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Glad I got in on 3 of them FE figures when I had a chance. Cliffjumper will have to be bought from TFsource now. I preordered...wonder if it will get fulfilled
 
fuck fuck mother mother fuck! Thanks for the info animalspinners, really appreciate it.

This is just soooo fucked up. I want to give Hasbro my money, I really do. Just TAKE IT Hasbro.

Sigh, like Ultimate Matt X I caved and ordered the entertainment pack and voyager two pack from BBTS. Almost 100 bucks, but considering the TRU "tax" (RID Voyagers are 27.00?!), actual tax, gas money, and time (plus the fact that it is insanely unlikely they'll come out here) I think it's worth it.

Too bad FE Cliffjumper is sold out, and they don't even have FE Vehicon (other than the sold out Takara version). Guess we just have to hope those molds pop up somewhere repainted down the line.

Just hoping they can fulfull their preorders...


And speaking of Cliff, what of Zombie Cliff? Wasn't that a FE? If not, I'm not too concerned about missing FE Cliff then, since Zombie is just a retool of that mold.
 
[quote name='Ultimate Matt X']Just read that preorders are getting canceled on the FE figures from some of the sites. Who is ready to make a trip to Canada with me? :)[/QUOTE]

It's too far from Hawaii, but I'll give you money to buy me some :)
 
For those with Hasbro Toy Shop account, check your email. There's a coupon/event sign up thing that gives a few Transformer related coupons. It's $3 off a Deluxe figure and $5 off Kreo Starscream or Megatron and $5 off Kreo Optimus Prime. Not much, but it helps :)

* note, the coupon requires installing Coupon Printer (couponprinter.exe). I'm holding off on installing it for now as I've read conflicting reports about this application and what kind of tracking it does. They claim it's used to keep the coupons unique and to prevent counterfeiting of coupons.

This site has interesting read on it: http://www.benedelman.org/news/031808-1.html

note that was several years ago, so maybe it changed. I've emailed Hasbro asking if it was possible to be snail mailed these coupons in the mean time. Does anyone have experience with coupons.com?
 
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First off, how can we get that "how old are you guys" tag removed? That just seems like straight up trolling.

Longish post incoming:

Secondly, I'm not that bothered about missing out on the First Edition figures. Sure, the new line Cliffjumper and Prime aren't as good as the FE figures, but at least a version of them is made for mass retail. And with Bulkhead, Hasbro hasn't even announced one yet so who knows, maybe they will make FE Bulkhead into RID Bulkhead?

In all honesty, we're talking about Bulkhead and Prime here -- we'll get no less than 10 Primes before the line is over and probably a few Bulkheads. IMO, people paying $80 for these figures are crazy consider we're at the very start of the line. If this was end of the line product, sure, the price is justified a bit. But not when the line hasn't even launched yet.

That's also not counting the fact these figures could pull a Windcharger and just show up at Ross. I remember everyone going crazy, buying $50 Windchargers, only for the figure to show up en masse at Ross later on.

I'm more concerned about what this means for the brand as a whole, to be honest. This is happening more and more with figures:

The final wave of Powercore combiner two packs was in limbo for a long time, and the five packs ended up at Ross en masse.

Everyone knows the Windcharger, Grappel and Lugnut situations. Incredibly hard to find, retailers didn't purchase, ended up at Ross.

I don't think DOTM did too hot... a lot of figures missing, still no sign of the Soundwave / Wheeljack Deluxe wave that is already done. The figures also never seem to be moving in my area... pegs are stocked full all the time, easy to find any character, and I live in an area with a ton of scalpers; even they don't want these figs.

As a fan of other toylines, this is how it starts when your sales don't look too hot -- this same thing happened to G.I Joe. Retailers stopped ordering, product showed up en masse at Ross, retailers ended up dropping the line because of the slow sales and we get less product as a result. Retailers are also dropping Marvel Universe, another Hasbro property (though this just seems to be Wal-Mart and its on a WM by WM basis.)

Retailers just aren't buying the TF product like they used to -- its not as bad as G.I Joe or MU yet, where entire waves get skipped and Wal-Mart stops carrying it, but idk... doesn't instill a lot of confidence in me that retailers are going to commit to Transformers Prime like they should. Hell, we already know all of them didn't commit to the FE stuff (TRU in the US only did one wave and it was lightly distributed.)

I also wonder if Hasbro's other retail bombs are affecting how retailers view them -- maybe this is stopping them from buying any Hasbro product? Captain America bombed, Thor bombed, MU and G.I Joe aren't doing too hot... but this is the retailers fault more than Hasbros. I have to buy all my figures online, as do other collectors, so when these stores finally (if ever) stock these figures all the collectors have moved on. My local stores finally stocked Marvel Universe Wave 15 and it is pegwarming because everyone bought the figs elsewhere (not to mention that the current release wave is Wave 17.)

All I know is that, across the board, Hasbro needs to fix its distribution issues, because this is affecting every single product they put out. Start limiting the cases retailers can buy so they don't buy 40 Wave 1 cases per store; do whatever it takes to keep a fresh rotation of product on the shelves. Either that, or Transformers aren't selling well anymore, and I would put the blame on Hasbro here because they keep releasing the same figures over and over again.

Yea, kids in 2007 liked Bumblebee... but in 2012, those kids already have enough Bumblebees to stock an entire TF section. Hasbro has never flooded the pegs with a single character this much as far back as I can remember, and I wonder if its finally clogging up sales? Prime seems to FINALLY be going back to tons of unique characters in each wave and not just repaints, so that's a step forward. The issue now is if we can actually find the figures.

Or not. I read elsewhere the Prime release schedule has a repaint of Bumblebee by Wave 3 and has the original repacked into future waves. Sigh.
 
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great post as usual animalspinner. I agree with everything, especially on the overloading of Bumblebee. I'm sick of him, in all forms. LOL.
 
Agreed animalspinner. Hasbro is just stupid about how they conduct their business. There can be no questioning that anymore.

Their absurd penchant for repaints still gives me hope of seeing the FE molds somewhere down the line though :D
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Their absurd penchant for repaints still gives me hope of seeing the FE molds somewhere down the line though :D[/QUOTE]

They'll reuse the molds for Botcon exclusives.
 
[quote name='Bloomy']They'll reuse the molds for Botcon exclusives.[/QUOTE]

NOOOOoooooo!

But seriously, they might, just so they can charge even more for them... bastards.
 
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That's also not counting the fact these figures could pull a Windcharger and just show up at Ross. I remember everyone going crazy, buying $50 Windchargers, only for the figure to show up en masse at Ross later on.

I'm more concerned about what this means for the brand as a whole, to be honest. This is happening more and more with figures:

The final wave of Powercore combiner two packs was in limbo for a long time, and the five packs ended up at Ross en masse.

Everyone knows the Windcharger, Grappel and Lugnut situations. Incredibly hard to find, retailers didn't purchase, ended up at Ross.
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If someone could be so kind, grab me one of said Windcharger. My Ross stores have diddlysquat in terms of toys--all I've ever seen was G.I. Joe movie figures, and that was just a few months ago. Wind was my favorite mini, and having a full-blown one would be incredible.

As for Thor and Cap's toy lines, they don't really lend to kids well. They have small casts, and are totally unrelatable--Thor's a Nordic god and Cap is a soldier out of time (who for theist part doesn't need help from other allied soldiers).
I liked ol' Stars n Stipes as an older teen, but by then I wouldn't want action figures of him--certainly not six costume variations and an ally in Winter Soldier (who most people don't even know unless you were an avid comic reader).
That's why Spidey is way more successful--he's an average guy with real problems.
 
Not sure how many people here are a member of the Transformers Collectors Club (if I remember from last year, not many) but their 2012 exclusive figures are up for pre-order if you are a member.

This year is Shattered Glass Drift for $49 and Runabout (called Over-Run for legal reasons) for $54, if I remember right.

The club freebie is Runamuck, and this is the first (and probably only) update to the G1 figures we'll ever see.

Since I collect anything G1 Season 3 (my personal favorite era of Transformers), I absolutely went for Runabout (and I was already getting Runamuck since I'm a member.) They are already 50% sold out as I write this. Price is probably too high for some here but the good club figures hold their value well and the Runabout and Runamuck look fantastic, far better than anything they showed at Botcon.
 
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[quote name='Watchman']If someone could be so kind, grab me one of said Windcharger. My Ross stores have diddlysquat in terms of toys--all I've ever seen was G.I. Joe movie figures, and that was just a few months ago. Wind was my favorite mini, and having a full-blown one would be incredible. [/QUOTE]

I've looked every time I've gone by a 5-Below, but haven't seen one since the one I got way back when. They just opened a new Ross by my sister, I'll ask her to check it out some time.
 
[quote name='animalspinners']Not sure how many people here are a member of the Transformers Collectors Club (if I remember from last year, not many) but their 2012 exclusive figures are up for pre-order if you are a member..[/QUOTE]

I got Runabout and Runamuck. It's too expensive for what you get, really, but I've never done the whole Collectors Club/Exclusive thing before and I do have a soft spot for those guys.

I had Runabout as a kid and liked the design and the character, but hated the figure. It auto-transformed, but it was unposeable and had a motorized chassis hanging off the back end. One of those "it can't possibly be as bad as it looks" and is, in fact, worse.

Agreed that they are way better than the Botcon exclusives. I'm actually surprised one or both didn't end up there, as the Botcon guys do nothing for me, and the draw of Runabout/Runamuck was enough to get me to spend more than I thought they're worth.
 
I got a call from my mom today about some old boxes that I still have in my old room. She mentioned that there's a box of Transformers. They've been there for a good 5 years so I don't even remember what I had, just that they I had a bunch of Energon and Alternators. I'm pretty excited to see what's in the box.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']I got Runabout and Runamuck. It's too expensive for what you get, really, but I've never done the whole Collectors Club/Exclusive thing before and I do have a soft spot for those guys.

I had Runabout as a kid and liked the design and the character, but hated the figure. It auto-transformed, but it was unposeable and had a motorized chassis hanging off the back end. One of those "it can't possibly be as bad as it looks" and is, in fact, worse.

Agreed that they are way better than the Botcon exclusives. I'm actually surprised one or both didn't end up there, as the Botcon guys do nothing for me, and the draw of Runabout/Runamuck was enough to get me to spend more than I thought they're worth.[/QUOTE]

Well, it makes perfect sense for them to not be Botcon exclusives -- give away one half of a pair for free to current members and most people will want to complete the set, especially for G1 guys. Its a way to make sure they won't be stuck with any extras, since Botcon stuff sells no matter what it is due to the label.

The price doesn't bother me since anything the club does that is G1 shoots up in value insanely (this year's Botcon figs will change that, I think) -- if you change your mind or have buyer's remorse, you'll get more than what you paid for. G1 Side Burn, last years free figure, hovers around $80 to $100. Punch / Counterpunch hovers around $180 to $200. I expect a lot of people, when they start seeing other fans pics of Runamuck and Runabout together, will want them.

Granted, I didn't buy the figures because of potential future worth, but it certainly helps soften the blow to me when I think about what these will be worth in the future if I don't buy them now.

Plus, the packaging is pretty decent (a nice sturdy cardboard box), the artwork on the box is based on the Marvel G1 comic they were in, and it even has a spot in the box to place Runamuck. Not to mention a decent mold (which is where Botcon goes wrong on all its figures) and nice head sculpts. I ended up getting SG Drift because it complements my existing two SG guys (Goldbug and Blurr), the mold is fantastic imo and he's like a Transformers Deadpool, haha.

I have heard some rumors that this year's SDCC exclusive might be that G2 Laser Optimus mold repainted as Scourge (or Nemesis Prime) since Hasbro has a tradition of doing that, and that there is no way TFCC would have passed on doing a Nemesis Prime if they were allowed.
 
[quote name='animalspinners']Well, it makes perfect sense for them to not be Botcon exclusives -- give away one half of a pair for free to current members and most people will want to complete the set, especially for G1 guys. Its a way to make sure they won't be stuck with any extras, since Botcon stuff sells no matter what it is due to the label.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but why not make one of them be the club exclusive, and put the other in the Botcon set. Or make Drift the freebie, Runamuck for sale in the store, and Runabout in the Botcon set. That would be pure evil, and I'm amazed (but relieved) to think no one thought of that.

[quote name='animalspinners']Granted, I didn't buy the figures because of potential future worth, but it certainly helps soften the blow to me when I think about what these will be worth in the future if I don't buy them now.
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That's one of the good things about them and other third-party stuff. If you hate it, you can usually get what you paid out of it, if not more.

I'm definitely looking forward to both bots and the box, which is a nice extra. I really like the Tracks/Wheeljack mold, and it suits these guys very well.

Still, it's essentially $50 each, for molds I already have. I'm trying to not dwell on that. At least it's cheaper than the new Perfect Effect not-Arcee motorcycle. Looks great, but I'm not crossing the $100 deluxe line.
 
First wave of Fall of Cybertron figures revealed: Optimus Prime, Jazz and Shockwave. No pics, though.

Pretty excited to get a G1 inspired Shockwave, that is for sure. That figure is going to be scalped like crazy. Here is what he looked like in the game, so the figure should be close:

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/9104/wfcshockwave.jpg

I don't think he'll turn into the gun, as I think he was a jet in the game.

I could do without the Optimus, since this FOC Optimus is probably going to go right next to all the Prime and Movie All-Stars Optimus figures on the shelf.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Yeah, but why not make one of them be the club exclusive, and put the other in the Botcon set. Or make Drift the freebie, Runamuck for sale in the store, and Runabout in the Botcon set. That would be pure evil, and I'm amazed (but relieved) to think no one thought of that.
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The club makes a lot of mistakes but this one would result in a huge backlash from the fandom and I don't think they'd want to risk it. I'm sure they thought of it but they would see decreased sales across the board -- I wouldn't have bothered getting one if I had to troll ebay for the other figure.

Botcon figures sell simply because its Botcon, but the club needs an incentive to sell their exclusive figures, or else you get something like Animated Cheetor, last year's exclusive, who is still available to buy. By making one half a Botcon exclusive, people would have just passed on the other one -- a lot of people signed up for the club simply because they had a chance at getting both. Its clever marketing, as the club gets a ton of subscriptions as well.

It was definitely the right plan... I think they just tweeted they are at 99% Runabouts sold and 98% of Drifts sold in 24 hours, so this was a complete sellout of both figs in 24 hours which is a complete success. People assumed Drift wouldn't sell out due to being an IDW character and Shattered Glass, which is waning in popularity. Guess they were wrong.

That's one of the good things about them and other third-party stuff. If you hate it, you can usually get what you paid out of it, if not more.

I'm definitely looking forward to both bots and the box, which is a nice extra. I really like the Tracks/Wheeljack mold, and it suits these guys very well.

Still, it's essentially $50 each, for molds I already have. I'm trying to not dwell on that. At least it's cheaper than the new Perfect Effect not-Arcee motorcycle. Looks great, but I'm not crossing the $100 deluxe line.

The only Arcee I care about getting at this point is a Season 3 G1 inspired one that is show accurate and not a POS, as she is all that is missing from my main cast collection. I've yet to find one that has all of those qualities in one figure. Either its a good figure, but the alt mode isn't the car, or its got the right alt mode but the figure is junk.
 
[quote name='animalspinners']It was definitely the right plan... I think they just tweeted they are at 99% Runabouts sold and 98% of Drifts sold in 24 hours, so this was a complete sellout of both figs in 24 hours which is a complete success. People assumed Drift wouldn't sell out due to being an IDW character and Shattered Glass, which is waning in popularity. Guess they were wrong.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that update. Was going to put in an order when I got home from work tonight, but after seeing that, figured I shouldn't wait.

Edit : And they just tweeted there are 10 left, though they didn't specify what those 10 were.
 
[quote name='Bloomy']Thanks for that update. Was going to put in an order when I got home from work tonight, but after seeing that, figured I shouldn't wait.

Edit : And they just tweeted there are 10 left, though they didn't specify what those 10 were.[/QUOTE]

10 Runabouts left, 20 or so Drifts.

And Runabout is gone, it seems.
 
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FoC Prime better as hell not just be some repaint/repackaging of WfC Prime. I love that fig, but want another equally awesome fig :D
 
Interesting. So I preordered Cliffjumper FE from the Prime series from TFSource a little while ago. It's still sitting in my stack, but now the listing for Cliffjumper on the site says "SOLD OUT". Implies that they either knew the exact amount of Cliffjumpers they would be getting in or they aren't getting any and my order should be cancelled soon.
 
One of the G.I Joe SDCC exclusives continues the theme from last year -- Shockwave as a HISS Tank.

They didn't say who the driver was, if there is even going to be one.

Kind of cool they are continuing the tradition of TFs as Joe vehicles. I'm in for one.

Hope that Nemesis Prime rumor works out too.
 
[quote name='animalspinners']One of the G.I Joe SDCC exclusives continues the theme from last year -- Shockwave as a HISS Tank.

They didn't say who the driver was, if there is even going to be one.

Kind of cool they are continuing the tradition of TFs as Joe vehicles. I'm in for one.

Hope that Nemesis Prime rumor works out too.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, now I really have to get my hands on the starscream/CC skystryker if it is going to be the first in a series.
 
FoC Bruticus is confirmed.

Five deluxes that are a gestalt...Hasbro says its the largest they've ever done.

In a surprise move by Hasbro, they will be releasing five deluxe molds that will be "One of the bigger combiners that Hasbro has ever produced". Great news for fans of Transformers as generally combiner toys have long been passed over by Hasbro.

They've got pics on TFW. I'm just glad because a) I always enjoy buying Bruticus and b) those ROTF Bruticus sets used for the FP Bruticus will take a nosedive in price now that you can get an actual Bruticus cheap (or at least I hope so... my FP Bruticus is made up of strange color choices because I was cheap on getting him.)

The Hasbro one looks real good too. Its actual unique since its a cybertron mode Bruticus... hopefully its a box set and not individual.

I love how we can finally get back to the good stuff now that the movie is starting to fade.
 
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I'm totally getting that 5 deluxe Bruticus. I don't care if it's a set or individual. I hope individual actually, as that's how I remember getting my generation 2 Devastator as a kid (I think it was gen 2 anyways).
 
holycrapholycrapholycrapholycrapholycrap!!!! New combiner! WFC! Bruticus! I'm sooooo happy right now.

Less happy that Targets seem to have RID figs in the back, but not on the shelves, and at least the stores around me have a strict rule about going into the back for collectors :(

Still, the Bruticus news makes up for it :D (almost enough to make up for the fuck of of the FE figs. Not quite, but almost)
 
Transformers Prime figures started hitting Targets for the Feb. 26th reset, but people are buying them out of the backroom early (and some Targets are putting them up early as well.)

One local scalper hit 5 Targets and bought every Soundwave, Wheeljack and Megatron he could find, so I decided to hit up my local Target that I know he didn't go to.

Employee told me someone came in earlier and bought every single Prime figure they had. He said "we had some earlier in the stock room but the box is gone now, and the system is showing 0... I guess someone bought all of them?"

I know now that five Targets in my area have nothing left but Bumblebees and Optimus Prime's (thanks to flooding the cases with them) and my local store has nothing. When the pegs reset on Feb. 26th, Target has nothing.

Honestly, I am getting to the point where I hate collecting this line of figures, or anything Hasbro is involved with. Seriously considering just dropping TFs completely because this scalping is getting ridiculous.
 
1 Target only had voyagers, but was kind enough to get me one of each (haven't opened yet). Other Target wouldn't budge on their "won't go to back room" rule, though they admitted having inventory.

Cracked and picked up RiD BB, Cliffjumper, and Wheeljack at TRU (really really want a Soundwave!).
Mini reviews:
BB: fucking shit. Smaller and simpler than FE Bee, doesn't look properly when transformed even though it is thanks to a poorly implemented auto-morph gimmick.

Cliff: Interesting figure, not bad, but looks to pale in comparison to FE Cliff (wish I had one!). It's beyond stupid that he has a massive weapon that isn't storable (hidden) at all in vehicle mode. Not bad otherwise.

Wheeljack: Best of the bunch. Really clever leg transformation. Weapons are storable in vehicle mode (underside of car, tabs on the feet, not document on instructions). Really good figure.

The whole line just seems tiny. DotM figs were also really small, but at least had the (ultra stupid) MechTech weapons. Deluxes are between basic and deluxe size, and the voyagers seem pretty small too.

Overall pretty disappointed. Honestly wouldn't be so disappointed if I hadn't seen the glorious future promised by the FE figs (complex puzzle boxes with beautiful alt and bot modes), only to see it disappear (small, simple, awkward figures) :(
 
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The whole line just seems tiny. DotM figs were also really small, but at least had the (ultra stupid) MechTech weapons. Deluxes are between basic and deluxe size, and the voyagers seem pretty small too.
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It was either this or raise prices -- every other line Hasbro makes saw a marked increase in prices except Transformers, which they made smaller instead to keep at the same price. A G.I Joe costs almost the same as a Transformers deluxe figure these days, for comparison (which is crazy.)

Since Transformers is seen as a "kids brand," (Hasbro seems to market Marvel Universe / Legends and G.I Joe to collectors these days more than anything) they probably wanted to keep costs lower so parents would still buy them. Plus, the price for Transformers makes them look like a deal compared to everything else on the shelf.

Hasbro didn't do so well in 2011 (according to their earnings call, where they admitted as such) so they are cutting back across the board. A lot of their other lines are using less articulation now, so its not like just TF is scaling back.

And good luck with that Soundwave, who is 1 per case. BBTS won't sell him separately and HTS is rumored to be getting out of the single figure business, so yea... just good luck. I've given up on finding one, but I also can't compete with someone who buys cases of figures at the crack of dawn.
 
Well I finally picked up the boxes from my moms that I mentioned a few pages back, and I don't even remember owning half of these. I have the TF Universe Devastator, and a set of some TFs called Tiny Tins. Amazing what you forget you owned just 5 or 6 years ago. I also have some mini ones and I have no idea what they are.

Overall though it doesn't look like I was sitting on anything too valuable. So much for ebaying them towards a new tv.
 
animalspinners, I sympathize with your pain. There have been times where I have been ready to just stop going to stores or even just take a break from collecting. It's frustrating, and some of Hasbro's bizarre, collector-unfriendly policies and procedures just add insult to injury. It shouldn't be this hard to collect toys, and Hasbro should use some sense to not make it harder on the customers who consistently buy their product.

I just got an email for a survey about HasbroToyShop.com. I imagine others here have ordered from them, and will get the survey too. It's a good way to send a message, as there are several times during the survey you can put in comments (unfortunately, there's not an opportunity at the end).

I let them know that I think their online store largely sucks, because without free shipping or a discount, there's not much incentive to shop there. Also, their stock is inconsistent, items are unavailable or out of stock, and things that are hard to find in stores are often not even on their site. I also let them know if they made it possible to buy all the items in a product line, I'd be right there with my cash.

If you get the survey, use it to send a message.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']animalspinners, I sympathize with your pain. There have been times where I have been ready to just stop going to stores or even just take a break from collecting. It's frustrating, and some of Hasbro's bizarre, collector-unfriendly policies and procedures just add insult to injury. It shouldn't be this hard to collect toys, and Hasbro should use some sense to not make it harder on the customers who consistently buy their product.[/QUOTE]

I just can't compete with the guy who hits five Targets a day (and as soon as they open, because this is his job I guess) and somehow convinces every single store to sell him product from the back. I actually found a Target that just got stock in today, I called ahead about a half hour after they opened because it was quite a drive and was told "Oh, the Prime figures? Someone grabbed them all this morning when the store opened."

When you make something like Soundwave one-per-case, you're pandering to the scalper audience. Why is he limited, and not the character who dies at the very beginning of the show or the character who has only been in one episode? In terms of kids, I guarantee that they want Soundwave, who has been in nearly every episode, over Wheeljack or Cliffjumper. Hell, if they missed the Wheeljack episode they don't even know who he is!

Hasbro consistently says "Decepticons don't sell, kids want Autobots" but I've never yet seen a Decepticon pegwarmer. I really think they need to re-evaluate where they get their information from.

Like Zmonkay, Soundwave is one of the few figures from this line I want, but to get him I either have to show up to stores as they open (not possible) or buy a case of figures at BBTS, and end up with an unneeded Wheeljack, Cliffjumper and Bumblebee. Either that, or hound TRU's website 24/7 until they restock. All options are unappealing.

And now I just saw its the same guy who hit five other Targets yesterday, hit the one store I called. Don't you have enough Soundwaves by now? You've grabbed the damn Megatron and Soundwave from SIX. FREAKING. STORES.

I don't mean to complain a ton but damn do I need to vent. Its one thing to have bad distribution and its another to have one guy go to every damn store in your area, and the surrounding three cities, and buy all the one per case figures. All that's left at all six Targets here is Bumbleebee and Cliffjumper for Deluxes and Prime for Voyagers... and Target hasn't even done their reset and put the figures out yet.
 
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That's lame and we should be hammering Target as well as Hasbro. They shouldn't be selling stuff from the backroom before anyone even has a chance.
 
Why should Target be hammered? The Prime figures are NOT street dated. Target has a planogram refresh date of Feb 26 for the toy department. It makes no sense to get upset at Target employees who are just doing their jobs. The answers you get about pulling product from the back are going to vary from store to store and employee to employee. If you get denied, don't make a fuss just try a different store or the same store at another time. I would really not try to push my luck otherwise the store will get annoyed with collectors and put up the "limited items, not going to pull from the back" signs that they have done in the past.
As someone who has collected Star Wars, Transformers and friends who collect Joes I understand getting caught up in the hype of a new line or a new wave but in all my years of collecting I have also come to learn patience, which was never one of my strong suits. These Prime figures have been out like a week or two and have only hit two retailers in low quantities. In a month or two everyone is going to be complaining that this wave is peg warming everywhere and will be clamoring for the next wave. Also keep in mind that there will be revision cases and I am sure Soundwave will be shipped at least two to a case in the future.
 
No need to relax, wasn't speaking to you directly otherwise I would've quoted you. Generally street dates are only given to the launch of a movie line. My comments were in general about the whole Prime hysteria and the impatience around it. And its not just here as I've seen it on other boards as well. If the proper information is put out there perhaps those who are impatient to get them will relax.
 
I think people are basing some of their reactions on past experiences with Hasbro and with the way Prime FE was handled here in the states. But I hope you are right!
 
TFW has posted pictures of Bruticus. Follow the link to the boards to get to pictures of Onslaught. There are links to all the others, too, if you follow them.

I think it looks really, really good. Considering these are all Hasbro Deluxes and it looks like everything is part of the bots (as opposed to stick-on hands/feet or candy-colored Energon weapons), I have to say I'm pretty impressed.

I rag on Hasbro a lot, but it's nice to give them a compliment when it looks like they're doing something right. I hope it's stable -- that's the only thing you can't really judge from pictures.
 
I have to disagree about not getting upset with Target. If someone comes in and wants to buy your entire inventory of a product before you've put it out, 1. It should be obvious he's a scalper and 2. You've just left an entire empty gap on your shelves for a few weeks, waiting for a restock (if one is coming at all). Speaking as someone who did retail management for 15 years, I would tell the guy to buzz off and take his chances like everyone else.
There are outlets for buying inventory for your own personal gain: retail stores are the most exploitable because they prey on naive employees (and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this guy doesn't slip a $20 or even a $50 into the pockets of the more stubborn workers to have them pull the inventory out). I simply abhor anyone who spends their entire day exploiting the system that's set up so everyone can have a fair chance.
 
I think Bruticus looks great too, though I kind of wish Vortex was closer to his original color scheme. Oh well maybe it leaves some repaint potential, which I'd gladly pick up. I'm also hoping for repaint in the colors of the RID version.
 
Maketoys Battle Tanker review

This is a tough review, because my feelings on the Battle Tanker are generally positive, but a little mixed.

PROS

+ QA is top notch
+ Paint, details, and accessories are superior to Hasbro
+ Design is innovative
+ Transformation is intuitive (once you get it)

CONS

- Expensive
- 'Disc launcher' isn't functional
- Clippy arm guards are nerve-wracking
- Instructions are confusing and then some.

I had a devil of a time when I opened Battle Tanker. It comes with a different Optimus head (you don't need to use it, but it's superior to RtS G2 Prime's head), so there was time dealing with that. There's a replacement for G2 Prime's torso, which you also don't need to use, but the new codpiece attaches to it, so if you want to use that, you have to unscrew and replace the torso front. Mine did not want to sit exactly flush and the screw did not want to go in all the way, but it did work. Then all the parts. Then the confusing instructions.

It was a long time before I had him in one mode, and even longer getting him to the other. The instructions have a couple of spots where it was completely unclear to me how to go from one step to the next. Thankfully, once you get it and understand what you have to do, it's relatively easy and fast.

The set becomes a trailer (an homage to G2 Laser Prime) or augmented armor for G2 Prime's robot mode. There are extensions to the legs, new hands, new arm guards, a new codpiece, and the bulk of the trailer straps on as a half mech/half rocket launcher backpack.

There are also accessories, including a light up sword, guns, a regular sword for Prime, and an extra sword for Drift. You certainly get a lot.

Starting with the trailer, it's quite impressive. It's smaller than G2 Laser Prime, but the base figure on that was bigger. It's scaled perfectly for RtS G2 Prime and the details are terrific. Plastic colors match, paint details are nice, and it works brilliantly. Also, everything stores in or on the trailer. It looks great and does not look like an assemblage of robot parts.

Robot mode is more of a mixed bag. The feet snap on securely, though the blue shinguards don't always seem to want to stay put. The codpiece goes on well but you have to attach it firmly. The fists work great. The arm guards bother me -- they use a clip (like on recent figures like Darkmount, Warpath, and Breacher) to attach. It's a substantial clip, but you have to use force to get it on and I worry about breakage because every time you transform him, you have to either force them on or pull them off. I am impressed by the design, but kind of wish they had designed arm guards that just slipped over the existing arms.

By itself, without the rest of the tanker, it's...okay. It's more impressive certainly, but it's not the difference between Prime and Powermaster Prime. Prime is taller and bulkier, but doesn't seem all that different. I got out Protector to compare, and that's a real transformation. Put Rodimus and Protector next to each other and they are like different figures entirely. Prime with the extra armor is taller and more imposing, but it feels like the same figure with some added bits.

Then comes the backpack. I was somewhat down on this, as I found it hard to pose. Then I figured out I had it mistransformed (see confusing instructions) and it worked much better when I did an extra step to rotate the parts connected to the rocket launchers. Poseability is still not amazingly easy, but you can get lots of dramatic poses (although it's still not exactly easy to have Optimus point all his guns right in front of him).

I've heard that some people needed to apply superglue to the leg ball joints because Prime couldn't support the weight. Mine doesn't need it (yet), but I can see why as there's a lot to support. Mine will stand in many poses, but not all of them because the weight is too much for the ball joints. I'll probably apply superglue or Future at some point.

There are a lot of neat things. Each half of the trailer has a rocket launcher, and handles that swing down or up so that Prime can hold them in his new fists. This works really well and is very well designed. There are guns that can swing out or be hidden, and even though it's a truck strapped to Prime's back, it doesn't really look like it.

The light up sword is nice. I've read some comments that it doesn't function very well, but I think it does. In low light you can see all the ridges of the sword light up. This is certainly better than
Laser Prime ever accomplished. Sure, it's mostly just the jewel and the base. But it does work, and I think it's a nice touch that it works better than the original. I'm glad they included it.

I hate to list it as a downside, but it's actually a complement in a way. Maketoys was so thorough in including seemingly everything that it made me miss the disc launcher. (The two raised areas on the top of the trailer launched plastic discs on G2 Laser Prime). I actually think disc launchers are a little silly and I'm kind of beyond the bother of them, but they were so scrupulous to detail that it's kind of hard to not look at it and think "if only...". As it stands, there's a fold down targeting screen, but because there are no discs, it looks a little...weird. Silly is too strong, but it's a bit much for a targeting screen. You can put it behind Prime, but you can't totally fold it out of the way. Had it actually launched discs, it would have been kind of neat. Most of the time it just looks awkward.

SHOULD YOU BUY IT:

Tough question. Were it not for the expense, I'd say sure. I'm not bowled over by it, but the trailer is very nifty and (for some) worth the price of admission alone. Trailers are not cheap, and most of the third party trailers do nothing or next to nothing and cost as much.

The extensions to G2 Prime are good, but I find myself in the position that the armor itself is okay but underwhelming. The change here is not as dramatic as City Commander or Protector, and I wasn't bowled over by Protector, either. The addition of the backpack is good but not great. It's almost too much -- too bulky, too difficult to easily pose, and a little over the top. It works, and it's badass. It's just not the epitome of cool while being badass.

I have to draw some comparisons to Ultimate Optimus Prime. Price point is comparable (though Ultimate Optimus was available for some steep discounts) and delivers a similar experience -- a trailer that augments the figure, only that one comes with the figure, too.

I had low expectations for Ultimate Optimus -- I was expecting a brick and it pretty much is. But Ultimate Optimus has his charms, and it's more poseable than Powermaster Prime, for instance. There's a lot to like about Ultimate Optimus and it was well worth the $45 I ended up paying for it.

I had higher expectations for Maketoys Battle Tanker, so I'm a little let down. It is by no means bad, but it is also not the kind of amazing experience that FansProject delivers with its best. It definitely improves G2 Prime, and you are not getting skimped on contents. That said, the cost is not cheap for a very good trailer that doubles as okay armor and a big, bulky backpack that works pretty well.

In terms of figures, I think Battle Tanker is better than Ultimate Optimus. Battle Tanker is far more poseable and less bricky, which means you can get poses that really bring out some personality. Also, Battle Tanker's implementation of "Optimus with big guns" is so much better -- the rocket launchers work so much better than the big MechTech brick. You do get a big toy out of Ultimate Optimus, though.

I feel it's about on par with Protector, so if you liked that, you should like this. Protector did a better job of upgrading Rodimus, but Battle Tanker does a better job of using the whole trailer. But it's not Bruticus or City Commander level of "oh my gosh, this is so amazing you must have it". Bonus points if you like lots of accessories, have a thing for G2 Prime, or like your Primes with oversized weapons.
 
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