The New, But Not Improved Firmware Thread: 4.00 Currently Available

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Exactly. If I don't want something in a Windows update I just don't select it. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Windows is the buggiest, most insecure OS there is. Letting people pick and choose would open up an endless amount of variables to have to account for, for the developers. But yeah, I wish they'd at least allow you to sign in or sync your trophies.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Here's the other thing that really bugs me about the updates on the PS3: you can't do jack shit until it's done downloading/installing.

I can still surf the internet or watch a YouTube video or whatever I want to do while the updates on my PC are downloading/installing. Moreover, if I choose not to download/install the update right that millisecond because it's not convenient for me I can still use my PC and I'm not locked out of it.[/QUOTE]i still say the expectation that you can pick and choose is illogical. but background downloads (even if I'm offline until i install) makes sense.
 
[quote name='jh6269']Yeah, but Windows is the buggiest, most insecure OS there is.[/QUOTE]

Not to be too off-topic, but that isn't entirely true or fair. It has the highest market share, and therefore gets most of the attention.

Most of Windows' security problems stem from everyone running as Administrator rather than user - escalation of privileges rather than defacto admin addresses most of the attack vectors against Windows.

Windows' real problem is that there are so many developers who write software that requires administrator, and unskilled users utilizing admin accounts rather than user accounts.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled firmware thread. The OS comparisons kind of fall apart; Windows, Linux, and OSX exist in an entirely different ecosystem than a game system OS - people are given choices to update or not because of possible software compatibility issues outside the scope and control of the OS vendor. A game system is a closed ecosystem operating on a single piece of hardware, with a stringent EULA that allows them to force the updates. Apples and Oranges.
 
ok the superlatives are unfair but compared to a game console a home CPU is much buggier and insecure.. and part of the reason a home console is more stable is because you don't get to pick and choose this update and that update.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']ok the superlatives are unfair but compared to a game console a home CPU is much buggier and insecure.. and part of the reason a home console is more stable is because you don't get to pick and choose this update and that update.[/QUOTE]

In both cases, an update the negatively impacts the functionality of the machine is universally reviled - so, peoples reactions are on an even keel at least.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']i still say the expectation that you can pick and choose is illogical. but background downloads (even if I'm offline until i install) makes sense.[/QUOTE]
Why is it illogical? I don't use(and never will use) Facebook, Playstation Home, the video features section of the XMB and I have a custom background/icons so the sparkly background and everything else I just mentioned are all wastes of HDD space.

I tried PS Home when I first got a PS3 and I was not impressed with it. All it was was constant loading screens and it was boring as shit.

The only way the video section might become useful for me is if Sony put in a video capture function on the PS3 that allowed me to capture/edit/upload in-game videos. Otherwise it's just another useless waste of HDD space.

Now if they actually improved the optimization for the XMB loading times so it doesn't take 15-20 seconds every time I want to go out to the XMB to send a message, THAT would be useful.

But for the videophiles who use their PS3's more for playing videos and surfing the net these functions may be a great asset for them. To me they just clutter up the XMB and make it take that much longer to get to what I want to do on my GAMING system.
 
it's illogical because a game system isn't a PC. Sure it has all the parts but it's supposed to be a walled garden. I'm not talking about XBL where you're paying for 10 features just to get one. These are system updates. You're argument against stuff like Home and video playback would be somewhat like someone arguing against the R2 button because none of the games they play use it. (admittedly there's a huge gap b/c hardware features and software features).

waste of HDD space isn't even your best argument. You can chaulk that up to system formatting. That's like saying I bought a 100GB harddrive but when i install my OS suddenly I only have 92gb. Same goes with stuff like video playback. It's just part of the OS. Stuff like Home and LifeWithPlaystation can be deleted. the HDD space taken up by facebook, and the ability to have background changes is slight.

I'm trying to remember the wording I had in my head earlier but basically the PC is an open system. You can do pretty much whatever you want with it. The PS3( and the others. yada yada yad) are pretty much the very definition of closed. The games you buy are, can i say 'calibrated', to work with identical units. The games are promised to work on all units as long as their exactly the same. That's why we never have to worry about Game X working. If you start introducing branching update paths suddenly that becomes an issue. Now what happens when someone buys Dark Sector 2 and it only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, C, and D. Well that's pretty much the norm. basically what you do is put upgrades B, C, and D on the disc so everyone can upgrade. But twist it slightly and what if Heavenly Sword 2 has TERRIBLE QA testing and only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, D, and F but not C. Suddenly because the QA center decided to skip upgrades that didn't realize it would cause a problem. Or because you skipped upgrade C because you didn't like feature #4389 suddenly you can't play Dark Sector 2.

My examples are meant to be factitious but I think I've illustrated how branching updates create a headache for the developing side. I'm SURE that's a major issue when creating PC games. You either make really good games that noone can see at true settings (Crysis) or you create games that anyone can play but then you lose out on features from the latest graphical updates (see any Blizzard Game). You can argue back and forth about which is the better choice but the point is that the choice has to be made on the PC whereas on the console it's not an issue because EVERYONE has the same updates.

and I kinda hate this thread for making me defend anything to do with Sony's updates because as much as I defend this concept. I'm not happy with how they've done it.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']it's illogical because a game system isn't a PC. Sure it has all the parts but it's supposed to be a walled garden. I'm not talking about XBL where you're paying for 10 features just to get one. These are system updates. You're argument against stuff like Home and video playback would be somewhat like someone arguing against the R2 button because none of the games they play use it. (admittedly there's a huge gap b/c hardware features and software features).

waste of HDD space isn't even your best argument. You can chaulk that up to system formatting. That's like saying I bought a 100GB harddrive but when i install my OS suddenly I only have 92gb. Same goes with stuff like video playback. It's just part of the OS. Stuff like Home and LifeWithPlaystation can be deleted. the HDD space taken up by facebook, and the ability to have background changes is slight.

I'm trying to remember the wording I had in my head earlier but basically the PC is an open system. You can do pretty much whatever you want with it. The PS3( and the others. yada yada yad) are pretty much the very definition of closed. The games you buy are, can i say 'calibrated', to work with identical units. The games are promised to work on all units as long as their exactly the same. That's why we never have to worry about Game X working. If you start introducing branching update paths suddenly that becomes an issue. Now what happens when someone buys Dark Sector 2 and it only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, C, and D. Well that's pretty much the norm. basically what you do is put upgrades B, C, and D on the disc so everyone can upgrade. But twist it slightly and what if Heavenly Sword 2 has TERRIBLE QA testing and only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, D, and F but not C. Suddenly because the QA center decided to skip upgrades that didn't realize it would cause a problem. Or because you skipped upgrade C because you didn't like feature #4389 suddenly you can't play Dark Sector 2.

My examples are meant to be factitious but I think I've illustrated how branching updates create a headache for the developing side. I'm SURE that's a major issue when creating PC games. You either make really good games that noone can see at true settings (Crysis) or you create games that anyone can play but then you lose out on features from the latest graphical updates (see any Blizzard Game). You can argue back and forth about which is the better choice but the point is that the choice has to be made on the PC whereas on the console it's not an issue because EVERYONE has the same updates.

and I kinda hate this thread for making me defend anything to do with Sony's updates because as much as I defend this concept. I'm not happy with how they've done it.[/QUOTE]

Great post. Common Sense is not common on CAG, but you certainly demonstrate it here. Bravo.

And i agree that no one is defending anything, but this is what a CLOSED system is, made so that everything is the same on every ones hardware. Its why console gaming is console gaming, you dont have to figure out if your video card driver needs a update, or which version has a better physics engine, you just pop it in, and it works. Thats just what they're designed for, and its what people want for the most part, so that it works properly everytime you pop it in.

Windows is not a CLOSED system, and comparing windows to PS3 is almost offensive in this sense.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']it's illogical because a game system isn't a PC. Sure it has all the parts but it's supposed to be a walled garden. I'm not talking about XBL where you're paying for 10 features just to get one. These are system updates. You're argument against stuff like Home and video playback would be somewhat like someone arguing against the R2 button because none of the games they play use it. (admittedly there's a huge gap b/c hardware features and software features).

waste of HDD space isn't even your best argument. You can chaulk that up to system formatting. That's like saying I bought a 100GB harddrive but when i install my OS suddenly I only have 92gb. Same goes with stuff like video playback. It's just part of the OS. Stuff like Home and LifeWithPlaystation can be deleted. the HDD space taken up by facebook, and the ability to have background changes is slight.

I'm trying to remember the wording I had in my head earlier but basically the PC is an open system. You can do pretty much whatever you want with it. The PS3( and the others. yada yada yad) are pretty much the very definition of closed. The games you buy are, can i say 'calibrated', to work with identical units. The games are promised to work on all units as long as their exactly the same. That's why we never have to worry about Game X working. If you start introducing branching update paths suddenly that becomes an issue. Now what happens when someone buys Dark Sector 2 and it only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, C, and D. Well that's pretty much the norm. basically what you do is put upgrades B, C, and D on the disc so everyone can upgrade. But twist it slightly and what if Heavenly Sword 2 has TERRIBLE QA testing and only works on PS3s that have upgrades B, D, and F but not C. Suddenly because the QA center decided to skip upgrades that didn't realize it would cause a problem. Or because you skipped upgrade C because you didn't like feature #4389 suddenly you can't play Dark Sector 2.

My examples are meant to be factitious but I think I've illustrated how branching updates create a headache for the developing side. I'm SURE that's a major issue when creating PC games. You either make really good games that noone can see at true settings (Crysis) or you create games that anyone can play but then you lose out on features from the latest graphical updates (see any Blizzard Game). You can argue back and forth about which is the better choice but the point is that the choice has to be made on the PC whereas on the console it's not an issue because EVERYONE has the same updates.

and I kinda hate this thread for making me defend anything to do with Sony's updates because as much as I defend this concept. I'm not happy with how they've done it.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't stand Dark Sector, so I doubt I'd ever want to play a sequel of it, even if I got it for $2-5.:D As for the PC example you gave, again I have to say that I simply play games for entertainment and we could go back to 16 bit graphics and I wouldn't give a shit either way.

As for games not working if certain updates from Sony weren't on people's systems, thus far I have not seen anything released from Sony via firmware that could have anything to do with how a game would run. If a game is going to be a buggy unplayable mess, I still feel it's largely up to the devs to not fuck up when programming it.
 
I thought we were trying not to get this thread shut down...
Can't we just create a rant thread for this stuff and use the firmware thread for important info, like if the firmware bricks your system or something?
 
Any update on the fact the new firmware made it so our 3rd party controllers (gamestop, Madcatz etc.) don't work anymore? (My kids are getting mad cause tehy can't play their Nicktoon games)
 
dude you can't rag on Dark Sector it's just an example title. Personally for $2-5 there's not a lot I wouldn't play. I BARELY put back Dynasty Warriors Advance for $4 and that's about it. Would it be better if I said COD:Black Ops? I'm not sure how you completely missed my point on the PC, but maybe it's my fault for only rereading it twice.

As far as firmware not being important 10:1 odds you're right. But the point is we don't know what goes into firmware only what they tell us. It's entirely possible they're putting in features that make game development easier that we'll never know or see but from the development side is entirely useful. In theory it's one of the main reasons to have firmware updates. I hate to use examples because you take them so literally but what if in the next update the big push is Twitter*. like they actually put in a semi-useful twitter client. In the background they also put in some programming calls that seem inconsequential. Until say Infamous 2 uses them and they show you can reduce processing power by 20% by using these calls in a special manner they demonstrate at GDC. Suddenly everyone's a little excited they've found a way to make bigger badder games that run for 80% processing cost. But you don't like twitter and since you can pick and choose updates you didn't get that update. Suddenly Resistance 3 gets a lot beefier and on my system it's running... decently. but on your system without the update it goes over the limit and crashes. So we now have a playstation game in a playstation that won't run. I think we can all agree we've seen lawsuits go to trial for less.

* it's an example because I don't literally think there is a twitter client coming and this could apply to any update. It could in theory apply to the updates that blocked the piracy thing a while back.

[quote name='jh6269']I thought we were trying not to get this thread shut down...
Can't we just create a rant thread for this stuff and use the firmware thread for important info, like if the firmware bricks your system or something?[/QUOTE]I'm sorta the new kid to this thread so we don't want discussion here? I like arguing with Cheapest but I'll leave it alone after this if we wanna keep it info only.
 
[quote name='jh6269']I thought we were trying not to get this thread shut down...
Can't we just create a rant thread for this stuff and use the firmware thread for important info, like if the firmware bricks your system or something?[/QUOTE]

This is exactly how I feel.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']
I'm sorta the new kid to this thread so we don't want discussion here? I like arguing with Cheapest but I'll leave it alone after this if we wanna keep it info only.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure this is really a "discussion", at least not in the civil variety. It's more like whining and baiting.
 
fair enough I guess. thought I was being civil and even about it but i got no stake in the company I think I'll be out til the next update and restrict myself to 3 responses.
 
[quote name='Hell Monkey']Any update on the fact the new firmware made it so our 3rd party controllers (gamestop, Madcatz etc.) don't work anymore? (My kids are getting mad cause tehy can't play their Nicktoon games)[/QUOTE]

Looks like someone is trying to compile a list on the Official Playstation boards:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/...B-devices-work-and-which-do-not/td-p/46207147
Only 3rd party/possibly unlicensed controllers I have are the cheap wired Komodo controllers I got from Meritline. Have not bothered updating so no idea if they still work on the new firmware. Anyone else care to give it a go?
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']dude you can't rag on Dark Sector it's just an example title. Personally for $2-5 there's not a lot I wouldn't play. I BARELY put back Dynasty Warriors Advance for $4 and that's about it. Would it be better if I said COD:Black Ops? I'm not sure how you completely missed my point on the PC, but maybe it's my fault for only rereading it twice.

As far as firmware not being important 10:1 odds you're right. But the point is we don't know what goes into firmware only what they tell us. It's entirely possible they're putting in features that make game development easier that we'll never know or see but from the development side is entirely useful. In theory it's one of the main reasons to have firmware updates. I hate to use examples because you take them so literally but what if in the next update the big push is Twitter*. like they actually put in a semi-useful twitter client. In the background they also put in some programming calls that seem inconsequential. Until say Infamous 2 uses them and they show you can reduce processing power by 20% by using these calls in a special manner they demonstrate at GDC. Suddenly everyone's a little excited they've found a way to make bigger badder games that run for 80% processing cost. But you don't like twitter and since you can pick and choose updates you didn't get that update. Suddenly Resistance 3 gets a lot beefier and on my system it's running... decently. but on your system without the update it goes over the limit and crashes. So we now have a playstation game in a playstation that won't run. I think we can all agree we've seen lawsuits go to trial for less.

* it's an example because I don't literally think there is a twitter client coming and this could apply to any update. It could in theory apply to the updates that blocked the piracy thing a while back.

I'm sorta the new kid to this thread so we don't want discussion here? I like arguing with Cheapest but I'll leave it alone after this if we wanna keep it info only.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind the actual portions of the update(s) that are needed for whatever, but the extraneous shit like Facebook icons and other fluff could definitely be made optional as far as I'm concerned. The XMB is cluttered enough as it is and takes far too long to load in while in a game.

Like I said, if they actually improved the loading speed of the XMB when accessing it from in a game THAT would be a truly useful update. But Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and the rest of the junkware they've added is not useful in the least.
 
Facebook does suck on the ps3 and everywhere else... BTW I'm excited about that one movie that's coming out that is about facebook... lol
And the updates are kind of annoying. But I'm fine with it.
 
How do you force the update to be skipped? For example when I sign in PSN, im forced to download the latest update, but I heard you can skip it if you want...
 
[quote name='TooMuchCoolness']How do you force the update to be skipped? For example when I sign in PSN, im forced to download the latest update, but I heard you can skip it if you want...[/QUOTE]

by not signing in to PSN. So long as you never sign in to PSN, you never have to update.
 
[quote name='TooMuchCoolness']How do you force the update to be skipped? For example when I sign in PSN, im forced to download the latest update, but I heard you can skip it if you want...[/QUOTE]
There is a workaround, but it involves quite a bit of hassle to get around doing the updates and still get onto PSN.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I don't mind the actual portions of the update(s) that are needed for whatever, but the extraneous shit like Facebook icons and other fluff could definitely be made optional as far as I'm concerned. The XMB is cluttered enough as it is and takes far too long to load in while in a game.

Like I said, if they actually improved the loading speed of the XMB when accessing it from in a game THAT would be a truly useful update. But Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and the rest of the junkware they've added is not useful in the least.[/QUOTE]
You seemed to have missed the point. No one would argue against getting rid of annoying facebook icons or whatever, but you seem to have ignored the point that was being made in the post you quoted. Either that or *woosh* it went right over your head.

Just FYI: In other words, what Wolfkin was saying was that updates, though they may look meaningless, may include important behind-the-scenes stuff that relates to how well the PS3 works. In even other more words: the updates that included "Facebook, Playstation Home, [and] the video features section of the XMB" may have also included important (behind the scenes, hidden) updates that cater to other things you do use; like how well your video games run.
 
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Ive never seen a Facebook Icon on the XMB, Can we ban IATCG from this thread, he is like a little doggie he whines for attention
 
[quote name='smiggity']Ive never seen a Facebook Icon on the XMB, Can we ban IATCG from this thread, he is like a little doggie he whines for attention[/QUOTE]

Hell no. If we don't contain him here, he's gonna spread like Metro PCS.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']I'm sorta the new kid to this thread so we don't want discussion here? I like arguing with Cheapest but I'll leave it alone after this if we wanna keep it info only.[/QUOTE]
This is the problem, as everybody has had the same arguments with him for a long time now and nothing changes.
 
[quote name='brads']You seemed to have missed the point. No one would argue against getting rid of annoying facebook icons or whatever, but you seem to have ignored the point that was being made in the post you quoted. Either that or *woosh* it went right over your head.

Just FYI: In other words, what Wolfkin was saying was that updates, though they may look meaningless, may include important behind-the-scenes stuff that relates to how well the PS3 works. In even other more words: the updates that included "Facebook, Playstation Home, [and] the video features section of the XMB" may have also included important (behind the scenes, hidden) updates that cater to other things you do use; like how well your video games run.[/QUOTE]
Like I've said before, I'm ok with the stuff that makes my GAMES run better, but the fluff I can do without. Maybe that's gone *woosh* over many people's heads. That's the stuff I wanna be able to uncheck and not have to install. But I WANT the stuff that makes my PS3 run better.

Oh and FYI: I tried deleting the Home and Facebook icons just now and pressing triangle(like you would to delete other things) does shit. So they're stuck there on my PS3 forever.:roll:
[quote name='smiggity']Ive never seen a Facebook Icon on the XMB, Can we ban IATCG from this thread, he is like a little doggie he whines for attention[/QUOTE]
http://www.1up.com/news/facebook-support-confirmed-playstation-3

You were saying? But maybe I did overreact a bit as you have to go into Account Management to see the Facebook icon, but it IS there.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']+1 for banning iamthecheapestgamer from CAG for life. He doesn't deserve to be on here.[/QUOTE]

He isn't that worthy of a ban. He's just a cheap person with Brazilian internet or Metro PCS. He's not anything that's truly annoying. If you want him gone just ignore him. I find him as a walking shenanigan factory. It just surprises me on how cheap he is and I like to see how long he can go.
 
Meh, don't ban cheapest; although I tried to be his friend and he dumped me from his friends list. Just don't argue w/him b/c he won't ever admit he's wrong, otherwise, he's OK.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']+1 for banning iamthecheapestgamer from CAG for life. He doesn't deserve to be on here.[/QUOTE]
:lol: That's all I'm saying after reading your posting history from just recently.
[quote name='jh6269']Meh, don't ban cheapest; although I tried to be his friend and he dumped me from his friends list. Just don't argue w/him b/c he won't ever admit he's wrong, otherwise, he's OK.[/QUOTE]
That's because I got in one of those moods where if I hadn't played any games with you you got deleted. That reminds me that I have to filter out some more people who I haven't played with in forever.

As for never admitting I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong when I said I upgraded from my 20" SDtv I was using to a 21.5" LCD monitor. I said that the HD screen made it so I could see everything going on on screen and that I liked the HD screen. Mind you I still won't pay $600 or so for a humungous screen.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']
As for never admitting I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong when I said I upgraded from my 20" SDtv I was using to a 21.5" LCD monitor. I said that the HD screen made it so I could see everything going on on screen and that I liked the HD screen. Mind you I still won't pay $600 or so for a humungous screen.[/QUOTE]
It's sad, but I was just going to mention that.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']:lol: That's all I'm saying after reading your posting history from just recently.

That's because I got in one of those moods where if I hadn't played any games with you you got deleted. That reminds me that I have to filter out some more people who I haven't played with in forever.

As for never admitting I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong when I said I upgraded from my 20" SDtv I was using to a 21.5" LCD monitor. I said that the HD screen made it so I could see everything going on on screen and that I liked the HD screen. Mind you I still won't pay $600 or so for a humungous screen.[/QUOTE]

Ok yeah, you're right, that one time you admitted you're wrong LOL
So, I'll correct my statement, Cheapest will 99.999% of the time will not admit he's wrong :lol:
 
Imagine this firmware update will make 0 difference to my PS3 experience, barring the number of .avi files I can play on it being cut in half again.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Like I've said before, I'm ok with the stuff that makes my GAMES run better, but the fluff I can do without. Maybe that's gone *woosh* over many people's heads. That's the stuff I wanna be able to uncheck and not have to install. But I WANT the stuff that makes my PS3 run better.

Oh and FYI: I tried deleting the Home and Facebook icons just now and pressing triangle(like you would to delete other things) does shit. So they're stuck there on my PS3 forever.:roll:

http://www.1up.com/news/facebook-support-confirmed-playstation-3

You were saying? But maybe I did overreact a bit as you have to go into Account Management to see the Facebook icon, but it IS there.[/QUOTE]

You are an idiot. You are crying b/c you have to look at an icon. Okay little baby. Ive owned my ps3 for like 4 years and have never went into Account Management. Stop bitching about pointless stuff and take all that pent up energy and put it towards trying to get laid. Or therapy.
 
[quote name='smiggity']You are an idiot. You are crying b/c you have to look at an icon. Okay little baby. Ive owned my ps3 for like 4 years and have never went into Account Management. Stop bitching about pointless stuff and take all that pent up energy and put it towards trying to get laid. Or therapy.[/QUOTE]
Yet again, instead of debating it in a civil manner we get responses like THIS.

Pointless stuff though? Not to me. I'd rather not have an (Ass)Facebook icon on my PS3 at all and I'd like the option to delete it, Home and anything else that I don't use from the XMB. But apparently Sony feels as if you should have to keep all of this shitware.

As for getting laid, who care. And therapy? You gonna pay the bill cuz I'm uninsured right now and I'm not about to pay X amount per hour.:D;)

Up till now I haven't added you to my ignore list on here, but consider yourself ignored too. Hopefully you'll do the same so you won't have to read all of my 'pointless stuff'.
 
Can somebody confirm whether or not the Guncon 3 works with the newest firmware? If it kills the (licensed for goodness sake) Super Street Fighter 4 pads, I've go to wonder what it will do with the Guncon 3. This is going to totally put a damper on my Razing Storm plans. I don't want the update to kill my original Time Crisis 4 either.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']:lol: That's all I'm saying after reading your posting history from just recently.

That's because I got in one of those moods where if I hadn't played any games with you you got deleted. That reminds me that I have to filter out some more people who I haven't played with in forever.

As for never admitting I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong when I said I upgraded from my 20" SDtv I was using to a 21.5" LCD monitor. I said that the HD screen made it so I could see everything going on on screen and that I liked the HD screen. Mind you I still won't pay $600 or so for a humungous screen.[/QUOTE]


wow you got an lcd tv?!?!?! man it must have hurt to let that money go but at least now your dollars can breath lmao. next stop 56k internet perhaps lol.
 
[quote name='lokizz']wow you got an lcd tv?!?!?! man it must have hurt to let that money go but at least now your dollars can breath lmao. next stop 56k internet perhaps lol.[/QUOTE]
It's not an LCD tv but rather one of those 21.5" LCD computer monitors that Target had on clearance last year. I managed to do a return/rebuy when I found a store with it in the system for $40. But as I mentioned in another thread it was already bought and returned by someone else and a month or two ago it was giving me big blocks of pixels that kept going dead and coming back within seconds.

Unlike Sony, Acer fully warranties their products for up to three years, so I have until 2012 should I begin to have further issues with it to get it repaired/replaced.

As far as my internet goes, as soon as Comcast stops overcharging($40-45 a month for internet=teh suck)for their internet I'll switch from my 768kbps DSL that's only $20 a month for me locked in seemingly forever, but anything over $20 a month for internet is still NOT a deal to me. For what I use it for my DSL speed is good enough for me.
 
Sorry for the double post....

But I too have to wonder if those Rocketfish controllers I bought for $10 each from Best Buy are DOA now thanks to the last firmware update. I certainly hope not, as they are a nice alternative to paying $55 to Sony for a DS3.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Sorry for the double post....

But I too have to wonder if those Rocketfish controllers I bought for $10 each from Best Buy are DOA now thanks to the last firmware update. I certainly hope not, as they are a nice alternative to paying $55 to Sony for a DS3.[/QUOTE]

I'm 99% sure I read the Rocketfish controllers are dead, so there goes your $20.
 
Well then it's looking like there's another reason to hate Sony for me then. I wonder if I could sue them in small claims court for reimbursement for the loss of use of the peripherals due to their shitware update.
 
good grief it never would have occurred to me that third party controllers would be subject to dead by firmware update. It doesn't really make sense. I've been considering buying one but put it off because I don'thave anyone to play with. Now I'm glad i did the ones I saw were about $20 they might have been rocketfish or whatever.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Well then it's looking like there's another reason to hate Sony for me then. I wonder if I could sue them in small claims court for reimbursement for the loss of use of the peripherals due to their shitware update.[/QUOTE]


I doubt it, I'm pretty sure they don't have to allow the use of unlicensed peripherals on their system.
 
Well then they need to lower the price of their OVERpriced fuckin' Dual Shock 3's, since that was why I was buying the third party ones, to have a spare to beat up on that I didn't give a shit if I destroyed.

Hopefully if all else fails I can take them to one of the local game stores and trade them in for $7-8 each and kinda fail to tell them that the new Sony firmware update makes them bricks;). At least try and get SOME of my money back on them($10 each x4).

EDIT: For shits and giggles I decided to try the Rocketfish controller I haven't used in months since I tested out the reliability of one of them before listing them on my trade list. Thus far it seems to be working normally.

So perhaps the reports of the third party controllers all being non functional are not 100% correct.:pray:
 
You'd be an idiot to believe all the bullshit people post about ps3 firmware upgrades. Last i saw, a whopping 4 devices stopped working with the update. Earth shattering, i know.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Well then they need to lower the price of their OVERpriced fuckin' Dual Shock 3's, since that was why I was buying the third party ones, to have a spare to beat up on that I didn't give a shit if I destroyed.

Hopefully if all else fails I can take them to one of the local game stores and trade them in for $7-8 each and kinda fail to tell them that the new Sony firmware update makes them bricks;). At least try and get SOME of my money back on them($10 each x4).

EDIT: For shits and giggles I decided to try the Rocketfish controller I haven't used in months since I tested out the reliability of one of them before listing them on my trade list. Thus far it seems to be working normally.

So perhaps the reports of the third party controllers all being non functional are not 100% correct.:pray:[/QUOTE]

I believe that the legitimately licensed controllers all work. It's the unlicensed ones that do not work. Anyway, you could buy a game that comes with a DS3 next time there's a bundle...
 
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