Superstar Billy Graham's wrestling topic

[quote name='Zenithian Legend']That's it, where's the Lashley ninja turtle pic. I had a stellar wrestler picked out for the next topic, but I think it needs to go to Lashley. Done by Demoman of course, using the ninja turtle pic at the top.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget:

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my personal favorite.
 
[quote name='xcoax']Don't forget:

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my personal favorite.[/quote]

Classic, just classic.

Update:

In a thread on the message board of the official web site of former ECW Champion Bobby Lashley where fans were speculating his return date, an administrator account claiming to be Bobby Lashley posted the following message at 9:04 PM on January 21, 2008: ”I'm sorry all but there will not be a Bobby Lashley return to the WWE.”

Few fans were taking the message seriously as they accused the poster of covering up for a return storyline. The person who says they are Lashley reassured fans that he was serious yesterday morning (January 22, 2008) in the following message that was posted at 9:48 AM: ”I am sorry to everyone here but I am serious when I say I won't be back. Everyone wants to come here and hear the real story and I am telling you the real story. Circumstances which are out of my control left me no decision but to leave the WWE. I can't go into details of this now but like I said before sometimes people will hate you personally and try to destroy you which has happened here. Evil has prevailed however like I said before if you continue your struggle doors will open around these people. You have not scene the last of me so please don't stop your support. Add Bobby Lashley to the list of RECENTLY RELEASED!”

The person claiming to be Bobby Lashley became frustrated with fans that refused to believe that he was telling the truth. The following message was posted under the account 6:04 PM yesterday evening: "I feel like there is no reason to come to this chat room any more if nobody listens to me. People this is Bobby Lashley and I am serious, no surprises. I just wanted to be the first to tell all the people who supported me." Just three minutes after posting this message the person claiming to be Lashley wrote, ”My release from the WWE will probably be online soon, maybe by the end of the week.”

Shortly after the forum administrator to the official message board of Lashley’s web site told readers to listen to Lashley, that he was telling the truth. Yesterday at 7:09 PM the account claiming to be Lashley wrote the following in the same thread regarding his future: “Thanks for the nice words Jess (the forum admin) and everyone else. Like I said before I will be doing something big really soon. You can't keep a real fighter down. PS

In what I found as a very odd message, making me doubt the entire thing was true, the following was posted from the account claiming to be Bobby Lashley at 1:08 AM this morning: “I am pretty torn on what to do next. Please can i get some input from all of you”

At this point we are unable to confirm or deny anything. From everything that we have heard, Lashley is due to return to WWE sometime this month from shoulder surgery. However, these messages from the person claiming to be Bobby Lashley indicate otherwise. As of the time of this writing there are no mentions on the official WWE web site nor has any official announcement been made. We will keep you updated as this story continues to develop.
 
We are now able to confirm that Bobby Lashley is gone from World Wrestling Entertainment. In a phone call placed to WrestlingNewsWorld.com's Ryan Gray, Lashley said that he is gone from the company. While he would not give any specifics he made it clear that he did not want to leave but had too due to circumstances beyond his control.

Lashley told WrestlingNewsWorld.com's Ryan Gray that he was training hard for a potential career in Mixed Martial Arts. The former ECW Champion said that despite the fact that he wanted to pursue an MMA career, it would not be with UFC.

Lashley would not comment on whether or not he would be interested in going to TNA Wrestling. He said that WWE has granted his release but it would not be announced until the paperwork was finalized.

Unless someone can imitate Lashley's effete voice on the phone, it's confirmed.

START THE PARADE!

EDIT:

Rob Van Dam appeared on SportsTalkCleveland.com's Pro Wrestling Insider show last night and spent over 40 minutes discussing several controversial subjects such as Vince McMahon's new ECW, "one of the boys, that's married to one of the boss' daughters", and much more. The following are some excerpts from the interview:

On whether he is bitter over his WWE run: "Honestly, I don't feel I am bitter at all. When I went to WWE, in the summer of 2001, I didn't even want to go. It was never my favorite style of wrestling, even since I was a little kid and it was the only style of wrestling that I knew. So, when I went there in 2001, it was all business. At that point in my career, it was all business, and I was already tired of traveling. I already really peaked my interest in ECW, as an artist. In the original ECW, I felt like I was an artist out there, and I had the freedom to display my ability, my talents, and to show what I wanted to show, and win the fans over. It was in my control."

On the ECW revival in WWE moving away from the original ECW concept: "When they squashed the spirit of ECW, I was still kicking on the way out. I would tell Vince, "If you do this, the ECW fans aren't going to like this, that's not what this is about." That's when I realized (it was doomed) because he told me, exactly "Rob, I never intended this to be like the old ECW. Nobody remembers the old ECW." I'd say, "You've got to be kidding me! You don't think anybody remembers it? Why do you think the Pay-per-view was so successful, and the DVD! Isn't that why you're bringing it back?" (Does Vince McMahon voice) "Rob, for all I know, those 2500 fans at the Manhattan Center were the last of the old ECW fans."

Vince McMahon's reason why fans still chanted "ECW": "I said "Vince, why do you think they still chant ECW?" (Does Vince McMahon voice) "Because I've trained them to do that over the last five years." Seriously, how do you argue with that? You don't, eventually you throw in the towel, which is what I did."

On Rob's appreciation of his fans: "I would be the only person who would go out behind the building and ... oh wait, that was something else I used to do (laughs). I would go out back and I would sign autographs for the fans that are waiting out there, and they would say "Oh Rob, you're the only one who has come up to us all day!" and I would say "Of course, it's pouring rain, and you've been standing under a tree all day, you don't expect wrestlers to come out here, do you?" But I would usually do it, because I would get energy out of that, and know that they would remember that."

On his WWE Title win: "WWE never planned on pushing me, they had no choice because the fans demanded it. I was told, when we were talking about bringing ECW back as a third brand, and when Paul (Heyman) was talking about putting the World Championship Title on RVD to kickstart ECW, I was told that one of the boys, that's married to one of the boss' daughters, actually said that "RVD just doesn't have that connection with the crowd". Now, is that a genuine comment, or is that a back-stabbing, throat-slicing comment to try and keep yourself from feeling threatened by somebody else?"

Heh. The thing about RVD: he's too high to be bitter, so I really have no doubt that much of what he says here is the truth.

Also, of *course* nobody remembers ECW. That's why its current ratings are through the roof. :lol:
 
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Age of The Fall vs. No Remorse Corps
Jimmy Jacobs & ??? with Lacey vs. Roderick Strong & Rocky Romero

No DQ Match
BJ Whitmer & Brent Albright vs. Delirious & El Generico

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I just read that. Last time ROH had a mystery partner, it was Jimmy Jacobs replacing Steve Corino. Thankfully, there's little chance of that happening on Friday.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

Heh. The thing about RVD: he's too high to be bitter, so I really have no doubt that much of what he says here is the truth.

Also, of *course* nobody remembers ECW. That's why its current ratings are through the roof. :lol:[/quote]

Once high, doens't mean always high - people can change, you know..

Maybe I'm defending him because I've loved his character and the charisma he's brought with him to the ring, but yea...who's to say he's still a pothead
 
I got the Bret Hart Autobiography for my birthday from my girlfriend and i'm about 2/3rds through it and i don't know if i can read anymore. The first 1/3rd was excellent, but the second half so far contains too much self fellatio. If i have to read one more time about some bullshit story about Bret having to carry everyone on the roster because no one can work or tell a compelling story i'm going to bash my head in the wall. I've never rolled my eyes so much reading a autobiography before.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I just read that. Last time ROH had a mystery partner, it was Jimmy Jacobs replacing Steve Corino. Thankfully, there's little chance of that happening on Friday.[/quote]

Well the story goes that Dinsmore is in the UK so it isn't him.
 
The "story," huh?

Man, what a blessing it would be to see him without his "special needs" gimmick again.

EDIT: I think it says something about the state of wrestling in general, or WWE, that nobody here seems to be giving a shit about internet darling CM Punk's title loss, or the leaving of Lashley from WWE. There was an hour or two of discussion, and that was it. Fascinating.
 
1: I didn't even know there was a title match last night. Was there even a promo for it during Raw?
2: Lashley leaving doesn't really matter in the first place. What was his best accomplishment? The ECW title?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The "story," huh?

Man, what a blessing it would be to see him without his "special needs" gimmick again.

EDIT: I think it says something about the state of wrestling in general, or WWE, that nobody here seems to be giving a shit about internet darling CM Punk's title loss, or the leaving of Lashley from WWE. There was an hour or two of discussion, and that was it. Fascinating.[/quote]

I care if Lashley leaves, I rather enjoyed his presence. I probably am the only one here that does though.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The "story," huh?

Man, what a blessing it would be to see him without his "special needs" gimmick again.

EDIT: I think it says something about the state of wrestling in general, or WWE, that nobody here seems to be giving a shit about internet darling CM Punk's title loss, or the leaving of Lashley from WWE. There was an hour or two of discussion, and that was it. Fascinating.[/quote]
I give a shit but like Legend said, Punk could be moving on to bigger and better things.

It looks as if Punk is being moved into his first meaningful angle since the New Blood angle crashed and burned. Everything involving Punk since then has been filler and this potentially allows Punk to have a greater role on Smackdown.
 
I agree with both of you on Lashley. I think I didn't like him as a matter of the fact that he was forced down our throats, and at the time he was shit on (rightfully) for what he represented (the death of any hopes of ECW being...well, ECW) when he won the ECW title at that awful PPV, December to Dismember. The crowd shit all over that match, especially him winning the belt...and the WWE stuck with it, and he never lost it, he just moved from ECW to Raw.

Nothing against him personally...but I see him as a "Hercules Hernandez" kind of guy. A good hand, but not a titleholder. Not yet anyway. So, for him to be in the position he was put in just oozed the massive amount of contempt WWE has for its fans and their wishes.
 
My concern over Lashley is that I never developed any sort of connection with him. I didn't get Sci-Fi until after he was getting heavily pushed on Raw, so I missed out any of his work there. And the whole McMahon angle just never worked for me.

After the draft, I can't even remember anything he did on Raw. Was he injured during the match with Cena? Or afterwards?

As for CM Punk losing the title, I just assumed it meant he was moving towards Smackdown to go after the US title.

Edit: Missed out on his Smackdown work as well since I didn't actively watch Smackdown during that time.
 
I totally agree with you when it comes to the CM Punk thing. Having not watched ECW for the last two months or so, and not watching Smackdown... well, ever... I just lost interest. Ever since he gained the title, there has been nothing for him to work towards. WWE has officially killed my desire to watch the new ECW while I was one of the few here that actually tuned in every week.

I personally agree with everything that RVD said in that interview, whether he actually said it or not.
 
Bobby Lashley leaving is the best news I've heard wrestling wise since Cena got hurt.

I hated him and he seemed like a black hole of charisma.
 
More Lashley stuff - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=21906

I'm surprised to see him go from the company, but it'll be interesting to see just what reasons are given publicly and what ends up being the case. If it's true that he's leaving because of a racially-charged storyline pitched for his girlfriend, then I think he's got a valid reason to go.

There is a bit more mirroring with Brock with this in a way, as Brock left WWE, in part, due to his girlfriend at the time, and Lashley, like Brock, could make a successful transition into MMA, and he's done some MMA training before. I don't think he could command as much money as Brock, but since he was in 'Mania's biggest-drawing match last year (which was the biggest money-making 'Mania show of all-time), perhaps her could equal it or surpass it.

It's also worth noting though that Lashley looked very, very skinny when he appeared at the Nick awards with Torrie, and perhaps he wanted to leave because he couldn't maintain his physique naturally, or maybe it's injury-related and he just wants to get out after a good run and stay healthy for the rest of his life.

Edit - Even more on Lashley leaving WWE, including his MMA history, info about Cena deciding to not wrestle at 'Mania, but hoping to get off for the HoF ceremony, and some stuff about an RVD interview where he airs his negative thoughts about Jericho and HHH. - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=21910
 
If anything, the Lashley thing demonstrates that, regardless of the push you've gotten, you're easily disposed of.

It's as if Lashley was Vince's new toy last year, and now he's bored of it. When I he left, I assumed that he would be brought back the same way he left, as one of the big, main-event caliber (ha) guys. However, since the reports also seem to indicate that there weren't really any firm plans for him yet show how far he's apparently fallen in Vince's eyes. That, and let's be fair here, if Vince thought that Lashley really had talent and an ability to draw, he would have never granted the release, giving him the option of, say, going to TNA.

Regardless, if this is indeed true, this is already a contender for best wrestling news of 2008, even with 11 more months to go.
 
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The $1,000 Daniel Puder Submission Challenge!

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Larry Sweeney off the top rope with an elbow drop to a chair on the face of Claudio!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I agree with both of you on Lashley. I think I didn't like him as a matter of the fact that he was forced down our throats, and at the time he was shit on (rightfully) for what he represented (the death of any hopes of ECW being...well, ECW) when he won the ECW title at that awful PPV, December to Dismember. The crowd shit all over that match, especially him winning the belt...quote]

I was at that PPV in Augusta. I really thought there was going to be a riot. First people were pissed that Sabu was removed from the match, and then we go served a long line of shitty matches after the opening Hardys/MNM tag match. Finally, Lashley winning the title sent the crowd into a frenzy who were clearly behind RVD and CM Punk. The coolest thing was the long ovation for the Big Show after the match. It was spontaneous and a large contrast to the main event ending.
 
Why did the crowd applaud Big Show?

As for RVD's comments about Vince McMahon claiming (1) people don't remember "ECW," and (2) that he trained the fans to chant "ECW," isn't it impossible to think McMahon would *not* say something like that?
 
Right now, it isn't known if Lashley has actually been granted his release by WWE, and it doesn't seem like a situation where WWE wants to release him - he just wants out of his deal.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Bobby Lashley is a big muscle dude with a nice smile and no wrestling ability. It's quite surprising, then, that he would leave WWE.[/QUOTE]

O RLY?

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[quote name='mykevermin']Why did the crowd applaud Big Show?
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It was pretty well known that the EEC was going to be his "last" match and after the string of fantastic matches (well, on ECW) where he put his body on the line, he deserved it.

In fact, the way they handle Big Show was almost classic ECW. They took a talent that wasn't being used properly elsewhere, managed to rebuild his character/make him into a credible threat and won over the fans.
 
Spoiler regarding Christopher Daniels.

TNA brought him back as Curry Man. :roll:
 
[quote name='MaskedPlague']I was at that PPV in Augusta. I really thought there was going to be a riot. First people were pissed that Sabu was removed from the match, and then we go served a long line of shitty matches after the opening Hardys/MNM tag match. Finally, Lashley winning the title sent the crowd into a frenzy who were clearly behind RVD and CM Punk. The coolest thing was the long ovation for the Big Show after the match. It was spontaneous and a large contrast to the main event ending.[/quote]
I was there as well. Very accurate description, couldn't have said it any better. Hardys/MNM was incredible. I should've just left after that match. December I Wish I Didn't Remember.

[quote name='Sporadic']It was pretty well known that the EEC was going to be his "last" match and after the string of fantastic matches (well, on ECW) where he put his body on the line, he deserved it.

In fact, the way they handle Big Show was almost classic ECW. They took a talent that wasn't being used properly elsewhere, managed to rebuild his character/make him into a credible threat and won over the fans.[/quote]
There were a lot of informed fans there that night, much more than are at a typical WWE show. That was pretty much the last hurrah for the ECW faithful, if you will. I stopped watching the show after that week's episode.

[quote name='Demolition Man']No wonder why he's pushing Brock's debut in the UFC.... he secretly won the UFC title. ;)[/quote]
TNA, IWGP, UFC...I bet he's going for Wimbledon next.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']No wonder why he's pushing Brock's debut in the UFC.... he secretly won the UFC title. ;)[/quote]

TNA, IWGP, UFC...I bet he's going for Wimbledon next.
 
[quote name='neocisco']TNA, IWGP, UFC...I bet he's going for Wimbledon next.[/QUOTE]

Maybe he can even play the role of Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.... seeing he has that little ankle issue at the moment. :lol:
 
[quote name='007']If anything, the Lashley thing demonstrates that, regardless of the push you've gotten, you're easily disposed of.

It's as if Lashley was Vince's new toy last year, and now he's bored of it.[/quote]

Very good comparison and it makes perfect sense. Too bad (for him) one of his latest toys "Cena" had a mishap a few months back...

[quote name='Demolition Man']O RLY?

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:rofl: just reminds me of how much I dislike steiner
 
Lashley certainly has wrestling ability, and to not at least give him credit for this is just bewildering to me, as it's about all he had going for him aside from BIG MUSCLES... which went away, as shown by a recent pic of him and Torrie Wilson at the Nick Awards.

I look forward to him coming to TNA (if WWE just gives him a standard release/non-compete deal), leading to the inevitable "OH WE KNOW WHO THIS!" and "FORMER EMPLOYER!" lines from Mike and Don on Impact. That image, while funny-ish, isn't quite accurate, as TNA does have a drug policy of some kind in place - the baseline tests were taken before the most recent TV tapings.
 
Coincidence that I suggested more title changes and it happens? Its not like I'm on the inside or something.

Title changes keep things interesting, entertaining. World wrestling ENTERTAINMENT is a business out to make money. Having the belts as "props" can be entertaining. A more entertaining show can lead to more audiences tuning in. I would say that a common wrestling fan is more into the good guy fighting the bad guy. They could care less how prestigious a belt is. Title changes wouldn't upset a normal wrestling fan. The only people that would make a big deal about it are the smart marks, smarks.

I'm happy for Chavo, I hope he gets a good push.

**CM Punk, the next guy for Edge to defend his title against and squash Which is why CM lost the belt.


**hint
 
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