... Then I figured out how to get back to the lava tubes (which was not easy and the online guide was dead wrong about it). I fought more bugbears in all those tunnels which was time consuming as I had to wait for my MP to regen.

Then I went out to a lava area and killed a bugbear who dropped a treasure right at the edge of the lava. I went to get it and just as I bent over to get it I thought I got killed by one of the stupid flying bugs. So I went all the way back there again (a bit easier as I went the other way - still had to kill bugbears though). I collected even more souls and then got to that spot, killed the bugbear, put the flame resistance ring on, then walked the edge. This time i died again but wasn't attacked. I realized then that I had been killed by the lava not the stupid bug :bomb:. So I started back up again and by this time it was really late (like 5am last night) and I got sloppy and the stupid fat minister in the mines killed me because I didn't roll fast enough :bomb:.

This was my first fuck fuck fuckity fuck almost-throw-the-controller-through-the-TV moment in this game. I lost about 20,000 souls which I could have used to buy the evacuate spell. Dammit. At least you keep your items so I kept all the shards and whatnot I had collected. But damn...

So, anyway, there is an item way out in the lava - how do you get that?
 
Oh, also, I think I may have killed the primeval demon in 1-2 a long ways back. Are they always there or do they just show up when it goes pure black? If it is always there I may have done that early on when I got that elevator going. And I'm trying to follow the perfect walkthrough. I don't remember the online guide (which also has you going through the world tendency events) warning me about that though - it mentioned activating the elevator but didn't say not to use it. I of course went down there because I was exploring. So now am I screwed for getting it back to white again? Maybe that's why Stonefang tunnel is so white for me now (while I'm trying to get it black). In fact, I may have hosed up my white tendency event there because I killed myself after I did that not realizing I was probably at pure white at that point... Damn... Can I go ahead with the other worlds and just do that one later or do you need to get them all black at once for something (or at least in order)?
 
don't worry too much about 20,000 souls. I don't know how far you are, but if you can get through 4-1 (which really isn't bad other than the dual wielding skeletons) you can rake in the souls in 4-2 very easily in just the opening section, suicide, repeat, collecting your bloodstain souls every time. In less than 10 minutes I raked in at least 20,000. Now I'm kinda pissed that the enemies in 5-1 and 3-2 (which are my next targets for beating) don't give nearly as many souls. I died at the boss in 3-2 after clearing the entire level and lost ~14,000 souls, but it's not nearly as big of a loss as that many would have been at the beginning.

Those bugbears do take way way way too long to kill for the number of souls they give though...
 
Yeah. All of 3 is weak on souls.

As for the stuff in the lava... use water veil or whatever spell AND ring of flame resistance and it should allow you to run out there long enough to grab one and back. Heal. Repeat. Lots of chunks of dragonstone among other things are out there.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Anyone got any tips on Maneater? [/QUOTE]

I just beat him. I did pretty much what you said and
used my ranged attack on the other side of the fire. If he came close to charge I would roll away a few times, he would fly around, land and we would repeat. I peg him with shots, he charges, I roll, etc. Wish I could have killed the first one in time, then the second doesn't come!
Love 3 for it's creepiness and magic items. Don't like lack of souls!
 
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