HOLY CRAP!!! They pulled GTA:SA

[quote name='neocisco']EB, Gamestop, maybe a few others. I left work before getting that e-mail. How was it worded?[/QUOTE]


Something along the lines of "Now that SA has had an ESRB rating change of Mature to Adults Only, all versions of SA (PS2, XB, PC) will be recalled effective immediately, due to the fact that Circuit City does not carry Adult Only rated software."
 
[quote name='RiCeBo1']That's true, but the "M" one requires the Action Replay. I think the future copies that are "AO" won't require an Action Replay, but it might actually be included.[/QUOTE]
The now AO versions will be pulled by most stores and Rockstar is removing the code and releasing it in the fall as an M rated version.
 
Wow, who knew Take 2 are actually a bunch of jack asses.

Or... Could the whole thing be a pre-meditated stunt to give the game another sales blip when they put out the 'fixed' version? Nah, probably not.
 
[quote name='neocisco']This is a little different. It's citing a particular instance of an official notice by a major retailer to pull the game.[/QUOTE]

Which could just as easily be posted in the thread I linked to, and, IMO, isn't worthy of a separate thread.
 
[quote name='Zman310']Which could just as easily be posted in the thread I linked to, and, IMO, isn't worthy of a separate thread.[/QUOTE]

Which is why Dominator started the thread and not you.;) I see your point, though.
 
I have always been a take-two fan, and have even had their stock for a while, but if they take a first-rate company like Datel (AR) under, then they will top EA for my most hated game publisher...
 
[quote name='Scorch']Read the first page.[/QUOTE]

In the time it took you to type that message, you coulda typed me an answer instead.
 
[quote name='The VGM']In the time it took you to type that message, you coulda typed me an answer instead.[/QUOTE]

And in the time it took you to read my reply, quote it and reply, you could've found the answer yourself.. and probably gone out for a beer.
 
Didn't Nintendo sue the makes of Game Ginnie and lose ? I think it was on some gounds that you can do anything you want to a game you own.
 
I was actually in a GS and EB tonight looking for used PSone stuff and they both said Xbox, PS2 and PC games were pulled, not for sale and going back to Rockstar.

I'm definitely going to Media Play tomorrow to get one of these now. The PS2 one sold several million and ain't worth spit but the Xbox one has only been out what, 6-8 weeks? I'm grabbing an M rated one ASAP even at $50 (It's store credit, what do I care.) at Media Play.

Rockstar was dumb as dirt over this. Take Two's stock is going to get slammed with the PR and returned inventory over this.

I have no desire to see the "Hot Coffee" mod but the collector in me just HAS to have the "M" rated version of the game if an AO hits the market later this year.
 
I have no desire to see the "Hot Coffee" mod but the collector in me just HAS to have the "M" rated version of the game if an AO hits the market later this year.
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Maybe you should be less anxious to pick up GTA and read the rest of the article. The remade version will be rated M, the version out now is rated AO.. whether they want to slap a sticker over it or not is the question.
 
CC sent an e-mail earlier tonight to pull their copies. If you want a copy from them you better try first thing tomorrow.

It's still available on their website as of 1:15A EST.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Maybe you should be less anxious to pick up GTA and read the rest of the article. The remade version will be rated M, the version out now is rated AO.. whether they want to slap a sticker over it or not is the question.[/QUOTE]

Current version rated "M" is now officially "AO" even though it has "M" on the box. Restock/remade version rated "M" without the "Hot Coffee" mod.

"M" rated version worth more with "AO" content as opposed to "M" rated version without the "Hot Coffee" mod available.

Get it? Got it? Good.
 
Wow so GTA:SA is the first game ever to get the AO rating.

If the go to court against Action replay I see it being another

Bleem & Playstation type of battle.
 
[quote name='wubb']Mania is ALREADY hitting eBay. This copy just went for $61 + S+H...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8205194521&category=62053&rd=1

Unless this is a fluke, but I have to think it's related to the game getting pulled.[/QUOTE]

Since it was just released, the XB version will probably be worth more and "rarer" then PS version... although Rockstar pressed several bazillion copies of GTA:SA before the whole HotCoffee-Gate fiasco broke, so it shouldn't be very hard to find an "AO" GTA:SA.

I'm not sure what this other guy is selling at Ebay... something about he will email the Hot Coffee mod if you win his auction, or mail it on a CD for an extra $4.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8206856048&category=62053&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

Sounds like he's just selling info about how to get the Hot Coffee mod to work... i don't know who in their right mind would bid $5 for this (or $10 for Buy it Now) since the info is readily available for FREE.
 
I'm more concerned about what effect this will have on the game industry for the future.

I hope companies/developers don't ax out mature content at the last minute, avoid tackling "bigger" issues or dumb down games just to obtain a M or T rating from the ESRB. That would suck.

Some would argue this type of thinking has already ruined Hollywood as studious try obtain the elusive PG-13 rating to cater to the tween crowd, in order to maximize box office revenue.
 
Doubtful used copies will be pulled. At the most Rockstar will send 'AO' sticker sheets to place over the M rating for used/new copies.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Wow so GTA:SA is the first game ever to get the AO rating.

If the go to court against Action replay I see it being another

Bleem & Playstation type of battle.[/QUOTE]

BMX XXX was, I beleive. But if I recall correctly, the PS2 version was cut/censored, while the Xbox and Gamecube (!) was not.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Wow so GTA:SA is the first game ever to get the AO rating..[/QUOTE]

First console game, yes. First game, no.
 
fucking pathetic.

That's one thing I never understood about the Hollywood-ass Liberals in this country. The concept of mass-murder, icing police officers, stealing vehicles and so on is somehow less important and less shocking than ->gasp
 
After rading some various articles, including take-two's statement it seems that they are not making anymore of the hot coffee games and the ones already out will be hit with an AO sticker. Lotta crap to be makin over a game when God of war had the same... As well as Singles....
 
I seriously don't see that there is a gray area here at all. Yes, Rockstar may have been lazy for leaving the code in, but they never intended that portion of the game to be played. If they intended it, it would have been in the game, period.

The fact is that a LOT of games have levels, textures, etc., included with the game that are never accessible in the final product. LoZ:WW had test levels that could actually be played with AR-type devices. Games are rated on the content that is presented to the game player, not the content that could be accessed by modders or cheat devices.

In reading about the Hot Coffee mod, I also read that modders found skateboard code, textures and code for brothels, etc. It's stuff that Rockstar toyed with and ultimately decided that they couldn't, or didn't, want to include in the game. Maybe it would have been easy for them to remove that code and/or textures, but then again, maybe it's not.

Anyone who has done any coding would realize that a lot of stuff is recycled throughout an application. Who's to say that the code used for Hot Coffee wasn't also shared with the Low Rider contests (using the analog stick for motion seems very similar)?

The only thing that pisses me off about the whole situation is that Rockstar is not fessing up to the fact that it is their code. Why not just say it was something that they toyed with and ultimately decided not to use? With all of the other controversial content in that game, they are afraid of admitting that they put in a "sex" mini-game that was never used?
 
[quote name='Brak']fucking pathetic.

That's one thing I never understood about the Hollywood-ass Liberals in this country. The concept of mass-murder, icing police officers, stealing vehicles and so on is somehow less important and less shocking than ->gasp
 
This is dumb. If someone hacks War of the Worlds and says, "Look, you can see a naked woman in the background," does that automatically make it an Adults-Only movie?

No of course not. It's not Spielberg's fault some streaker ran through his movie, and he didn't notice it.

Likewise, it's not Rockstar's fault some bozo hacked their game to remove clothing.

troy
 
This is dumb. If someone hacks War of the Worlds and says, "Look, you can see a naked woman in the background," does that automatically make it an Adults-Only movie?

No of course not. It's not Spielberg's fault some streaker ran through his movie, and he didn't notice it.

Likewise, it's not Rockstar's fault some bozo hacked their game to remove clothing.

troy
 
[quote name='electrictroy']This is dumb. If someone hacks War of the Worlds and says, "Look, you can see a naked woman in the background," does that automatically make it an Adults-Only movie?

No of course not. It's not Spielberg's fault some streaker ran through his movie, and he didn't notice it.

Likewise, it's not Rockstar's fault some bozo hacked their game to remove clothing.

troy[/QUOTE]

How do those compare in the least? Rockstar knew full well what was in the code, and then lied about it. It wasn't a "hack to remove clothing," either--it simply unlocked code already within the disc.
I'd say this is more about the ESRB sticking it to Rockstar for not disclosing necessary information. I've never seen the minigame, but I've read there aren't even genitals--which would make it on par with the R-rated Team America.
Just another unfortunate case of "Games are for children, so the ratings must be more strict."
 
I'm gonna wait for the AO sticker carrying version so I can actually have a an AO game in my collection........yes weird....wait.......Take 2 should take advantage of this. Put in more violence sex and whatnot. :twisted:
 
[quote name='electrictroy']This is dumb. If someone hacks War of the Worlds and says, "Look, you can see a naked woman in the background," does that automatically make it an Adults-Only movie?

No of course not. It's not Spielberg's fault some streaker ran through his movie, and he didn't notice it.

Likewise, it's not Rockstar's fault some bozo hacked their game to remove clothing.

troy[/QUOTE]

I'll agree that it is dumb, but you have your facts wrong.

All of the code to play the Hot Coffee "sex" mini-game is already included in the PC, PS2, and I assume, the Xbox version. People monkeying around with the PC version found the code and then found a way to turn it on. It was something that Rockstar had created, but decided not to include in the game (for whatever reason).

Rockstar is not dealing with some hackers that swapped textures, modified code, etc., in order to create the Hot Coffee mini-game, they actually created that portion of the game in the first place.

That is the main point that is hurting them in this whole thing, IMO. They are telling people that this code was "hacked" in order to play the mini-game. The fact that it was just enabled on the PS2 version via an Action Replay code shows that they are lying.

They should have just fessed up that they created the content but never had the intention of it being included in the final game. End of story.
 
[quote name='gamemasterjd']God of war had the same... As well as Singles....[/QUOTE]

Singles was AO and God of War really didn't show it. It just had a flower pot shaking :D
 
I am surprised no one bitched about Leisure Suit Larry being only M-rated considering the sex scenes in it even if they are somewhat censored.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Huh? What's Hollywood have to do with anything here?

EDIT to point out that it just ain't liberals, bebe: http://www.cleanfilms.com/about_edited.phtml[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about the geographical location. It's a state of mind to which I loathe. The scumbag Liberals whom serve no purpose to society or politics. And ->gasp
 
I just love that no one minds that kids/teenagers/young adults can spend hours killing all kinds of men and women with a chainsaw, gun, knife, etc in the game but with the knowledge that there is a sex scene that can potentially be unlocked everyone gets in an uproar. I mean technically no one under 17 should have the game in the first place, and is anyone really worried about the effect a video game sex scene will have on people 17 and over?
I wish politicians would raise an outcry over issues that actually matter.
 
This is dumb. If someone hacks War of the Worlds and says, "Look, you can see a naked woman in the background," does that automatically make it an Adults-Only movie?
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WTF? hack a movie? "Adults-Only" movie? Errrr...
 
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=240603



Washington, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY) today announced that she will introduce legislation to help keep inappropriate video games out of the hands of children. She also called upon the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to take immediate action to determine the source of graphic pornographic and violent content appearing on the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas video game. Recent reports have revealed that this graphic content can be unlocked by following instructions widely available on the Internet. “The disturbing material in Grand Theft Auto and other games like it is stealing the innocence of our children and it’s making the difficult job of being a parent even harder,” said Senator Clinton. “I am announcing these measures today because I believe that the ability of our children to access pornographic and outrageously violent material on video games rated for adults is spiraling out of control.”

Stealing the innocence of children?

Stop acting like people can't think for themselves.
 
I just returned from Micro Center and picked up the PS2 copy for $27.83 (it's on sale right now; the Xbox and PC versions were $49.99). They had about 6 copies left at my location when I went at lunchtime.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I'll agree that it is dumb, but you have your facts wrong.

All of the code to play the Hot Coffee "sex" mini-game is already included in the PC, PS2, and I assume, the Xbox version. People monkeying around with the PC version found the code and then found a way to turn it on. It was something that Rockstar had created, but decided not to include in the game (for whatever reason).

Rockstar is not dealing with some hackers that swapped textures, modified code, etc., in order to create the Hot Coffee mini-game, they actually created that portion of the game in the first place.

That is the main point that is hurting them in this whole thing, IMO. They are telling people that this code was "hacked" in order to play the mini-game. The fact that it was just enabled on the PS2 version via an Action Replay code shows that they are lying.

They should have just fessed up that they created the content but never had the intention of it being included in the final game. End of story.[/QUOTE]

Just so you know that, although you prefaced your first post here by saying that this is not a gray issue, your two posts have done an excellent job of explaining just why it is legally ambiguous. The need to argue it, period, is further evidence of that. So, a sincere thank you from me in reinforcing the points I was making is in order.
 
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