Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='ChibiJosh']io: For the key by the arrow shooting statue, the key is right next to the start of the bridge leading up to the statue. You don't need to get up to it. Once you get the key, the door it unlocks leads you around the back of the statue where you can turn it off.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Do this... don't try to walk into the arrow death. The key is right at the edge. You may already even have it and don't realize it. Check the locked doors!

Literally... there will be the path of arrow death... the corpse right there in front at the cross point is what you want. You don't need to head by or into the arrow path. You can grab it without getting hit or needing to block.
 
Just got a Ps3 monday, perfect timing for this fan-fuckin-tastic game.

My only slight gripe is that I wish more of the bosses were harder to just stand over or way away from and blast with spells.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']io: For the key by the arrow shooting statue, the key is right next to the start of the bridge leading up to the statue. You don't need to get up to it. Once you get the key, the door it unlocks leads you around the back of the statue where you can turn it off.[/QUOTE]

Well, fuck, after my experience with the lava where I picked up something right on the edge and insta-died I thought that was just a bit too far out to grab. And yet I rolled past the arrows successfully to get treasure on the other side :lol:.

Why is it neither the FAQ nor the guide mentions this obvious thing! I didn't touch the treasure there because I thought I'd go into the painfully long "picking things up" animation and get killed by the arrows when I did that :bomb:.

The FAQ says to walk slowly which makes no sense as you don't even need to go into the arrows. The guide says the key is "in front" of the statue which that first treasure most certainly is not (it is way far away from it at the back).

Grrr... Oh well, I don't seem to have too much trouble with those mind flayers or whatever they are (though the guide calls them "Octopus Men" for some reason ;)) so I guess I can grind back there again.

A question - does your bloodstain with the souls remain even if you go back to the Nexus and go to other worlds as long as you don't die again, or do you have to go get it right away within the same level? This one isn't too big a deal (only 2400 souls or so) but I left there and went to farm the mini-phalanx for a while so I felt like I could make some progress before quitting last night.
 
I am pretty sure the blood stain will still be there. I just did that by accident and was relieved that my stain was still there. Just don't die.
 
[quote name='Jodou']I haven't because I'm focusing on finishing off the pure white events. My NG++ is all pure white now, so I'm going to check 5-1 for Istarelle tonight. Finally got magical sword 'makoto' last night as well.

Question: the boss for 5-3 is supposed to spawn a black phantom of Vinland after you collect Astraea's pureblood soul. Do you actually have to kill her for this event in pure white or can you just let her suicide after killing Vinland the first time? The wiki is pretty vague since you can fight the boss either way.[/QUOTE]

In order to even get the black phantom Gael Vinland to spawn in 5-3,
you have to talk to Selen Vinland in 5-2. She'll only show up in Pure White WT. Once you do, after you beat Maiden Astraea (doesn't matter what method you use) and collect her soul, once you either load the game or leave and come back Gale Vinland should appear in the same area he did before. As long as you talked to Selen and got the quest mission.
 
I am so far behind you guys, but its still fun to catch up in this thread... I took out 2-1 last night... So thats only 1-1,1-2, 2-1, and 4-1... oh well.

I will get there, just dont have a ton of time to devot to gaming.

Uncharted 2 is sitting there sealed, but I will not play it until I have beat this game.
 
So far I've beaten 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1. The tower was by far the creepiest/most oppressive. The guys who followed you around praising you are obnoxious too.
 
Geez, the way you guys keep talking about this game, I had to buy it from Amazon last night. Just got my copy a little over a hour ago and I'm ready to get my ass kicked after I beat Uncharted 2 tonight.

Hope to see you guys online in some shape or form, haha.
 
I still say the coolest enemies I've seen so far are in world 3.
Mindlayers, complete with "FWOOP" and brain eating straight outta D&D. Legion (ie, ball of dudes) like out of Castlevania. Too cool.
 
[quote name='io']
A question - does your bloodstain with the souls remain even if you go back to the Nexus and go to other worlds as long as you don't die again, or do you have to go get it right away within the same level? This one isn't too big a deal (only 2400 souls or so) but I left there and went to farm the mini-phalanx for a while so I felt like I could make some progress before quitting last night.[/QUOTE]

It'll still be there as long as you die. And just in case you missed this, in regards to the 3-1 boss
you have to make sure to kill the person in the top of the second tower that's behind the arrow statue or else the boss is unbeatable.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']It'll still be there as long as you die. And just in case you missed this, in regards to the 3-1 boss
you have to make sure to kill the person in the top of the second tower that's behind the arrow statue or else the boss is unbeatable.
[/QUOTE]

Good tip for everyone to follow. Would suck to
be hammering away and using all your items for nothing.

Probably will go through 5 tonight. Don't know for sure. Haven't even visited it yet, for some reason I am scared of it. It is the only thing left for me save 1-4.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']Good tip for everyone to follow. Would suck to
be hammering away and using all your items for nothing.

Probably will go through 5 tonight. Don't know for sure. Haven't even visited it yet, for some reason I am scared of it. It is the only thing left for me save 1-4.[/QUOTE]

5 does suck. 5-1 has tons of places to fall in it, and enemies in hiding. 5-2 has you walking through a poison bog most of the time, so be sure to bring a ring of poison resistence, and at the end you can knock down a bridge that will take you back to the beginning so if you have to do it again, you can skip the whole poison bog part.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']For whoever has fought a primeval demon, are they fast/slow, use short/long range attacks?.[/QUOTE]
Ive killed a bunch of them they dont even attack that Im aware of at least they never attacked me.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']I still say the coolest enemies I've seen so far are in world 3.
Mindlayers, complete with "FWOOP" and brain eating straight outta D&D. Legion (ie, ball of dudes) like out of Castlevania. Too cool.
[/QUOTE]

That bell sound when they're near is a great effect too.
 
[quote name='blissskr']Ive killed a bunch of them they dont even attack that Im aware of at least they never attacked me.[/QUOTE]

I s'pose I should've looked in the guide. It says they're "completely harmless"
 
Just beat the 3-3 boss. All I have to say, is fuck you "DemonlordX" (I think that was the invader's name). fuck you and your mother, you garbage eating piece of shit. All the fucker did was dance his ass around the whole time. Since I use a spear, I couldn't hit him with it, and I suck at the push thing to knock his shield out of the way, so my weapon was damned useless. I don't have any big damange spells yet, so I had to soul arrow the fucker to death... slowly. I had to have used like 15 spices just to keep my mana up. I think he hit me maybe twice, as he rarely attacked. Just danced around. AAARRGGGHHH. Took me about 25 minutes just to widdle his health down. He was easy as hell, but boooooring and just took too damned long. DemonlordX, whoever you are, I fucking hate you. /end rant

Anywho, all I gots left now is 1-4, 4-2 (damn you
laser eye shadows
) 4-3, and all of 5.

Is seeking soul arrow (or whatever its called) worth it? Mana cost seems way high. Does it do significantly more damage than soul arrow, or is it just the same spell with seeking, for a hella lot more cost?

Ugh, time to zone out with some DQIV before I rage smash something.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Fast, hard DPS while warding is up. Just make sure to position yourself so that you can recover easily, even if that means approaching from the front. I can't imagine doing this fight without warding on.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. Why did I have to use the iron and swollen demon's souls? Never again. At least not until I check the wiki.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']

Is seeking soul arrow (or whatever its called) worth it? Mana cost seems way high. Does it do significantly more damage than soul arrow, or is it just the same spell with seeking, for a hella lot more cost?
[/QUOTE]
Depending on your magic, it'll shoot 5 soul arrows at once. It's pretty useful, but has a shorter range than normal soul arrow and can still be dodged pretty easily.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Is seeking soul arrow (or whatever its called) worth it? Mana cost seems way high. Does it do significantly more damage than soul arrow, or is it just the same spell with seeking, for a hella lot more cost?[/QUOTE]

My 3-3 was lame too.

As for this spell, I skipped it this playthrough. The higher your magic level the more soul arrows come out to home. If it is worth it or not needs to be addressed by someone who grabbed it.

EDIT - And it was above.

EDIT 2 - Man,
the black phantom is 5-2 is a pain. I killed her the second time no problem, but I fumbled a button the first time and one shot took 90% of my health. That's a major blow!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I'm up to soul level 89 and their must not be many other people cause I got summoned to the same guys 3-3 level twice in a row. The first time I almost felt bad cause I killed him in about half a minute and after getting my body back I fell down a pit like an idiot and died, so I put down my blue stone again, the second time he didn't even make it up stairs to fight me. I've now got 5 of those weird turbans but have only fought 1 person, they usually die early. btw chibi I played with you yesterday. You ran straight into the dragons fire in 1-4 and died it was pretty funny
 
I'm up to 92 right now.

Yeah, I know. I was talking about it in the IRC before Fat Princess. Evergoo asked if you were any good and that if you were he'd have to draft you into his FP team. Unfortunately, Kandal picked you first. I could not get past that dragon in 1-4 no matter what. I eventually got someone to kill it for me. I got it down to half health with soul arrow, but once it moved, I couldn't hit it. So, I found a phantom that was good with a bow to kill it the rest of the way.

Yeah, I frequently end up summoning the same phantom two or more times. The same guy just invaded me twice in a row actually, luckily, it's a good black phantom. I just hanging around at the beginning and he/she is running around killing everything on 1-3 for me.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Just beat the 3-3 boss. All I have to say, is fuck you "DemonlordX" (I think that was the invader's name). fuck you and your mother, you garbage eating piece of shit. All the fucker did was dance his ass around the whole time. Since I use a spear, I couldn't hit him with it, and I suck at the push thing to knock his shield out of the way, so my weapon was damned useless. I don't have any big damange spells yet, so I had to soul arrow the fucker to death... slowly. I had to have used like 15 spices just to keep my mana up. I think he hit me maybe twice, as he rarely attacked. Just danced around. AAARRGGGHHH. Took me about 25 minutes just to widdle his health down. He was easy as hell, but boooooring and just took too damned long. DemonlordX, whoever you are, I fucking hate you. /end rant

Anywho, all I gots left now is 1-4, 4-2 (damn you
laser eye shadows
) 4-3, and all of 5.

Is seeking soul arrow (or whatever its called) worth it? Mana cost seems way high. Does it do significantly more damage than soul arrow, or is it just the same spell with seeking, for a hella lot more cost?

Ugh, time to zone out with some DQIV before I rage smash something.[/QUOTE]


wow that is some serious gamer hate right there lol.
 
Got angry at the game for real for maybe the first time. I beat 5-3 boss
from above, I wasn't about to get into it with Garl. I go down to collect my spoils and didn't realize the extent of the plague baby infestation nor how little I could move in that muck. I died, having just been restored, and screwed up my WT. So, no more BP Garl or his sister with the shield quest. Boo to that.
 
Yeah, that stuff sucks. I died in it like 3 times attempting to get the items around the area and still wasn't able to get it all and eventually just forgot about it.
 
For anyone in the Ventura County area, there's a small shop in the Simi Valley area off of the Erringer freeway exit called the "Game Exchange" that is selling the deluxe for 59.99. Just a heads up.
 
thanks for the info on the soul arrow upgrade. I'm thinking of putting the yellow demon's soul into an infinity catalyst instead then, and getting the upgraded soul arrow in NG+.
 
[quote name='io']A question - does your bloodstain with the souls remain even if you go back to the Nexus and go to other worlds as long as you don't die again?[/QUOTE]Yes.

[quote name='IRHari']In order to even get the black phantom Gael Vinland to spawn in 5-3,
you have to talk to Selen Vinland in 5-2. She'll only show up in Pure White WT. Once you do, after you beat Maiden Astraea (doesn't matter what method you use) and collect her soul, once you either load the game or leave and come back Gale Vinland should appear in the same area he did before. As long as you talked to Selen and got the quest mission.
[/QUOTE]
Nah, didn't even need to talk to her, as he was just waiting for me the second time I entered. He's supposed to be harder, but he never even came close to touching me since he doesn't move lol. I'm not so sure you can do the fight either way, because my brother killed Astraea first and then Garl Vinland in his pure white and Vinland didn't return after that for him.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']5 does suck. 5-1 has tons of places to fall in it, and enemies in hiding. 5-2 has you walking through a poison bog most of the time, so be sure to bring a ring of poison resistence, and at the end you can knock down a bridge that will take you back to the beginning so if you have to do it again, you can skip the whole poison bog part.[/QUOTE]
I really hate that world, just because clearing the trash reminds me of WoW. It's so annoying.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Wow, when they said Soulsucker was short range, they weren't kidding. Luckily, it doesn't take any MP if you miss.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of which, I just got my INT up to 40 last night for the sixth spell slot and OMFG am I a farming machine with it. I took world 4 to pure black and I can farm 200k souls in three minutes using soul thirst and soul sucker. Pro-tip for using soulsucker: do a backstab to knock the enemy down, rush it, and immediately start casting soulsucker. They will stand up right into it and instantly die.

In 4-2, the black phantom ninja skeleton guy gives me 77k souls alone and each of the gold skeletons are worth 44k. Man, if only the silver bracelet were unisex, I could be racking in even more per run. I'm to the point where every run is a stat point, which is just silly.
 
The dual wielding skeleton in 4-2 is killer. I've killed him once so far, and hes killed me a bunch of times. Nothing seems to hurt him, and his lunging attack can kill me in one hit.
 
Any skeleton is weak to fire, I believe. So use a fire spell or a dragon weapon if possible.

Question that I know has been answered... does WT and CT reset between games?

Is it a bad idea to get to
black character tendency in my first play through (I'm going to farm a bit before beating 1-4, all that's left) and do Mephistopheles' murder quest before I beat the game? Is it better to save that until after you have done the pure white CT?
Thoughts?
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']Question that I know has been answered... does WT and CT reset between games?[/QUOTE]No, they do not.
 
[quote name='redshadow']For anyone in the Ventura County area, there's a small shop in the Simi Valley area off of the Erringer freeway exit called the "Game Exchange" that is selling the deluxe for 59.99. Just a heads up.[/QUOTE]

Thanks man, I'm in Woodland Hills. I never heard of that shop
 
[quote name='Jodou']No, they do not.[/QUOTE]

What I thought. Just checking. Guess I will not do the other thing out of fear of not reaching white CT.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']thanks for the info on the soul arrow upgrade. I'm thinking of putting the yellow demon's soul into an infinity catalyst instead then, and getting the upgraded soul arrow in NG+.[/QUOTE]
Insanity catalyst halves your MP. I think the Tailsman of Beast is best, it's magic attack is higher than the wooden or silver catalyst and you can cast spells and miracles with it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
[quote name='BlueScrote']So far I've beaten 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1. The tower was by far the creepiest/most oppressive. The guys who followed you around praising you are obnoxious too.[/QUOTE]

Between you and Zmonkey below you and his spoiler... looks like 3-1 is next for me...

Now its choosing between drag me to hell or this game tonight... We will see.
 
Quick question about weapon upgrade trees. Are all weapons the same, or does it depend on the path you take to upgrade it? Like, say, the meatcleaver. If I upgrade it from a club+0, is it the same as one upgraded from a mirdin hammer +6? If so, for weapons I assume its best/easiest to follow the shortest upgrade path so you don't blow through your stones?

All I've got left are 4-2 and 3, and 1-4, so I'm trying to farm a bit for ores and souls, and get as many spells/upgraded weapons as I can to prepare for NG+
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Quick question about weapon upgrade trees. Are all weapons the same, or does it depend on the path you take to upgrade it? Like, say, the meatcleaver. If I upgrade it from a club+0, is it the same as one upgraded from a mirdin hammer +6? If so, for weapons I assume its best/easiest to follow the shortest upgrade path so you don't blow through your stones?[/QUOTE]Yep, no difference.
 
I'm starting the game tonight and don't want to pick a crappy class that will give me a terrible time in playing through this game. Is there a class anyone would suggest for a newbie? I was thinking about a Temple Knight. Thoughts, comments?
 
As mentioned numerous times in the thread, Royalty is a good class to start since you get Soul Arrow and MP regen ring right off the bat which means less direct engagements and thus less chances to take damage. You still have to use strategy and skill to do well with the class though, since you don't have much in the way of armor or vitality.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Insanity catalyst halves your MP. I think the Tailsman of Beast is best, it's magic attack is higher than the wooden or silver catalyst and you can cast spells and miracles with it.[/QUOTE]

I needs to get me that. I hate switching my bow out for the talisman that I have now just to heal. That's from the
black phantom Scirvir, right? I'm close to doing that except that the WT of 2 is near pure white now for some reason. It's so close I'm wondering if I should try the white event first then do the black...
. What is it that tells you the exact WT? Some sword or something? How do you get it?

[quote name='gunm']As mentioned numerous times in the thread, Royalty is a good class to start since you get Soul Arrow and MP regen ring right off the bat which means less direct engagements and thus less chances to take damage. You still have to use strategy and skill to do well with the class though, since you don't have much in the way of armor or vitality.[/QUOTE]

Yep, definitely start with Royalty. It makes the initial run through 1-1 much much easier that it would otherwise be. Once you level up you can always go with more of a fighter if you so desire once you get the hang of combat. But having the ranged attack initially is key to making it a much less frustrating experience. Note that I only played this way so I don't know that for sure but given Shipwreck and others having a hard time even making out of 1-1 while I had little to no problem I think it does make a huge difference.

As you progres, though, you may find yourself doing more hand-to-hand combat. Once I got the purple flame shield and the winged spear I have found that I am fighting more often that using magic - and I'm still sporting light armor (just upgraded from the initial wizard's clothes to the black armor I found in 4-1). For those further along, is there a better set of light armor to be found?
 
[quote name='io']I needs to get me that. I hate switching my bow out for the talisman that I have now just to heal. That's from the
black phantom Scirvir, right? I'm close to doing that except that the WT of 2 is near pure white now for some reason. It's so close I'm wondering if I should try the white event first then do the black...
. What is it that tells you the exact WT? Some sword or something? How do you get it?[/QUOTE]

I believe the swords tell you your CT not WT. You can't know for sure the WT. And, yes that is one of the two ways to get the tailsman that I know of. The other is to
get your CT to pure black and initiate the assassination missions, and the reward for killing Ostavia is the tailsman. Of course, he still has to be alive, and I've had him die on me in both of my games so far.

[quote name='io']
As you progres, though, you may find yourself doing more hand-to-hand combat. Once I got the purple flame shield and the winged spear I have found that I am fighting more often that using magic - and I'm still sporting light armor (just upgraded from the initial wizard's clothes to the black armor I found in 4-1). For those further along, is there a better set of light armor to be found?[/QUOTE]

I'm on my second playthrough and except for body armor, I'm still sporting my wizard clothes. I'm wearing like plate mail on my body.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Yep, definitely start with Royalty. It makes the initial run through 1-1 much much easier that it would otherwise be. Once you level up you can always go with more of a fighter if you so desire once you get the hang of combat. But having the ranged attack initially is key to making it a much less frustrating experience. Note that I only played this way so I don't know that for sure but given Shipwreck and others having a hard time even making out of 1-1 while I had little to no problem I think it does make a huge difference.

As you progres, though, you may find yourself doing more hand-to-hand combat. Once I got the purple flame shield and the winged spear I have found that I am fighting more often that using magic - and I'm still sporting light armor (just upgraded from the initial wizard's clothes to the black armor I found in 4-1). For those further along, is there a better set of light armor to be found?
Click to expand...

Ok Royalty it is, thanks for the advice. I can't wait to start this!
 
I just started this game today an man is it a bitch. I can see why people say it is hard. I'm playing as a barbarian and in the first would out of the Nexus I'm getting my ass handed to me. As soon as I get to the part where you have them throwing fire at you I'm dead. Some times I don't even get past the first 5 guys in that level.
 
Thanks Jodou. Nice that you don't have to waste your stones for some of the upgrades. Now all I've got left is 1-4. Trying to decide if I should farm first or if I'm ok to just go ahead to NG+ (I think my soul level is about 70ish). Also really regretting upgrading my winged spear +6 to a moon spear or whatever it's called. If enemies have any magic defense, it takes forever to kill em!

And sendme: Check the rest of this thread and the wiki http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/intro for good info. If your not too far in, might want to consider restarting as a Royal. Barbarian seems one of the most difficult classes to start with, and if that's more your style of play, you can upgrade your stats later to direct that. Classes don't mean shit after the first level, as you can upgrade any stat at any time as long as you have the souls, and there are no class specific equip. etc.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']I'm starting the game tonight and don't want to pick a crappy class that will give me a terrible time in playing through this game. Is there a class anyone would suggest for a newbie? I was thinking about a Temple Knight. Thoughts, comments?[/QUOTE]I went Temple Knight, great class IMO. Remember, you can take your class any direction you want since the starter class is just a blueprint to get you started.

[quote name='io']I needs to get me that. I hate switching my bow out for the talisman that I have now just to heal. That's from the
black phantom Scirvir, right? I'm close to doing that except that the WT of 2 is near pure white now for some reason. It's so close I'm wondering if I should try the white event first then do the black...
. What is it that tells you the exact WT? Some sword or something? How do you get it?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's from Scirvir and it's a jack of all trades, master of none. I.e. it doesn't have the MP bonus of the silver catalyst nor the miracle power bonus from the talisman of god.

To see your WT, just hit start and go to the WT tab. Every world is listed there with a visual clue and will be either illuminated up to +3 above neutral or darkened -3 below neutral. To go pure black, the archstone will be just that -- pure darkness.
 
man I thought I was doing so well, I was Slvl 101 and I tried to take on False King. I was playing like an idiot, I'm Slvl 97 now...and now I'm scared shitless to take on 1-1 online, in case of a black phantom douchebag.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Thanks Jodou. Nice that you don't have to waste your stones for some of the upgrades. Now all I've got left is 1-4. Trying to decide if I should farm first or if I'm ok to just go ahead to NG+ (I think my soul level is about 70ish). Also really regretting upgrading my winged spear +6 to a moon spear or whatever it's called. If enemies have any magic defense, it takes forever to kill em!

And sendme: Check the rest of this thread and the wiki http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/intro for good info. If your not too far in, might want to consider restarting as a Royal. Barbarian seems one of the most difficult classes to start with, and if that's more your style of play, you can upgrade your stats later to direct that. Classes don't mean shit after the first level, as you can upgrade any stat at any time as long as you have the souls, and there are no class specific equip. etc.[/QUOTE]

Well that is good to know. I was wondering when you can upgrade your stats. I will restart as a Royal as I'm not that far in.
 
[quote name='IRHari']man I thought I was doing so well, I was Slvl 101 and I tried to take on False King. I was playing like an idiot, I'm Slvl 97 now...and now I'm scared shitless to take on 1-1 online, in case of a black phantom douchebag.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm SL 200 now so I won't be killing ya. Everyone else I've fought was terrible, so I wouldn't worry too much. ;)

BTW, you can cheese king Allant by just sneaking up behind him and casting poison cloud every time it wears off. I'm actually here reading the forums because that's exactly what I'm doing right now rofl. 75% of his health to go. . .
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top