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[quote name='WV Matsui']True Staticz but I haven't even come within 21 points of a team yet! :lol:[/QUOTE]

League is rough this year. I thought the Chiefs would be a step up from the Seahawks....nope.
 
well if ur so good at defense compared to me then why were u so worried then. i started the game with 3 picks my defense must be decent enough u can call them bonehead throws but i put the pressure on u to make thoughs throughs. all u did was change up ur game and it worked but i wouldnt say our skill level is to much different considering that fact that if u wouldnt have broke league rules u might have still won but the point is u had to break them to win. plus i would say its pretty easy to run the ball with a guy like sproles u took it to the outside must of the game ran right past them then took it up field no real talent there. its called madden speed
 
Panthers 21 - Broncos 17

Pretty evenly matched game, lots defense played by both sides. MA just made a few more plays when he had to.

Did I miss anything? ;)
 
Bengals win 24-21 over the giants. Great game pitfall. He stuffed me on the goalline right at the half. I took the risk n went for it with no timeouts didnt get it done. Not quite as sad as brady's intentional grounding but close. Nugent kicked the game winning chip shot as time expired.
 
[quote name='staticz']4th and 1 in the 1st quarter in your own territory you punt the ball. 21 points isn't insurmountable, especially when the guy is 6-3.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I don't think it's a completely indefensible 4th down call. He's down big and he took a gamble (especially after being stuffed on 3rd and inches). I might have gone for it there as well, or tried a fake punt like Doom suggested. The idea is to arrest some of the momentum, and considering DVO acknowledged that's exactly what it accomplished, it seems like it was a smart tactical move.

The standard for going for it on 4th has always been that you should be able to defend the decision in the thread. I really don't think this one was that terrible, though I'd like to hear what fero and uber think about it as well.

[quote name='dvo21']
now 2 TDs 143 left zero timeouts left he runs it in for a touchdown should have taken a knee but hes a douche im prolly going to quit before time runs out[/QUOTE]

neworlbush, do you acknowledge doing this?
 
[quote name='neworlbush25']Saints 35, Failclowns 21.

1. Ok... I Got the ball to start the game. I THREW 3 PICKS ON MY FIRST DRIVES that turned into 3 TDs for the Falcons. I then had a 4th and 1 at the 50 yd line..

Your telling me Sean Payton isnt going to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 50 AGAINST his biggest rival IN THE SUPERDOME!!
I knew you would blitz so i threw a playaction to my FB who took it to the house. I needed a big play to boost my momentum and that was it.

I dont think you should be pissed about that. I shut you out for the rest of the game.
It is obvious who is the better player because if you take away the 3 picks that i threw in the 1st quarter (that were bonehead throws) I would have beat you 35-0...

2. I had the ball on Falcons about 15 with about 1:40 left and he had no timeouts. Yes, I could have kneed it. Honestly, i hate when ppl knee the ball against me. And I hate kneeing the ball. And it is easy as hell to run against you because you dont play defense, Sproles went in without being touched. It should take into account that it was against the Saints biggest rival, in the Superdome, on a Monday night game...[/QUOTE]


i would say yes bv
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']just lost to the chargers thats fine w.e but the only thing that bugged me is he used the same cheap draw with tebow 12 times oh well if he has fun playing that way im happy for him, you win some you lose some.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but you've won every game since you've joined this league, and the fact that you follow up your very first loss with grousing about it doesn't make the strongest impression. Just something to consider.

[quote name='JoelyPoley']I don't appreciate being called out on the forum like this when I played a fair game. I don't think there is anyone here who has had a problem with way I've played all season. The only QB running plays in the skins playbook are draws to the left or right and 12 runs from Tebow should be expected. It's not like he is an air it out QB. I didn't even run the ball once on a designed passing play.
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Nothing wrong with the way he's playing from what I can see. I had to deal with the same thing against Cam Newton, and it's ridiculously frustrating to stop (since the AI plays it like braindead morons even if they've seen it a half dozen times in the game) but I don't think it's especially cheap. You've got to expect runs when you're playing against a running QB. It's a gimmick offense, but I don't think it's unfair or anything.
 
[quote name='bvharris']To be honest, I don't think it's a completely indefensible 4th down call. He's down big and he took a gamble (especially after being stuffed on 3rd and inches). I might have gone for it there as well, or tried a fake punt like Doom suggested. The idea is to arrest some of the momentum, and considering DVO acknowledged that's exactly what it accomplished, it seems like it was a smart tactical move.

The standard for going for it on 4th has always been that you should be able to defend the decision in the thread. I really don't think this one was that terrible, though I'd like to hear what fero and uber think about it as well.
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I suppose I could be persuaded to agree with that. I take more of the same stance WV does - I don't want to deal with this kind of thing so I don't do it.

The other side of that is would a NFL coach do it? To that I'm going to say probably not. Not that Romeo Crennel is a top coach but last week with 6 seconds left before half they had a chance at a 55 yard FG and punted it. To me that is a bit over-conservative but the point is the same, real coaches are conservative. If the Saints don't make that 4th down then they go down by 28 and the game is most certainly over. If he is so skilled his defense would have stopped the Falcons and he would've gotten the ball back.
 
[quote name='staticz']
The other side of that is would a NFL coach do it? To that I'm going to say probably not. Not that Romeo Crennel is a top coach but last week with 6 seconds left before half they had a chance at a 55 yard FG and punted it. To me that is a bit over-conservative but the point is the same, real coaches are conservative.[/QUOTE]

Some would. Bill Belichick would. Sean Payton would.

Romeo Crennel is pretty damned conservative, always has been.
 
i just dont see how u can say its fair to go for it on 4th and 1 when ur down 21 to change momentum if say that then anyone can use it at any point on 4th and 1. down by 10+ im trying to change momentum, 9 or less im trying to stay in the game. it just sounds like an excuse to me to go for it after getting stuffed on 3rd and inches. now past the 50 yard line i prolly wouldnt be as mad maybe not mad at all but ur not even pasted ur own 50 yet. it just sounds like ur making excuses for people to go for it when they want
 
well its 2013 and payton's not allowed in the nfl plus he runs illegal stuff in the nfl shouldnt use payton as an example
 
[quote name='bvharris']Some would. Bill Belichick would. Sean Payton would.

Romeo Crennel is pretty damned conservative, always has been.[/QUOTE]

True, it can definitely be argued that way. Take a look at my edited version, either way opinions will differ. I'm not saying it was wrong but we've spent a lot of time discussing whether or not it is OK to go for it in your opponents 40-49 yard range, so I would assume being in your own territory would be frowned upon more. Like I said, I don't think it this the worst thing I've heard of, but I'm not sure that makes it is right either.
 
[quote name='DVO21']it just sounds like ur making excuses for people to go for it when they want[/QUOTE]

Seriously? How long have you been in this league now? Does that remotely sound like something I would advocate? Give me a break. :roll:
 
[quote name='bvharris']To be honest, I don't think it's a completely indefensible 4th down call. He's down big and he took a gamble (especially after being stuffed on 3rd and inches). I might have gone for it there as well, or tried a fake punt like Doom suggested. The idea is to arrest some of the momentum, and considering DVO acknowledged that's exactly what it accomplished, it seems like it was a smart tactical move.

The standard for going for it on 4th has always been that you should be able to defend the decision in the thread. I really don't think this one was that terrible, though I'd like to hear what fero and uber think about it as well.



neworlbush, do you acknowledge doing this?[/QUOTE]


Yes, I do acknowledge doing this... I shouldnt have.

If DVO won the game he would not be on here calling me a douche for that 4th down play. And I would not be calling him a douche for running the ball instead of kneeing it. In my defense, I play madden mostly with my roomates and friends and kneeing the ball with 1:43 left in the game would like being the biggest pussy in the world.

That doesnt mean that I shouldnt have kneed, which I will do from now on.
 
[quote name='DVO21']well its 2013 and payton's not allowed in the nfl plus he runs illegal stuff in the nfl shouldnt use payton as an example[/QUOTE]



lol... Show me the proof!!
 
[quote name='bvharris']Panthers 21 - Broncos 17

Pretty evenly matched game, lots defense played by both sides. MA just made a few more plays when he had to.

Did I miss anything? ;)[/QUOTE]

That pretty much covers it lol. I felt really good about my D, the 2 TDs I gave up were on 2 huge blown plays. One being a boneheaded zone call leaving Thomas wide open down the left side....zone NEVER seems to work for me... :(
 
[quote name='neworlbush25']In my defense, I play madden mostly with my roomates and friends and kneeing the ball with 1:43 left in the game would like being the biggest pussy in the world.[/QUOTE]

That's not really a defense, you've been in this league long enough to know better.

[quote name='neworlbush25']That doesnt mean that I shouldnt have kneed, which I will do from now on.[/QUOTE]

See that you do. I'm going to let you off with a warning instead of a strike since it's the first complaint we've had about this, but don't let it happen again.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']That pretty much covers it lol. I felt really good about my D, the 2 TDs I gave up were on 2 huge blown plays. One being a boneheaded zone call leaving Thomas wide open down the left side....zone NEVER seems to work for me... :([/QUOTE]

cover 2 or 3? Cover 2 seems to be soooo useless this year. The safeties don't sit deep enough and get burnt, at least in my experience.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']That pretty much covers it lol. [/QUOTE]

The "did I miss anything" was actually in reference to the thread drama.

It was a fun game despite the outcome, you're always one of my favorite opponents to play, our games are always competitive and enjoyable.

Thomas is usually going to get his, you did a great job in coverage otherwise.

Normally I would say this is another game I may well have won if I still had Manning, although Haden's ridiculous diving goal line INT (probably one of the best I've ever seen in Madden) was a plenty big play in the game.
 
[quote name='staticz']cover 2 or 3? Cover 2 seems to be soooo useless this year. The safeties don't sit deep enough and get burnt, at least in my experience.[/QUOTE]

Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.
 
And I only ran 4 designed QB runs which seems pretty darn tame for the Panthers (compared to 12 from Tebow...that sounds to me a little excessive). If you watch the Panthers play, they run at least 20 Read-option plays a game which I can't stand. I think my success with it came from the fact that you didn't blitz much at all that game IIRC. I think you can counter it pretty easily, I just played against the Redskins last week where RG3 ran some read-option QB runs and I shut him down pretty easily (4 carries for 0 yards).
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']I think my success with it came from the fact that you didn't blitz much at all that game IIRC. [/QUOTE]

Interesting, I'll keep that in mind. I rarely if ever big blitz. You can usually get away with rushing 4 when 2 of the 4 are Dumervil and Miller. :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']That's not really a defense, you've been in this league long enough to know better.



See that you do. I'm going to let you off with a warning instead of a strike since it's the first complaint we've had about this, but don't let it happen again.[/QUOTE]


Will do.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.[/QUOTE]

Nickel 2-4-5? Cover 2 has sucked in everything other than 2-3-6 (at least for me).

Spoiler Alert: The Chiefs only play man to man!
 
[quote name='bvharris']Thanks for the heads up. :D[/QUOTE]

Anytime! At this point I'm just going to help foster the inconsistent play.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yours or mine? ;)[/QUOTE]

I think our division may be the most accurate portrayal of a real NFL division ever.
 
[quote name='staticz']I think our division may be the most accurate portrayal of a real NFL division ever.[/QUOTE]

Mediocre?

I'm definitely not playing especially well at the moment, which is ill-timed considering I've got you and the Chargers coming up the next two weeks.
 
If you're on your half of the field, you should not going for it on 4th unless you're at the point of the game where you have no other choice, even if its short yardage. this doesn't mean you can't be aggressive in situations where real nfl coachs mgiht (4th and 1 from your opponents 40, or something like that)

so im guessing ur rules are flawed because he wasnt at the point in the game where he had to go for it at all. in the 1st quarter. since he was on his own 43. which is pretty far from my 40 yard line. might need the rule list to be more broad there.

ya i know im still on this but sorry once im angry it takes a while i have ptsd and taking anger classes that arent working becuz rubbing a rock to calm down just doesnt work when u have uncontrolable anger and black out
 
21-0 seems like nothings working 4 and 1 id go for it..... i hate kneeling to i prefer to drive as far as possible avoiding the end zone... i dont feel as its disrespectful as long as u dont score and never heard any complaints about it so far
 
What's your desired outcome here, dvo? You can't get the game back, and that one play certainly wasn't the whole reason why you lost. If you just want to blow off steam, that's fine, but it feels like you've done that at this point.
 
[quote name='DVO21']If you're on your half of the field, you should not going for it on 4th unless you're at the point of the game where you have no other choice, even if its short yardage. this doesn't mean you can't be aggressive in situations where real nfl coachs mgiht (4th and 1 from your opponents 40, or something like that)

so im guessing ur rules are flawed because he wasnt at the point in the game where he had to go for it at all. in the 1st quarter. since he was on his own 43. which is pretty far from my 40 yard line. might need the rule list to be more broad there.

ya i know im still on this but sorry once im angry it takes a while i have ptsd and taking anger classes that arent working becuz rubbing a rock to calm down just doesnt work when u have uncontrolable anger and black out[/QUOTE]


I don't see anything wrong because he was down even if he scored on that drive ur still up by 14 stop crying and play football... I've seen real NFL teams go for it
n this situation so get over it!!!

But I must say u gotta kneel but BV has been on it ;)
 
i cant change the outcome ur right. but the point is the rules are right there for people to read plain and simple. he should have read them and played by them. whats the point of having the rules if people can break them and nothing happens. he broke 2 of ur rules and u gave him a warning. sorry im in the military been in for a while u dont follow the rules u ge the hammer plain and simple. im sure if i would have quit with 1 second left i would be in trouble and he would get to play the computer. so just becuz hes never been in trouble before nothing should happen. now people should feel like if there down by alot on 4th and 1 they can just go for it as a plan to change the game and its ok to do it becuz if u allow him to do then why wouldnt u allow others. which now means the rules u wrote are now flawed. with rules being flawed it slowly becomes regular online play. becuz an excuse can be made for any situation and u can use the nfl coach did it once so i thought i could
 
[quote name='DVO21']i cant change the outcome ur right. but the point is the rules are right there for people to read plain and simple. he should have read them and played by them. whats the point of having the rules if people can break them and nothing happens. he broke 2 of ur rules and u gave him a warning. sorry im in the military been in for a while u dont follow the rules u ge the hammer plain and simple. im sure if i would have quit with 1 second left i would be in trouble and he would get to play the computer. so just becuz hes never been in trouble before nothing should happen. now people should feel like if there down by alot on 4th and 1 they can just go for it as a plan to change the game and its ok to do it becuz if u allow him to do then why wouldnt u allow others. which now means the rules u wrote are now flawed. with rules being flawed it slowly becomes regular online play. becuz an excuse can be made for any situation and u can use the nfl coach did it once so i thought i could[/QUOTE]

If u would of stopped him u would of had prime field postion to go up 28 with momentum....but u didn't so ur mad lol
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.[/QUOTE]

Nickel is 80% of my defense this year
 
DVO, did you read the rules yourself? Based on what you're saying, it really doesn't seem like you did.

There is nothing in them which says "if you go for it on 4th down in an iffy spot, you get a strike." The last word on 4th down is that you need to be able to defend the decision in the thread. He did to my satisfaction, and it seems that a good number of people who aren't you agree with that. Now, we have 2 other commissioners, both of whom probably have their own opinions on the matter. It was my judgement that what he did did not warrant a strike.

There is also no rule which says "you have to take a knee", but it is generally covered under not running up the score. That section literally says: "Repeated violations of the rule can earn you a strike." This is not a repeated violation, it's one violation. He's been warned, and he's said he won't do it again.

I'm going to put this as nicely as possible: You're not winning this battle, continuing to grouse about it and blame the "flawed rules" when really you're just upset that you lost is not going to do you much good.

If you think I'm handling this inappropriately, we have 2 other commissioners, feel free to bring it up with them.
 
it wouldnt change the fact that he broke a league rule and i still would have thought of him as a douche since its the first time i played him and hes new to the league its important that he should make good impressions on people. and people need to stand by the rules they wrote or just delete them
 
[quote name='DVO21']and people need to stand by the rules they wrote or just delete them[/QUOTE]

You are dangerously close to getting a warning yourself right now, and you are acting like 10 times the douche that he did. I'm sorry that you don't see that.
 
u think i care if i lose seriously bv check my record from last year i dont think its an issue and ive never complained before so why would i care now. its not about that at all. its whatever though i will just take this as if im going to do better make a vaild excuse first so that its ok.
 
ur going to give me a warning for speaking my mind on the subject where in ur rules does it say i cant do that

well im going to bed and from now on just palying my games and not going to post but here and there
 
[quote name='DVO21']it wouldnt change the fact that he broke a league rule and i still would have thought of him as a douche since its the first time i played him and hes new to the league its important that he should make good impressions on people. and people need to stand by the rules they wrote or just delete them[/QUOTE]

bright side ull play him again... ive taken 2 sim losses lol id.rather of.lost a close game like u did
 
[quote name='DVO21']ur going to give me a warning for speaking my mind on the subject where in ur rules does it say i cant do that
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Sure it does. There's a whole section on thread ettiquette, the central tenet of which is "don't be a dick." You're acting like a gigantic one.

You spoke your mind. Everyone heard what you had to say, even though you could not possibly have been more off base if you'd tried. You're not speaking your mind anymore, you're just being an ass.
 
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