Survivor Redemption island Feb. 16th on CBS official discussion thread

The previous season was so terrible that (in my opinion), while this season isn't one of the best, it seems great in comparison. I don't mind Boston Rob—that helps, I suppose.
 
[quote name='Wet Ninja']The previous season was so terrible that (in my opinion), while this season isn't one of the best, it seems great in comparison. I don't mind Boston Rob—that helps, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. In fact - I quit on last season about 5 episodes in because it was so horrible. This season hasn't been great but it has been OK. I hate the entire concept of redemption island though.
 
[quote name='Javery']Agreed. In fact - I quit on last season about 5 episodes in because it was so horrible. This season hasn't been great but it has been OK. I hate the entire concept of redemption island though.[/QUOTE]It wouldn't be as bad if we didn't have three or four people hanging out there in the last few weeks.

One-on-one, it's an OK concept. Three or four against one another, not so much.

Still have to go back to Season 1 as one the best seasons.
 
[quote name='hufferstl']I think redemption island might work if they would join back into the tribe at the merge. Joining is at this point is dumb.[/QUOTE]

I think it's lame as hell that they don't re-join every week or two. Matt isn't really playing the game by winning a bunch of duels. And these 3-4 way duels are dumb. Everyone but 1 person should go home.
 
Agreed. Not liking how Redemption Island is playing out. Doesn't seem like Survivior if someone can just get lucky winning some challenges on Redemption Island and make it to the end. Takes away the whole social aspect of trying to stay in the game. Also, as cheesy as it was, I liked the snuffing out the torch after tribal counsel and seeing the person kicked from the game. Going to Redemption Island instead and only being kicked for good because you lost a challenge is just boring. I like the season though. Boston Rob has played a great game. And Natalie is unbelievably cute.
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned Mike's decision to forgo a visit with his mom and giving the 6 remaining tribe members vists with their family. I immediately thought it was stupid decision, but I absolutely think it wasn't based upon strategy but more of making 6 people happy as opposed to making self happy. I thought it was a stupid way for Survivor to incorporate the family. It works better and has more repercussions if its a person on the team making the decision.
 
[quote name='cheapfrag']I can't believe no one has mentioned Mike's decision to forgo a visit with his mom and giving the 6 remaining tribe members vists with their family. I immediately thought it was stupid decision, but I absolutely think it wasn't based upon strategy but more of making 6 people happy as opposed to making self happy. I thought it was a stupid way for Survivor to incorporate the family. It works better and has more repercussions if its a person on the team making the decision.[/QUOTE]

I hate the family thing. My wife and I already agreed that if either of us went on the show we wouldn't choose the other for the family reward - we'd probably choose the most athletic person we know in case there is a challenge involved.

So things that have to go:
- redemption island
- family time A.K.A. "The Crying Hour of Pussies"
- the remembrance thing with the torches - I never watch this episode
- the ease at which shelters are built and food is obtained

I'm sure I can think of more.
 
Seeing a loved one's message on video makes you want to die, true story.

I always loathe this part of Survivor, it was interesting the first time and only redeemed itself with Johnny Fairplay but even then he had no advantage by "winning" time with a loved one.
 
That part of Survivor has devolved into a cellphone advertisement. The past few years it's bad. I liked back when they gave away cars. But now it's a joke. Like where these people are supposed to be "surviving" on bare essentials but get things like entire Craftsman tool sets "provided by the good folks at Sears." I think a few years back they started providing them with clean water daily, they don't have to collect it from the wilderness and boil it anymore.
 
I agree, while I'm sure it's still not easy to be on Survivor, it's not as rough as it once was on the contestants. I was also surprised they didn't do a Survivor auction this year for food/gross shit. Those are always good for a laugh. But I guess they didn't have time for that because of this Redemption Island crap. I really hope they take that out next season. I want two challenges, one reward, one immunity again.
 
There's only one thing this show needs: no more fucking tribes. Merge everybody from the start. The tribes shit is the only weak spot in the show that ensures the same outcome every season: one tribe getting decimated and the endgame being boring as fuck.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']There's only one thing this show needs: no more fucking tribes. Merge everybody from the start. The tribes shit is the only weak spot in the show that ensures the same outcome every season: one tribe getting decimated and the endgame being boring as fuck.[/QUOTE]

Or never merge at all or go back to more then two tribes.
 
But I guess they didn't have time for that because of this Redemption Island crap. I really hope they take that out next season. I want two challenges, one reward, one immunity again.
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Agreed. Redemption Island is a terrible idea and makes watching this game very boring.

I'd like to see them give away cars, and no more cellphone ads. There's more than enough of those on TV already.
 
The family thing is typically good for causing some contention in the tribe. It seems to be the one reward people get the most upset about if they don't get chosen, which is always strange to me. Maybe I'm not as close to my family as some of the players or maybe I just don't understand the strong desire they have after a few weeks of playing a game to have some genuine conversation, but I've always just looked at it with the point of view of, "Man, these people are going to be home in like 15 days and will get all the family time they want."

But, anyways, in the past, the reward has been a good way of breaking up alliances or tossing one person on the chopping block who might otherwise have previously been safe. It's just that this season, we saw none of that since the person who got to decide is not even in the game technically and, thus, no real drama resulted from family week. For some odd reason, the producers really haven't appeared to have much desire to throw wrenches in alliances like they have in the past.
 
Here's one thing that I know everyone will be overjoyed about. :roll: They're only kicking out one person on Wednesday. :whistle2:s

I was looking at the To-Do list on my Tivo to make sure the reunion show was being recorded (sometimes it's not recorded, depending on how it's worded in the show title) and noticed that the description of the final episode before the reunion show was "Eight contestants compete for $1,000,000" or something along those lines.

So, it looks like we have a "normal" show on Wednesday, kicking out one person on Redemption Island, and then we go into the 2-hour finale needing to dump five people, do the final tribal council, and the final vote for the winner.

CBS has lost its mind with the pacing/scheduling this season on episodes.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Here's one thing that I know everyone will be overjoyed about. :roll: They're only kicking out one person on Wednesday. :whistle2:s

I was looking at the To-Do list on my Tivo to make sure the reunion show was being recorded (sometimes it's not recorded, depending on how it's worded in the show title) and noticed that the description of the final episode before the reunion show was "Eight contestants compete for $1,000,000" or something along those lines.

So, it looks like we have a "normal" show on Wednesday, kicking out one person on Redemption Island, and then we go into the 2-hour finale needing to dump five people, do the final tribal council, and the final vote for the winner.

CBS has lost its mind with the pacing/scheduling this season on episodes.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm sure they will get rid of at least 3 at once at the redemption island challenge.
 
I actually wish they would go back to having only two people sitting before the jury. If you think about it, most of the time one of the people sitting for the million don't even get one vote, it's always between two of them.

I'm guessing there will be a 4 person Redemption Island thing and the person in first will come back into the game then have two immunity challenges to whittle it down to 3.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']There's only one thing this show needs: no more fucking tribes. Merge everybody from the start. The tribes shit is the only weak spot in the show that ensures the same outcome every season: one tribe getting decimated and the endgame being boring as fuck.[/QUOTE]


What I would like to see is one camp or tribe, but for each challenge they divide up into random teams. The winning team's players get reward and the losing team's players go immediately to tribal council. They then all go back to the same camp, and at the next challenge they create new random teams. This way everybody has the same social game with all players instead of just two halves against each other.
 
[quote name='bkjohns1']What I would like to see is one camp or tribe, but for each challenge they divide up into random teams. The winning team's players get reward and the losing team's players go immediately to tribal council. They then all go back to the same camp, and at the next challenge they create new random teams. This way everybody has the same social game with all players instead of just two halves against each other.[/QUOTE]

That is an awesome idea except it would kill alliances. What if you have a super strong majority alliance but you randomly get put on the losing team with only one other member of your big alliance - you would be going home not because of anything other than bad luck. Maybe they do the random team thing but everyone goes to tribal council except the entire winning team still has immunity? This way they still vote but can't be voted out. I like the random team idea a lot though.
 
I just think they need one big tribe, randomly divided up into teams only for challenges that the entire team earns immunity for. With random team leaders at the reward challenge on the odd weeks so the team that wins has their leader also earn immunity, so it's fair.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']One handgun, 19 bullets?

First one to the gun is the winner?[/QUOTE]

They should at least have to go through an obstacle course blindfolded and then solve a puzzle before getting the gun but otherwise its an excellent idea.
 
Survivor 23...just Russell vs. Rob, and just one immunity idol on a buoy way too far out to swim to. With Rupert and Cirie hosting instead of Jeff.

I would say I'm joking but I bet that's what it's going to be.
 
Ashley is a bitch. I was very surprised she won immunity. I hope they vote her off next.

Redemption could be interesting. Any one of those people could win it, and whoever comes back into the game will really change things up.
 
[quote name='powercreep']Sooooooo stupid last night. They just aren't going to vote Rob off at all, are they?[/QUOTE]

They are not. He still has that idol too. He has really played a masterful game - controlled every aspect of it (except for last night when they couldn't stop Ashley from winning immunity). It didn't matter though - Grant was the next to go home after Ashley anyway.

[quote name='2DMention']Ashley is a bitch. I was very surprised she won immunity. I hope they vote her off next.

Redemption could be interesting. Any one of those people could win it, and whoever comes back into the game will really change things up.[/QUOTE]

It will be disappointing if someone from Redemption Island wins the whole thing. The tribe has already spoken!!! I'm pulling for Rob - I don't know what more he could have done this season in order to win. It will also put some faith back into the game that the winner isn't determined by luck.
 
[quote name='Javery']


It will be disappointing if someone from Redemption Island wins the whole thing. The tribe has already spoken!!! I'm pulling for Rob - I don't know what more he could have done this season in order to win. It will also put some faith back into the game that the winner isn't determined by luck.[/QUOTE]

If Matt comes out of redemption and wins it, anybody else who actually played the game will get robbed. He would win basically by winning duels and challenges, without playing the social or strategic game at all.
 
I agree. If he does come out of Redemption to get to the final 3 he will probably win because the jury is full of bitter members from that loser tribe. It needs to be a final 3 of Rob's tribe for any of them to have a shot.

I can't believe Natalie and Ashley didn't team up to try and take out Rob. I guess getting rid of Grant was just as big of a deal (he is a threat and he has played a quiet but very effective game) but they have run out of opportunities on Rob now. Also, I'm not sure how they would have pulled it off - Philip and Grant are/were also completely loyal to Rob. Ashley is probably the biggest wild card left other than whoever comes out of Redemption because she seems willing to make a move (a little late, IMO).

Who do you think Rob is hoping comes out of Redemption? Ashley and Grant would probably be his best option but both have to feel completely betrayed. Matt or Mike would be a disaster for him.
 
I would think that Grant going would be a challenge against Mike or Matt, which is part of why he went there. Grant's more than a little irritated about being sent there, though Rob was going to sever one of his promises no matter what. The only person he wasn't "aligned" with was Andrea, and she couldn't have gone because she had immunity.

My question is what happens with the Immunity Idol. Isn't it no longer usable once we get down to four at tribal council? If that's the case, then Ashley and Nicole need to gang up against Rob and Philip and put it into a tie at tribal council.

I'm more worried that they'll dump the three people that don't win the next duel at Redemption Island and that person will end up being in the finals with the other two. That would be a real PITA for the last two that were left at the finals.

I think it should be that we have the last duel, the winner merges back into the tribe so we have five again, and then go through the remaining two immunity challenges and end up with the final three.
 
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[quote name='Javery']

Who do you think Rob is hoping comes out of Redemption? Ashley and Grant would probably be his best option but both have to feel completely betrayed. Matt or Mike would be a disaster for him.[/QUOTE]

Hard to say. He's probably hoping Andrea. You're right - Matt or Mike would win it.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']My question is what happens with the Immunity Idol. Isn't it no longer usable once we get down to four at tribal council? If that's the case, then Ashley and Nicole need to gang up against Rob and Philip and put it into a tie at tribal council.[/quote]

I think he can still play it. He has to be able to otherwise I think they would have mentioned it or interviewed Rob about his plans with respect to the idol. He can probably play it when it gets down to 5 definitively (including redemption island people - I can't believe there are still 8 people left and the season finale is the next episode!).

[quote name='shrike4242']I'm more worried that they'll dump the three people that don't win the next duel at Redemption Island and that person will end up being in the finals with the other two. That would be a real PITA for the last two that were left at the finals.

I think it should be that we have the last duel, the winner merges back into the tribe so we have five again, and then go through the remaining two immunity challenges and end up with the final three.[/QUOTE]

That is my biggest fear too - coming out of Redemption Island straight into the finals would be disastrous for the other two who have never been voted out of the game.

[quote name='2DMention']Hard to say. He's probably hoping Andrea. You're right - Matt or Mike would win it.[/QUOTE]

I think he is hoping for Andrea too. She was upset but it was way less of a betrayal than Grant was... although that's an argument for wanting him in the final 3 since he wouldn't be able to vote against you.
 
I hope Mike comes back and wins, only he never really had a chance to play the game, so it would be tough for him to go against Rob. Against anybody else and he's got a real chance. He was on a losing tribe and his attempt to make a move failed, but he's been destroying it at RI. Matt was the only true "survivor" winning all those, but since Mike showed up Matt has been getting second place and just got serious about the game way too late, pretty much just calling out that girl for screwing him over and her pwning him by saying "you're the douche that told Rob you AND me were going to go after him but decided not to."

Anybody other than Rob from that tribe has no chance against Matt or Mike. They were all lackeys that had an easy ride. The people on the other tribe fought tooth and nail the entire time.
 
I can't believe they still haven't voted Rob off. I want to say they're giving him the million by keeping him around, but I'm still not sure Rob has it in the bag because the same stuff happened with Russell. He played pretty much the greatest game ever but got snubbed twice. I won't be surprised if it happens to Rob too so Russell can say at the reunion show "Sucks, don't it?"
 
[quote name='tcrash247']I can't believe they still haven't voted Rob off. I want to say they're giving him the million by keeping him around, but I'm still not sure Rob has it in the bag because the same stuff happened with Russell. He played pretty much the greatest game ever but got snubbed twice. I won't be surprised if it happens to Rob too so Russell can say at the reunion show "Sucks, don't it?"[/QUOTE]

Even though Rob got lucky to be placed with the biggest idiots ever it would be pretty lame for him to get to the end and not win. That does remind me of Russells first season where he clearly should have won and made it very hard for me to believe the show isnt rigged.
 
What % of Survivor contestants are hot young pharmacutical Sales Rep. women who don't need the money?

Wasn't the nameless coattail rider who won Russell's season one of those?
 
[quote name='2DMention']What % of Survivor contestants are hot young pharmacutical Sales Rep. women who don't need the money?

Wasn't the nameless coattail rider who won Russell's season one of those?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think so.
 
I just felt bad for Mike at those tribals. All of them were nothing but Philip saying how he was a "hero" because he did some joke of a job for the FBI and was "honorably discharged" (ie: fired for being a lunatic...seriously, I grieve for America if those are the kind of people that get hired by the FBI). But Mike was an actual veteran of the war in Iraq, and was just humble and never bragged about it. He'd just sit there all quiet and say nothing.

Rob is shit-scared of Mike. Everytime Mike won at Redemption Island, Rob looked like he was about to have a panic attack. I really hope he gets to the end and smokes Rob.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Rob is shit-scared of Mike. Everytime Mike won at Redemption Island, Rob looked like he was about to have a panic attack. I really hope he gets to the end and smokes Rob.[/QUOTE]

I'm torn. I think Rob has played a great game (with a bunch of twits). I amazed at how well he reads people. Of course, he is very hypocritical in some regards but who isn't. Mike is a nice guy and a veteren and would likely win if in the finals because the jury is all his tribe buddies and that would be nice for him, but it's not Survivor. The reason you make alliances is to get the upper hand and vote off the other guys, but now one of those other guys comes back and the jury likes him and he wins.
 
[quote name='cheapfrag']but now one of those other guys comes back and the jury likes him and he wins.[/QUOTE]

Not much difference between that and when the jury doesn't vote for the best player because they are all butt-hurt that they were outplayed by that person.

Admittedly, Rob is probably playing his best game. It didn't hurt for him though that his tribe was all starstruck over him. I guess deep down inside I really don't want Rob to win because Russell was shafted once for sure and maybe twice after making it to the finals in his previous seasons. Since this season was basically set up as Rob v. Russ....well, Rob winning wasn't what I wanted to see.
 
Still, seems the only true "unity" that exists in this game were all the people that bonded at Redemption Island. They're tighter than Rob's tribe by far. And it is about "redemption", so somebody could come back and have every right to win and that the old rules don't apply. And without Redemption Island, Rob probably would have been voted out long ago (only wasn't because they figured he could come back), so if Rob loses and pisses and moans one more time about how "Redemption Island makes it harder for me" I'm going to vomit.
 
Rob did it, hopefully I won't have to see him ever again on Survivor, unless he comes back when this check runs out. I would have shit myself if Phillip pulled that one out of his ass. The question I pose now, did Rob play a great game or were the people he played with just really stupid to not vote him out? Time to wait for the next season!
 
Yawn. Worst season ever. If the next season isn't standard formula (no All-Stars, no Redemption Island, etc.), I'm gonna have to skip it.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Yawn. Worst season ever. If the next season isn't standard formula (no All-Stars, no Redemption Island, etc.), I'm gonna have to skip it.[/QUOTE]

I was hoping for this also, but unfortunately next season is an exact copy of this one, bleh. I'll still watch it though because I'm a sucker for Survivor.
 
Time to speculate who the 2 past survivors to come back are. It won't be Rob or Russell. I am going to have to go with Rupert and James the gravedigger. Although I would rather it be someone like dumbass Erik the ice cream guy or Kenny the pro video gamer. Someone who has only had one season.
 
I'm glad Rob won - he deserved it. Not only did he get to the final 3 - he hand-picked the two other people sitting next to him that he knew he could beat. I'm surprised Grant was still so upset.
 
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