[quote name='refusedchaos']hey y does chat (the chat romm thingie on the xmb) on the ps3 have a lot of lag? me and my friends have have NAT 2 and decent connections....but our in-game chat is fine[/QUOTE]Having NAT Type 2 is a must, although if the IP isn't static, it can reset (possibly putting you on type 3). Internet connection speed is also very important, because if your internet is on the slower side, it will have issue (I had disconnection issues with my old internet). But most of the time, chat works well for me.
I will say the chat does have a little bit of a delay.
[quote name='geko29']We've been over this, ad nauseum. The GS+EE and all the other associated hardware costs a whole lot more than the $5 you think it should. Hardware doesn't cost what you'd like it to, and just saying it should be cheap doesn't make it so, no matter how many times you repeat it. The EE+GS costs money. So does the PS2 southbridge. So does the larger system board. So does the RDRAM. Granted, not all the requisite parts are expensive, but $5 here, $2 there, $35 over there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.
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USB ports to save pennies! Do you have any idea how little they cost? Since hardware BC costs literally thousands of times more than the USB ports do, you can bet your ass that the GS+EE will NEVER be in a production PS3 ever again. Software emulation may come. It may not. But that's the most you can hope for.
WE GET IT, you want BC. So get it. 80GBs are still available new everywhere, though probably not for too long. 60GBs can be had new in some places (warehouse clubs notably). Those AND the 20GB are WIDELY available on the used market, for vastly less than MSRP. If it's that important to you, get it. If it ISN'T that important to you, quit bitching about it.[/QUOTE]Well, there is the tiny circuit involved when including a USB port. Also, they figured people can buy a USB hub if they feel they need more USB ports.
And I'm glad you agreed with my statement over adding hardware BC does cost money. One reason MS has a cost advantage for the 360 is that it lacks hardware components for the original Xbox. I do see Sony adding 100% software emulation for PS2 games on the 40GB, but it won't come until PS2 is just about dead (so they can make all games work), and when they finish it.
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I have no idea on how to tell an 80 from a 60. I've heard that the serial number indicates what model it is, but I don't know how.[/QUOTE]Only way to tell is by the box. If the consoles are sitting side by side, then it's very hard to tell.
It'sMagneto;3995860]Ok I'm about ready to pounce on a 60 or 20 ps3 from gamestop/eb. How can I tell if it's really a model that supports BC and not just a 60 gb hd thrown in? Aren't there number/letter codes to look for?
Second said:
The way to tell a 20GB from a 60GB is a 20GB is all black while the 60GB has a crome trim.
I'm going to search for the 80GB SKU number. Once I find it, I'll let you know.