Itagaki leaving and suing tecmo - Update: Another Employee Lawsuit

He saved the company, they fucked him over, he's back for ninja vengeance. All that needs to be said.

if you're completely distraught about his PR, you should consider reapplying the "whiny baby" labels. and say what you will about his games, he takes care of his fans. aside from that DoAX2 dump.
 
[quote name='Apossum']He saved the company, they fucked him over, he's back for ninja vengeance. All that needs to be said.

if you're completely distraught about his PR, you should consider reapplying the "whiny baby" labels. and say what you will about his games, he takes care of his fans. aside from that DoAX2 dump.[/quote]

Agreed. This is a sad day for the gaming industry to be sure. Another 2 great series lost, along with Shenmue and Rallisport.
 
I don't think this guy is as great as most of you guys think he is. He probably have some good ideas, but I don't think he's the one actually bringing the ideas to reality.. the core of the dev team is still there. Plus he was holding Tecmo back with his refusal to complete PS3 projects.


From this day forth Itagaki is on his own. MS could scoop him up, but I doubt he wants to work for an amercian company. Square Enix would be a nice home for him... at least they could revamp their action games.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I don't think this guy is as great as most of you guys think he is. He probably have some good ideas, but I don't think he's the one actually bringing the ideas to reality.. the core of the dev team is still there. Plus he was holding Tecmo back with his refusal to complete PS3 projects.
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Yeah, what an ass! He stopped Tecmo from releasing any PS3 games! Oh wait...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I don't think this guy is as great as most of you guys think he is. He probably have some good ideas, but I don't think he's the one actually bringing the ideas to reality.. the core of the dev team is still there.[/quote]

Yeah, but isn't that like saying Kojima isn't as integral to Kojima Productions as Itagaki is to Team Ninja. No doubt that he isn't the end all of Team Ninja, but I think he does bring some vision and goals. Team Ninja did Sigma without him, but what is it really? It's basically Ninja Gaiden, a game headed by Itagaki. I'm not saying they won't do anything without him because I can't see into the future, but Team Ninja definitely wouldn't be what they are without him, probably not nearly as successful.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I don't think this guy is as great as most of you guys think he is. He probably have some good ideas, but I don't think he's the one actually bringing the ideas to reality.. the core of the dev team is still there. Plus he was holding Tecmo back with his refusal to complete PS3 projects.
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They put out a PS3 game, remember? It had in-battle loading and shitloads of loading that wasn't in the Xbox version. He must've sabotaged the project from behind the scenes.

He needs to go to Sega and reboot the Shinobi franchise.
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:lol:

From this day forth Itagaki is on his own. MS could scoop him up, but I doubt he wants to work for an amercian company. Square Enix would be a nice home for him... at least they could revamp their action games.
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or the Bouncer franchise, apparently. wat.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']He needs to go to Sega and reboot the Shinobi franchise. ;)[/quote]

This move makes the most sense to me.

Microsoft couldn't handle this guy because all the political incorrectness with the big boobs.

Sega really needs a shot in the arm and this guy can help them.
 
[quote name='Apossum']They put out a PS3 game, remember? It had in-battle loading and shitloads of loading that wasn't in the Xbox version. He must've sabotaged the project from behind the scenes.
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You are right. I was wondering why the PS3 Sigma has crap loads more random loading than the original Xbox versions. Even the saves take longer. But I'm a NG fan so I get anything they release. The news of Itagaki leaving Tecmo and done with DOA and NG is the worst one for me since Yu Suzuki quit making Shenmue. Why do all these great series have to end like this?! Why can't we end the shit loads of FPS instead of these unique and hard to come by games?! Guess I'm the minority here. The majority rather play Rainbow Six 60 and Halo 10 than Shenmue 3, NG3, DOA5 and RalliSport 3.
 
[quote name='MPoWeRM3']You are right. I was wondering why the PS3 Sigma has crap loads more random loading than the original Xbox versions. Even the saves take longer. But I'm a NG fan so I get anything they release. The news of Itagaki leaving Tecmo and done with DOA and NG is the worst one for me since Yu Suzuki quit making Shenmue. Why do all these great series have to end like this?! Why can't we end the shit loads of FPS instead of these unique and hard to come by games?! Guess I'm the minority here. The majority rather play Rainbow Six 60 and Halo 10 than Shenmue 3, NG3, DOA5 and RalliSport 3.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure they'll still make DoA5 and NG3. Hayashi will take over.
 
[quote name='Man of Ice']Yeah, but isn't that like saying Kojima isn't as integral to Kojima Productions as Itagaki is to Team Ninja. No doubt that he isn't the end all of Team Ninja, but I think he does bring some vision and goals. Team Ninja did Sigma without him, but what is it really? It's basically Ninja Gaiden, a game headed by Itagaki. I'm not saying they won't do anything without him because I can't see into the future, but Team Ninja definitely wouldn't be what they are without him, probably not nearly as successful.[/quote]

Comparing Kojima to Itagaki is not something that can really be done. Kojima did so much to revolutionize gaming, where as Itagaki made extremely solid games.


Either way, kind of ridiculous for Tecmo, but I never liked Itagaki. I don't think it's right to go around bashing your competition like he did, nor bash your own company/team saying their game was crap, regardless at how talented you may or may not be. Outspoken developers are fine, and I like that, but it should be done like David Jaffe or Cory Barlog who are outspoken but don't insult anyone in the process.

I think Sega does make the most sense for him.
Square-Enix could make sense as his games do have more western appeal than anything they have, which is a direction they want to go.
 
[quote name='Man of Ice']Yeah, but isn't that like saying Kojima isn't as integral to Kojima Productions as Itagaki is to Team Ninja. No doubt that he isn't the end all of Team Ninja, but I think he does bring some vision and goals. Team Ninja did Sigma without him, but what is it really? It's basically Ninja Gaiden, a game headed by Itagaki. I'm not saying they won't do anything without him because I can't see into the future, but Team Ninja definitely wouldn't be what they are without him, probably not nearly as successful.[/QUOTE]
That's like comparing Brett Rattner with Speilberg....
 
It's not really a comparison but rather a stating of where they are in their respective development teams and how their departures would affect these teams. Basically, Team Ninja loses a lot of its strength without Itagaki.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I'm sure they'll still make DoA5 and NG3. Hayashi will take over.[/quote]
Will they have the signature Itagaki quality is completely up in the air. It's like Shenmue vs Yakuza. Similar game and concept but the latter is far more inferior and they keep on making the Yakuza sequals instead of continuing the Shenmue saga. *sigh*
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone'] it should be done like David Jaffe or Cory Barlog who are outspoken but don't insult anyone in the process.

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http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.com/2007/05/thats-it-for-nowsee-you-soon.html

TO THE LAME ASS WEBSITE THAT SHALL GO UNNAMED- fuck you, guys. Go fuck yourselves. What other developer makes a fucking change to a game when a review (IGN's in this case) has a good, valid point and is willing to open the fucking code up at the risk of more bugs to make the game better? Amazing.But hey, you guys are great, you guys rock. I hope Kotaku fucking puts your ass out of business, wanna be fucktards. And if you were actual journalists you would have read the motherfucking quote I posted on NEOGAF where I said because of the two bugs we needed to fix (not because I was afraid of the bargin bin) we had a window of opp. to fix the magnet problem. Assholes...total fucking assholes.
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just...stay in the PS3 forum.

oh and that other developer who's willing to re-open the game to fix it up? yep.
 
[quote name='MPoWeRM3']Will they have the signature Itagaki quality is completely up in the air.[/QUOTE]

We can be sure they will lack the signature Itagaki smell. So no worries there.
 
[quote name='Strell']We can be sure they will lack the signature Itagaki smell. So no worries there.[/quote]
There WILL be boobs
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So one time insulting someone, when that person insulted and criticized you first, disproves my point?[/QUOTE]


The guy tends to have freak outs, but I don't feel like digging around for you.
 
[quote name='Apossum']The guy tends to have freak outs, but I don't feel like digging around for you.[/quote]

Either way, randomly losing your cool because some random dude on the internet insulted you and called you out is way different than going around randomly insulting other people's work, which they have spent a great deal amount of work to complete, for no other reason that your ego and you want to make yourself look good.
 
[quote name='Apossum']He saved the company, they fucked him over, he's back for ninja vengeance. All that needs to be said.

if you're completely distraught about his PR, you should consider reapplying the "whiny baby" labels. and say what you will about his games, he takes care of his fans. aside from that DoAX2 dump.[/quote]


QFT. Who wouldn't be pissed if they got screwed out of a million dollars? Thats right you would be fucking pissed off as well to be promised something and not be given it. I'm not the biggest fan of Itagaki, but you can't deny the dude created a master piece. Ninja Gaiden is one of the best games I've ever played. He had a lot of passion into the game, you could tell that by playing it. Sure I didn't like that the dude insulted other people and their games but shit I never cared what he thought anyway. The fact of it is Itagaki was promised a certain amount of $ from the company he saved and got fucked over in the process.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Either way, randomly losing your cool because some random dude on the internet insulted you and called you out is way different than going around randomly insulting other people's work, which they have spent a great deal amount of work to complete, for no other reason that your ego and you want to make yourself look good.[/QUOTE]


I see. so basically...ps3.
 
sony should throw money his way and set him up a dev team of his choosing. i'd like to see if anyone leaves tecmo to follow itagaki
 
I will miss his stoic look and pretty locks. They kept me warm at night.
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[quote name='chasemurata'] I will miss his stoic look and pretty locks. They kept me warm at night.
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Are you saying his idiotic sunglasses don't make you all gooey?



Something from the MS Money Hats bit that I found interesting.
In fact he told us as much last month that he was thinking of creating a shooter set in the Pacific Theater during World War II, perhaps one from the Japanese perspective.
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Climb Mount Nitaka. With boobage. I'm having a hard time visualizing this.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Hehe. I love money hats. It is such a fun word.[/QUOTE]

I hate money hats. It's one of the worst words ever, except for "blog."

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Kojima did so much to revolutionize gaming,[/QUOTE]
Like what? Invent horribly long and overwrought cutscenes?

I say that Kojima makes outstanding games, but is by no stretch of the imagination a "revolutionary."
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Like what? Invent horribly long and overwrought cutscenes?

I say that Kojima makes outstanding games, but is by no stretch of the imagination a "revolutionary."[/quote]I was thinking similar things. Although, to his credit, he essentially created the stealth genre, didn't he? I mean, I doubt without Metal Gear Solid and its predecessors we'd have Splinter Cell, etc. We can argue all day about whether that's a good thing or not, but it's hard to not credit him with some revolution when he's making new genres, and actually successfully realizing their transition from 2D to 3D. That's some pretty heavy stuff.

And where would Final Fantasy's 5 minutes of game play, 15 minutes of cinema style be without MGS? ;)
 
[quote name='daroga']Although, to his credit, he essentially created the stealth genre, didn't he?[/quote]
I wouldn't credit him with it. I'd pen the first real stealth game as Castle Wolfenstein, which came out about six years before Metal Gear. And in terms of 3D stealth games, Tenchu came out nearly a year before MGS (in Japan, at least).
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I wouldn't credit him with it. I'd pen the first real stealth game as Castle Wolfenstein, which came out about six years before Metal Gear. And in terms of 3D stealth games, Tenchu came out nearly a year before MGS (in Japan, at least).[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't mean he didn't revolutionize the genre. Until Metal Gear no one cared about stealth games.

I don't like Final Fantasy VII, but I can't deny that it changed RPGs forever.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Still doesn't mean he didn't revolutionize the genre. Until Metal Gear no one cared about stealth games.[/QUOTE]
Uh, so, wait. Getting hypothetical and leaving Metal Gear behind for a second, you're saying that the first example of a kind that's popular, even if it does nothing new compared to it's priors, counts as being "revolutionary"?


Again, I'm not saying that MG/S isn't a landmark. I just don't like seeing the term "revolutionary" thrown around so cheaply.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh, so, wait. Getting hypothetical and leaving Metal Gear behind for a second, you're saying that the first example of a kind that's popular, even if it does nothing new compared to it's priors, counts as being "revolutionary"?


Again, I'm not saying that MG/S isn't a landmark. I just don't like seeing the term "revolutionary" thrown around so cheaply.[/QUOTE]
Maybe revolutionary is the wrong term, but you can't deny Metal Gear's impact on video games.

Also I played the original Wolfenstein like once or twice, but I don't remember it being nearly as good as the first Metal Gear on the NES.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Maybe revolutionary is the wrong term, but you can't deny Metal Gear's impact on video games.[/quote]
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Metal Gear/Solid is a terrific series and definitely a landmark, yes, and Kojima is one hell of a talent who's legacy in the business is legendary. But I just don't think that the term "revolutionary" should be applied to either. "Visionary," perhaps, but not "revolutionary." I think that the term "revolutionary" has been really cheapened, and that's why it's applied to every game or developer that did even a single unique or innovative thing.

Also I played the original Wolfenstein like once or twice, but I don't remember it being nearly as good as the first Metal Gear on the NES.
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Well, it did come out six years earlier, ya know, so you can't expect it to match MG technologically...


[quote name='guinaevere']Back to Itagaki.



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God I hate that word. :
 
Here's a question. The Dead or Alive series has pretty much been more of the same since the beginning. According to the latest reviews, Ninja Gaiden 2 is also essentially more of the same, just with blood. The sequel to DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball managed to alienate fans of the original.

Sure, Itagaki has established two great franchises for Tecmo, but even if he didn't quit, what more could he have brought to DOA 5 or Ninja Gaiden 3?
 
[quote name='DQT']Here's a question. The Dead or Alive series has pretty much been more of the same since the beginning. According to the latest reviews, Ninja Gaiden 2 is also essentially more of the same, just with blood. The sequel to DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball managed to alienate fans of the original.

Sure, Itagaki has established two great franchises for Tecmo, but even if he didn't quit, what more could he have brought to DOA 5 or Ninja Gaiden 3?[/quote]Mo re breasts?
 
[quote name='DQT']Here's a question. The Dead or Alive series has pretty much been more of the same since the beginning. According to the latest reviews, Ninja Gaiden 2 is also essentially more of the same, just with blood. The sequel to DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball managed to alienate fans of the original.

Sure, Itagaki has established two great franchises for Tecmo, but even if he didn't quit, what more could he have brought to DOA 5 or Ninja Gaiden 3?[/QUOTE]

Well, Ninja Gaiden II's actually a huge leap over the first game, and DOA's only been static since DOA2 (though it's never been particularly good, admittedly.) DOAX just sucks.
 
[quote name='DQT']Here's a question. The Dead or Alive series has pretty much been more of the same since the beginning. According to the latest reviews, Ninja Gaiden 2 is also essentially more of the same, just with blood. The sequel to DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball managed to alienate fans of the original.

Sure, Itagaki has established two great franchises for Tecmo, but even if he didn't quit, what more could he have brought to DOA 5 or Ninja Gaiden 3?[/quote]


Well, in regards to fighting games, you really don't want to try to do too much with a fighting system because fighting games are better suited to minor tweaks and not complete overhauls. A character here, a tag mode there...
 
[quote name='guinaevere']

Something from the MS Money Hats bit

In fact he told us as much last month that he was thinking of creating a shooter set in the Pacific Theater during World War II, perhaps one from the Japanese perspective.
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that I found interesting.
Climb Mount Nitaka. With boobage. I'm having a hard time visualizing this.[/QUOTE]


comfort women. maybe they'll have a Nanking sec...you know...i don't think this game is such a good idea Itagaki. wouldn't be surprised if itagaki was a hardcore conservative though.
 
The guy is a moronic self-centered bastard. His games look good, and play like total s****t.
The AI is always all over the place. Go back and play DOA 4 in story mode, and then tell me that you actually enjoy getting juggled in the air for 10 hit combos which you can do nothing about...yeah, that's good programming.

If he quit, and never made another game, I would be just fine with that.
 
[quote name='dragonjud']The guy is a moronic self-centered bastard. [/quote]

That much is true, but I love me some Ninja Gaiden and DOA games (the fighters, not so much the Xtreme series).
 
[quote name='dragonjud']The guy is a moronic self-centered bastard. [/quote]

The internet never makes the connection that a lot of successful people are. he doesn't fit the stereotype of the quiet, introverted Japanese male and that's how he's a household name, even to vehement haters like yourself.
 
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