The General 360 Owners/Buyers FAQ Thread (Updated 1/15/10)

I just say I'm a collector. It works... I have had the same person ring up about 30 games for me. She asked me if I actually played all the games or what. Me saying I was a collector worked just fine.

If I'm buying multiples at the same time, which I try not to do, I will say that ones for me and ones for my cousin or something like that.

For the most part though, I'm never asked anything. The managers are just happy to get rid of games. In their opinion, it's better that I trade in 1 game for $20 and then buy 2 games for $20 than not doing anything at all. I'm lowering their store inventory by a lot and I'm making their store seem like it's one of the best by buying lots of used games.
 
[quote name='tianxia']
3) He then looks at me and goes, "If you're looking for flips back to Blockbuster, we still have a copy of World Series of Poker left."
4) His manager overhears and says "You might want to go easy on the trades, a lot of people have been pulling the Blockbuster scam lately and corporate's going to come down on it soon."[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if Corporate does know about this. You now what? They probably don't care. How are they losing out? We trade BBs inventory into their store (GS encourages trade-ins) and then buy used copies of games (how they make their profit)to trade back into BB. The only thing that would concern corporate is the trading in of stolen games. The manager's statement is just a misguided attempt to protect, in his mind, GS. You are helping his store numbers, so why should he care.

Re: #3 - Now that is good customer service. I'm jealous. :lol:
 
So here's a dilema.

In the last 3 days I have successfully flipped about $130 worth of CC clearance games (7 AITD and 2 Fire Emblems) into nearly $300 credit at BBV. Boo-ya. My goal was to pick up a 360 Arcade (as I already have a $17 20gb HDD from a K-Mart clearance last year...yeah, I was planning ahead) as well as a 12mo. Gold sub and some Live points. Good plan, huh?

Here's the problem: Blockbuster apparently does not stock the Arcade system. The cheapest unit I've seen in stock was an old 20gb Pro for $259. I know I've got the credit, but an extra $60 for a HDD I don't need? No way. Gamerush isn't an option, because apparently they don't exist anywhere near me (upstate NY).

One employee told me that they were awaiting shipment of new bundles from Microsoft any day now. At a different store, I was told that that's complete BS. I'd like to hold out hope that M$ is, in fact, shipping out new bundles of Jasper-equipped 360s that coincide with the new price points (effectively replacing the Falcon units that are currently out in the wild), but I haven't heard this anywhere else. I'd like to avoid having to transfer $300 of BBV credit to Gamestop, slowly, game by game, if possible.

So are there any BBV employees out there with any knowledge of new stock coming soon? Or, else, does anyone have some advice, or an idea I haven't thought of, on how I can use this steaming pile of credit to get myself a HDD-less 360?
 
Repost of My BBV TIV for 360 Space Chimps from Saturday night 15 not 28.50. I lost a few bucks.

Also, my two cents on corporate cracking down: Does GS really want their employees arbitrarily determining who is trading in games like SOF that they actually bought and played from people who purchased SOF from BBV and are now attempting to flip it to GS? That has disaster written all over it!
 
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[quote name='salty tbone']I've never had an employee tell me when they were charging a refurb fee. I would know based on the total they quote, and I would make a point of letting them know that they should tell the customer about the fee. The times I've been hit with the fee have at least been legit, though (pretty bad circle scratches, etc.).[/quote]

I have to agree, the addition of refurb fee's without informing the customer before the trade is completed is completely cheeseball tactics. I was hit with two refurbs over the weekend on discs that I thought were perfect, if it wasn't for the fact I wasn't sure when the 3+5 promotion was scheduled to end, I would have taken them to another store. The computer also convientenly forgot to add the +5 to 1 out of 15 games traded (Avatar wii), because of the refurb fee I scrutinized the receipt and caught the mistake. They had to redo the whole transaction :)

This last weekend destroyed my GS credit, I was at zero or close to it a number of time because of the flippable games being 24+$.

Funny story however, I have a local store that recently had a manager change (she transferred from another store to my local store to become the GM). A clerk had warned me that she was watching me as a potential flipper, so I decided to place her store on hold for a while. Instead I decided to trade 2 games to her old store on my way home friday night. I almost shit my pants when I walked through the door only to see her working at her old store, and then it just got plain worse. When she tried to apply my credit to my value card it turned out my card was maxed out at 500$, I had stupidly not kept track of the value on that card and she had to start a new value card for the remaining balance. So I went from being on her radar to being enemy #1 (I'm sure), needless to say I feel like an idiot :(
 
[quote name='dave auto']So here's a dilema.

In the last 3 days I have successfully flipped about $130 worth of CC clearance games (7 AITD and 2 Fire Emblems) into nearly $300 credit at BBV. Boo-ya. My goal was to pick up a 360 Arcade (as I already have a $17 20gb HDD from a K-Mart clearance last year...yeah, I was planning ahead) as well as a 12mo. Gold sub and some Live points. Good plan, huh?

Here's the problem: Blockbuster apparently does not stock the Arcade system. The cheapest unit I've seen in stock was an old 20gb Pro for $259. I know I've got the credit, but an extra $60 for a HDD I don't need? No way. Gamerush isn't an option, because apparently they don't exist anywhere near me (upstate NY).

One employee told me that they were awaiting shipment of new bundles from Microsoft any day now. At a different store, I was told that that's complete BS. I'd like to hold out hope that M$ is, in fact, shipping out new bundles of Jasper-equipped 360s that coincide with the new price points (effectively replacing the Falcon units that are currently out in the wild), but I haven't heard this anywhere else. I'd like to avoid having to transfer $300 of BBV credit to Gamestop, slowly, game by game, if possible.

So are there any BBV employees out there with any knowledge of new stock coming soon? Or, else, does anyone have some advice, or an idea I haven't thought of, on how I can use this steaming pile of credit to get myself a HDD-less 360?[/QUOTE]

It's been mentioned in this thread that BBV might start carrying retailer gift cards, including Amazon.com. I asked about it at a random BBV I normally don't visit and they did mention that they were expecting to get them soon. So, if you can wait, that might be a good way to pick up your Xbox and save some money on taxes to boot.
 
Damn CC 30% off clearence games ended today. I had to walk away from 5 games :`( boo hoo ! ...but then I made up for it with the GS 30% coup so thanks for posting the nice GS flips for BBV !
 
I was a manager for Gamestop for 2 years. I left in 2005, and I don't know how much has changed since the EB merger, but as far as I'm aware GS Corporate only has two, count 'em, two ways to "crack down" on flipping:
1. Send out a company-wide e-mail that basically says "If a trade seems suspicious to you, don't take it!," which is something all staff are trained to look for anyhow.
2. Change the prices/trade-in values of the games that are exploitable, removing the incentive.

When I worked there, the logbook of trade-in transactions was hand-written, kept in a drawer in the back for a month and then shipped out to corporate. We'd only bust it out and look up someone's "record" when we'd see a repeat customer keep coming in to trade huge stacks of obviously stolen shit. I wouldn't worry about "crackdown."
 
[quote name='froggiegames']Damn CC 30% off clearence games ended today. I had to walk away from 5 games :`( boo hoo ! ...but then I made up for it with the GS 30% coup so thanks for posting the nice GS flips for BBV ![/quote]

no more cash to spend! woohoo!
 
[quote name='dave auto']I was a manager for Gamestop for 2 years. I left in 2005, and I don't know how much has changed since the EB merger, but as far as I'm aware GS Corporate only has two, count 'em, two ways to "crack down" on flipping:
1. Send out a company-wide e-mail that basically says "If a trade seems suspicious to you, don't take it!," which is something all staff are trained to look for anyhow.
2. Change the prices/trade-in values of the games that are exploitable, removing the incentive.

When I worked there, the logbook of trade-in transactions was hand-written, kept in a drawer in the back for a month and then shipped out to corporate. We'd only bust it out and look up someone's "record" when we'd see a repeat customer keep coming in to trade huge stacks of obviously stolen shit. I wouldn't worry about "crackdown."[/quote]

Interesting, and plus like people have said here, you'd think most managers wouldn't care too much, as long as the person trading in isn't doing 15 games at a time every 3 days. I'm sure they'd love to get rid of some games. On that note, I'm surprised there isn't a big attempt to get rid of last gen games, both GS's near me have a huge amount of PS2/GC games that just sit there and take up room.

I trade about 3-6 games per weekend, since I'm at school during the week. Plus the GS guys are pretty cool and have never asked me anything. Even if they do I have some excuses lined up.
 
[quote name='frankcastle']im pretty sure ive seen arcades at the bbv around me. that is weird that not all stores would have them. or at least 1 in the area.[/quote]

What's even weirder is that the two employees at different stores who gave me conflicting info...BOTH of them told me that I wouldn't be able to find an Arcade at any BBV location. But maybe they're both full of shit, and I should start calling around to see if anyone has them.

It's been mentioned in this thread that BBV might start carrying retailer gift cards, including Amazon.com. I asked about it at a random BBV I normally don't visit and they did mention that they were expecting to get them soon. So, if you can wait, that might be a good way to pick up your Xbox and save some money on taxes to boot.

Thanks, nonametofame, I had forgotten about that. Guess I'll wait and see.
 
Scam: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

I love how people refer to this as a "scam." There is nothing fraudulent about legitimately purchasing a game and trading it in as used at a used game retailer, this is neither holding a product out as something it is not (reselling the used game as new), misrepresenting ourselves as consumers or gaining the "trust" of this company in order to "cheat" them. They have the power to set the trade-in values at whatever price they'd like. If this is a "scam" then Gamestop, Blockbuster and any used game retailer are also "scammers." If anything, it's a system exploit... analogous to the corporate world's exploiting of consumers in contracts and bargaining power.
 
Actually, both BB and GS is beneficial when we're flipping since we increase their sales volume. 1 of us is equal to 10 - 20 regular customer.

It will always "black" on their books, because the accounting system always think that they're buying it cheap from us, and the game will always make money based on the "current" resale value. Even though, it's only paper money but that is one of the positive indicator for the shareholders.

And if they have a huge clerance success (BBV B1G1 and GS coupons), they'll look at it as a marketing success even though they might lose money but again it's part of their marketing budget.
 
[quote name='gi60']Actually, both BB and GS is beneficial when we're flipping since we increase their sales volume. 1 of us is equal to 10 - 20 regular customer.

It will always "black" on their books, because the accounting system always think that they're buying it cheap from us, and the game will always make money based on the "current" resale value. Even though, it's only paper money but that is one of the positive indicator for the shareholders.

And if they have a huge clerance success (BBV B1G1 and GS coupons), they'll look at it as a marketing success even though they might lose money but again it's part of their marketing budget.[/quote]

Beneficial? Blockbuster loses so much money on used games. Lets say I trade in AITD Wii for $30. 2 weeks later, corporate notices they have too many in stock and lower the TIV. TIV gets lowered to lets say $12. They were probably selling AITD for $44.99 used. None of those games are going to get bought. They lower the price for $29.99(breaking even point, actually losing a cent). Still no one buys it because GS has it for $24.99. They are then forced to lower their price once again. Then, they really start losing money. Whether it be $5 per game or $10. Money is money. The fact of the matter is, Blockbuster is losing money. Hell, the game might not even get bought until it's really lowered. One of us CAGs might go pick it up in 5-6 months when it's $9.99 and a viable flip from BBV->GS.

The only GOOD thing we are doing to BBV is getting rid of a lot of games and bringing them to gamestop. We are decreasing BBV's inventory while increasing Gamestops. That's all we're doing. Most of the games we trade into Gamestop are probably not even going to sell. Star Trek: Legacy? Who the hell is going to buy that for $20? I got $10.50 for it and they'll probably have to lower it to $9.99 before people even take a second look at it.

Just take a look. Next time you are in a Blockbuster that you do most of your trading at, just go look at all their games. How many of those are from you? All in all, we might increase their total revenue, but we don't increase their total profit at all.

Edit - Sorry for the wall of text.
Edit 2 - But hey, I might be totally wrong on this. I might just be making an ass of myself. This is just my take on what we're doing.

God speed, flippers, god speed.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Beneficial? Blockbuster loses so much money on used games. Lets say I trade in AITD Wii for $30. 2 weeks later, corporate notices they have too many in stock and lower the TIV. TIV gets lowered to lets say $12. They were probably selling AITD for $44.99 used. None of those games are going to get bought. They lower the price for $29.99(breaking even point, actually losing a cent). Still no one buys it because GS has it for $24.99. They are then forced to lower their price once again. Then, they really start losing money. Whether it be $5 per game or $10. Money is money. The fact of the matter is, Blockbuster is losing money. Hell, the game might not even get bought until it's really lowered. One of us CAGs might go pick it up in 5-6 months when it's $9.99 and a viable flip from BBV->GS.
[/quote]

This is true, 100%.
But for compensation I do all my pre-orders and purchase of new games at BBV and do the non stop gaming thing a lot. Still not a good 'excuse' but I'd much rather give my business to BBV.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Beneficial? quote]

Dude just shut up:roll:...It's just business that's all.

People do this all the time with other stuff like homes for example. Everyone on here is trying to strech their dollar or even use credit to make more credit. Nothing illegal is taking place. If BBV is seriously being hurt by this, they will notce it and if they are smart they will change it somehow.

Remember it's just business. Everyone here is in business for themselves and that is a good thing because we share a community that allows us to help each other. Legally. Period.:whistle2:#
 
[quote name='emeraldgsl'][quote name='DarkRider23']Beneficial? quote]

Dude just shut up:roll:...It's just business that's all.

People do this all the time with other stuff like homes for example. Everyone on here is trying to strech their dollar or even use credit to make more credit. Nothing illegal is taking place. If BBV is seriously being hurt by this, they will notce it and if they are smart they will change it somehow.

Remember it's just business. Everyone here is in business for themselves and that is a good thing because we share a community that allows us to help each other. Legally. Period.:whistle2:#[/quote]

Well stated.... :applause:

 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Beneficial? .[/quote]

Hi,

I see your point but BB will not lower the price within a week most of the time. And I also mention "paper money / earning reports" that they reported quarterly. The lost is probably minimum or hidden after being covered by game that they sell plus their current inventory value. Only small potato employee know the lost of individual games, but none at corporate level unless they starting the cause analysis.

It might look stupid but that's how corporation works. And plus there are a lot of BBV or GS customer that's clueless, and will buy stuff there. At least in Orange County BB, I saw people buy the game that I flip earlier. $ 40 is not considered a lot for folks in that area.

Back to trading news, it seems that the trade 2 get $10 is confirmed at GS. It's easier for me now to pair a games.
 
I was just told that the 2 +10 did not take place. I'm on my way there now to check and see.

I found a GS with 3 extra copies of Warhammer collectors set(PC). Bought 2, have the other on reserve, and just found another copy of it I'm getting with this trade.

This is selling for 135 or so on Ebay with BIN, and retails for 79.99. It sold for 200-250 on ebay last week. The manager at GS suggested holding it another week and the value may rise again as word spreads and people look for the game. The CE was a limited run of 60,000 and was sold out. Stores only will have canceled pre orders, or over shipped mistakes
 
[quote name='emeraldgsl']
Dude just shut up:roll:...It's just business that's all.
[/quote]

I was simply stating that they are losing money from us. I'm a flipper. I wasn't bashing anyone. I was stating my view one things. If you don't like it, just don't post.

And learn how to quote damnit.

[quote name='Capa']I was just told that the 2 +10 did not take place. I'm on my way there now to check and see.
[/quote]

It's definitely taking place. It's even up on the website. First time GS has posted a deal so quickly on their website too.

http://www.ebgames.com/gs/specialty/tradeins/offers.aspx

And thanks for the heads up on Warhammer. I'll be checking out my local stores ;).
 
I dont mean to be a poop but would anyone know a potential TIV on these 360 Titles at BB because I want to trade in to get Ninja Gaiden 2 and I want to see if its worth it with values:

And I take it same rules apply with GS and BB no sealed games are accepted?

These are the games:

NFS: Most Wanted
NFS:Carbon
Shadowrun
Juiced 2


Thanks
 
u cant miss it. Be warned though, it's like having a huge Christmas present laying around. It's all I can do not to tear into it. Pretty cool CE, includes a figuring, and 2 huge hardcover books, and some exclusive content. I'm gonna sell 3 and keep one for me of the 4 I've come across.
 
[quote name='Derrick1979']
NFS: Most Wanted
NFS:Carbon
Shadowrun
Juiced 2[/quote]

Always open them up. Sealed games automatically make you seem like you stole them.

None of those games get good values at BBV. You would be better off trading them to GS if you ask me. Juiced 2 and the older NFS(don't know which ones they are) get like $6. The other NFS might get around $9-$12? Shadowrun I have no idea.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Always open them up. Sealed games automatically make you seem like you stole them.

None of those games get good values at BBV. You would be better off trading them to GS if you ask me. Juiced 2 and the older NFS(don't know which ones they are) get like $6. The other NFS might get around $9-$12? Shadowrun I have no idea.[/quote]

I would trade them in at Gamestop normally or just keep them but BB has Ninja Gaiden 2 for $29.99 and its $59.99/54.99 at Gamestop.
 
[quote name='Derrick1979']I would trade them in at Gamestop normally or just keep them but BB has Ninja Gaiden 2 for $29.99 and its $59.99/54.99 at Gamestop.[/quote]

Make sure you go into that BBV and make sure they have NG2 for $29.99. It's extremely YMMV. My BBV has it for $59.99 still.

If you really want to trade them into BBV, you'll get around $25. That's what I'm guessing.

Or you could trade them into GS, buy bladestorm and trade that into BBV for $36. That was the last reported price of Bladestorm so make sure you call and get the TIV before you go in.

Edit - So I don't drag this topic too much. I gave you all your possibilities of what you can do. Now it's up to you to choose.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Make sure you go into that BBV and make sure they have NG2 for $29.99. It's extremely YMMV. My BBV has it for $59.99 still.

If you really want to trade them into BBV, you'll get around $25. That's what I'm guessing.[/quote]


I had to call a bunch of BB around me and found a location that has them in stock and the lady said the price was $29.99
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Beneficial? Blockbuster loses so much money on used games. Lets say I trade in AITD Wii for $30. 2 weeks later, corporate notices they have too many in stock and lower the TIV. TIV gets lowered to lets say $12. They were probably selling AITD for $44.99 used. None of those games are going to get bought. They lower the price for $29.99(breaking even point, actually losing a cent). Still no one buys it because GS has it for $24.99. They are then forced to lower their price once again. Then, they really start losing money. Whether it be $5 per game or $10. Money is money. The fact of the matter is, Blockbuster is losing money. Hell, the game might not even get bought until it's really lowered. One of us CAGs might go pick it up in 5-6 months when it's $9.99 and a viable flip from BBV->GS.

The only GOOD thing we are doing to BBV is getting rid of a lot of games and bringing them to gamestop. We are decreasing BBV's inventory while increasing Gamestops. That's all we're doing. Most of the games we trade into Gamestop are probably not even going to sell. Star Trek: Legacy? Who the hell is going to buy that for $20? I got $10.50 for it and they'll probably have to lower it to $9.99 before people even take a second look at it.

Just take a look. Next time you are in a Blockbuster that you do most of your trading at, just go look at all their games. How many of those are from you? All in all, we might increase their total revenue, but we don't increase their total profit at all.

Edit - Sorry for the wall of text.
Edit 2 - But hey, I might be totally wrong on this. I might just be making an ass of myself. This is just my take on what we're doing.

God speed, flippers, god speed.[/QUOTE]

Your basic point holds up, but for anyone looking for a bit of rationalization, I think it's fair to point out that these aren't cash transactions. They're trading assets for assets. In some cases, they're taking a hit. For instance, when someone flips a bunch of games and gets enough credit for a Wii, the store is accepting inventory that may be overvalued and will lose its value relatively quickly in exchange for inventory that would've held its value rather nicely. So they're sacrificing profits on that individual exchange.

The negative effect seems a little murkier when people are using credit to buy games. Some games hold their value really well, but others drop like a rock within a couple months. Let's say someone used a coupon to buy 3 games for $10 each at GS, traded them for $20 each at BB and used the credit to pick up Ninja Gaiden 2 a couple months ago when it was $60. If the store had kept its copy of NG2, it would now be worth a maximum of $30 in revenue. Instead, it's got three games that only have to sell for $10 each to realize the same amount of revenue. And it's not unrealistic to think the 3 games might sell for something like $15 or $20 a pop instead of $10.

Obviously, it's not a perfect analysis, because there's most likely some kind of rebate program in place where BB gets some money back from game companies when the MSRP of existing stock drops. At the same time, if the flipper in question used credit to buy a used game for $55 that would otherwise sit on the shelf until it hit $25, then Blockbuster actually has a strong chance of coming out ahead on the transaction, making more money than if the flipping hadn't taken place.

Anyway, I agree that flippers aren't doing anything illegal and don't need to justify their actions. My only point is that the amount of benefit experienced by CAG's who flip probably doesn't result in a proportional negative effect on BB.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']

And learn how to quote damnit.

quote]

NEVER!!!!!:whee:

My BBV also has Ninja Gaiden 2 for $29.99 I'm sure a universal price drop will follow.
 
confirmed in store, 10 bonus for 2. Traded 8, the manager was begging for more, so he took an additional 4 that were duplicates. Managers have a bonus dependant on their amount of trades taken in, and his store had a total of $3 purchased on Sat., so he is starving for trades
 
[quote name='Capa']confirmed in store, 10 bonus for 2. Traded 8, the manager was begging for more, so he took an additional 4 that were duplicates. Managers have a bonus dependant on their amount of trades taken in, and his store had a total of $3 purchased on Sat., so he is starving for trades[/quote]

Wish I had a manager like that >_
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']For some reason, one store around me has Spyro for the Wii for $9.99 while the other has $14.99. They are both corporate stores so I have no idea what's going on there.[/quote]

Did you actually have them scan it / look it up?
 
[quote name='mkernan']Did you actually have them scan it / look it up?[/quote]

I had all that stuff done. I went into the store yesterday and they had 4 Spyro's and 4 Nights. They were all marked $9.99. Took them(1 of each, not all 8 ;)) to the register and they rang up $14.99. The idiots wouldn't override the computer and give me the games for $9.99 so I just left without making a scene. This BB on the other hand, has Nights and Spyro for $9.99.

I actually went back to the first store today to see if maybe the systems updated and the price became $9.99, but no dice.

Edit - And I just checked the receipts. Both of them say Blockbuster Inc. at the top so I am 100% certain that the other store is not a franchise location.
 
Condemned 2 xbox 360 trades for $15 now
Rock Band 360 trades in for $15 as well now
Just incase anyone was wondering about those. Also Viking held for both platforms.
 
Just traded in:
Fire Emblem Wii 30
Alone in the Dark Wii 30
Eye of Judgement 30

(all holding steady as of 4pm EST)
 
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I was kinda wondering what the number and extension is to call about canceling my XBL Gold account? It runs out the 28th, and I'm really, really low on cash right now. I can still have Gold for a month thanks to GTAIV's inclusion of 1 month free, and it should hold me over for the meanwhile.
 
[quote name='irishsoccermbw']The big halo 3 framed art is now 9.99 down from 39.99 or something atrocious (clearance saw it at two stores).[/quote]

gotta pic?
 
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