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You know, I just wondered about something. With companies like GameFly that would be almost put out of business overnight by a console like this, doesn't it violate anti-trust laws? Just a random thought, could be totally wrong but I'm interested to know.
 
[quote name='dallow']I'm more worried about not being able to lend and borrow games.[/QUOTE]

same here plus i don't buy used games much so it's really not a big deal if it is true.
 
[quote name='Jodou']You know, I just wondered about something. With companies like GameFly that would be almost put out of business overnight by a console like this, doesn't it violate anti-trust laws? Just a random thought, could be totally wrong but I'm interested to know.[/QUOTE]

Doubt it...think of it like PC Gaming. Games come with codes for online redemption and after you're done you can't trade them in.
 
[quote name='foltzie']Phil is an executive who should have specific knowledge of this sort and understand its implications (he worked on the PS3 before). There is ample reason to believe he knew what he was saying, and thus, meant it.[/QUOTE]

but he said HE thinks it's 24 hours why would he have to say he thinks lol
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']if xbox one does do this online and code stuff for every single game im pretty sure ps4 will do the same. I know for a fact if this happens it's the game companys wanting this to happen thanks to them losing money in 2nd hand game sales. what will people do if ps4 does same thing just stay with old systems?[/QUOTE]

Well if no one buys the new systems and sales are as bad as Wii U then we'll just have a game crash of sorts.
 
[quote name='Jodou']You know, I just wondered about something. With companies like GameFly that would be almost put out of business overnight by a console like this, doesn't it violate anti-trust laws? Just a random thought, could be totally wrong but I'm interested to know.[/QUOTE]

gamefly sells new games also plus they sell pc and pc download games they would still be fine
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Doubt it...think of it like PC Gaming. Games come with codes for online redemption and after you're done you can't trade them in.[/QUOTE]


You don't think that's shitty for console games?
3 decades of console gaming rules being rewritten. And what is our benefit from it?
 
[quote name='foltzie']http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the controversy part of his post:
so he THNKS it's 24 hours lol if you guys follow microsoft like i have to for my job you would know what kind of idiot harrison is before windows 8 came out he said alot of stuff about windows 8 that was never true and he almost got fired for saying stuff that was not true and that website source has made awful articles like that.
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as a person that has always been a pc gamer also this stuff has been going on in pc world for years. which is why for me none of this is a issue for me. i will still be buying a ps4 and x1
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']if xbox one does do this online and code stuff for every single game im pretty sure ps4 will do the same. I know for a fact if this happens it's the game companys wanting this to happen thanks to them losing money in 2nd hand game sales. what will people do if ps4 does same thing just stay with old systems?[/QUOTE]

The way I understand it, Sony has the technology in place to block used games but they are leaving it up to the publishers/developers as to whether they want to use it. Some publishers have complained heavily about used games, others are on the side of consumer rights. I will not be buying any games from the publishers that block used games.

Yes, every game publisher and developer wants to make money. But to think that all of them will unanimously block used games is ridiculous. At this point there is no clear evidence that used games even hinder the sales of new games, and I'm sure that many publishers realize this.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm talking about the controversy part of his post:[/QUOTE]

just read up on what he said about other microsoft products you will find many things that was never true or happend
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']The way I understand it, Sony has the technology in place to block used games but they are leaving it up to the publishers/developers as to whether they want to use it. Some publishers have complained heavily about used games, others are on the side of consumer rights. I will not be buying any games from the publishers that block used games.

Yes, every game publisher and developer wants to make money. But to think that all of them will unanimously block used games is ridiculous. At this point there is no clear evidence that used games even hinder the sales of new games, and I'm sure that many publishers realize this.[/QUOTE]

i think it's possible that is what microsoft ends up doing allowing the game makers the choice if they want to block used games or not.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']as a person that has always been a pc gamer also this stuff has been going on in pc world for years. which is why for me none of this is a issue for me. i will still be buying a ps4 and x1[/QUOTE]

Consoles are getting the worst part of PC gaming, without any of the benefits.
 
lol, Timbo totally drank the kool-aid, i not sure if he's a dumb kid or some crazy fanboy or a "undercover" ms employee.

Personally I can live with the restrictions like always online, activations etc, because it is not an issue for me. HOWEVER there is no way in hell I want to live with them.

Do I want a console that is "always on"?
Hell no.
Do I want a system where all games are linked to my GT?
Hell no.
Do I want a system where I cannot lend games to buddies?
Hell no.
Do I want a console where I have to pay full MSRP for "used" games?
Hell no.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Consoles are getting the worst part of PC gaming, without any of the benefits.[/QUOTE]

well quality of games will be far better then this gen. But i agree the prices will never be low as pc games
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']well quality of games will be far better then this gen. But i agree the prices will never be low as pc games[/QUOTE]


It's true, now we'll have dogs on our side in COD.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']lol, Timbo totally drank the kool-aid, i not sure if he's a dumb kid or some crazy fanboy or a undercover ms employee.

Personally I can live with the restrictions like always online, activations etc, because it is not an issue for me. HOWEVER there is no way in hell I want to live with them.

Do I want a console that is "always on"?
Hell no.
Do I want a system where all games are linked to my GT?
Hell no.
Do I want a system where I cannot lend games to buddies?
Hell no.
Do I want a console where I have to pay full MSRP for "used" games?
Hell no.[/QUOTE]

im not drinking the kool aid at all seeing i hate the idea if these rumors are true you should be able to bring a game disc to someone house and play it on their system with no problems. i just have hated to jump on things thanks to rumors. Their are so many things going around saying this saying that some microsoft people are saying you don't have to ever connect xbox to internet if you don't have intenret and then some are saying you do ever day. i jsut hate how people judge stuff before it's offfical announced.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']just read up on what he said about other microsoft products you will find many things that was never true or happend[/QUOTE]
As I said, google searches about Phil Harrison and Windows 8 only brings up articles about him talking about Microsoft Studios being Multiformat and Steam Box, so you will need to provide links.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']It's true, now we'll have dogs on our side in COD.[/QUOTE]

well dogs are in 360 version also lolol which makes me lol more at cod fanboys going crazy on other forums about buying xbox one just for cod
 
It's going to be Steam without the sales.

That being said, we are a dual Xbox 360 household, and I felt the policies on using content on multiple Xbox's has been fair.
 
[quote name='Jodou']You know, I just wondered about something. With companies like GameFly that would be almost put out of business overnight by a console like this, doesn't it violate anti-trust laws? Just a random thought, could be totally wrong but I'm interested to know.[/QUOTE]
Almost certainly they're going to get a deal. Probably something like they'll pay x million a month and MS gives them so many licenses each month.

And as I mentioned before, I'm sure GS will get a hell of a deal on bulk licenses.
 
I was thinking (way too much about it), so what if you can only play games you bought with your account? Doesn't Steam, the biggest and most profitable PC distribution system for Valve and game developers, already do this? Wouldn't this be pretty much the same thing? I don't like it, because I have been doing things differently my whole life but maybe it's a necessary step Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo need to take for the future. You can play the game you bought on any console as long as you are signed in just like you can do now with Steam but you can have the game associated with one or two consoles where anybody can play it. You wouldn't be able to let your friends borrow your games but that's something we aren't going to be able to do when we go full digital so this is how we "ease" into it. I have bought games on XBL where I let my younger brother download them first and then I download them on my console and I HAVE to be online to play the game, it would pretty much be like that but with every game. Like I said, we aren't going to like it and there will probably be a backlash but we have to make the move sometime, it's just going to be hard for "us" since we are used to borrowing/lending games, selling them, trading them in etc.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']As I said, google searches about Phil Harrison and Windows 8 only brings up articles about him talking about Microsoft Studios being Multiformat and Steam Box, so you will need to provide links.[/QUOTE]

i don't get my news from google like you lol im a lead it guy for a company so i get industry news that non industry people say. hell will freeze over before i trust what that guy says i had to go backto windows 7 after i installed windows 8 on work computers and we found out they took something out that he said would be in windows 8.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']well quality of games will be far better then this gen. But i agree the prices will never be low as pc games[/QUOTE]
Don't forget Mods. It's a problem if I can't trade a game in because it will be dead cheap on Steam in two-three months and mods. Why should I buy a $400-500 console. Nothing against xbox or ps4, I am not against any company, it's more of a cost thing.
 
phil harrison is a idiot has always hated him ever since he got lead man once bill gates left. just like apple with jobs once gates left that is when microsoft went down the poopers. might i add that's about the time xbox started to turn into kinect and entertainment hub which is not bad thing but little example how things have changed.
 
[quote name='dallow']Basically, you're making shit up.[/QUOTE]

do you follow microsoft and not just xbox? it's my job to follow them and anything to do with that it side of things.
 
Guys obviously TimboSlice knows what's what cause he talked to some guys who might've seen Harrison at a party that one time.
 
Lol

[quote name='eliter1']I was thinking (way too much about it), so what if you can only play games you bought with your account? Doesn't Steam, the biggest and most profitable PC distribution system for Valve and game developers, already do this? Wouldn't this be pretty much the same thing? I don't like it, because I have been doing things differently my whole life but maybe it's a necessary step Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo need to take for the future. You can play the game you bought on any console as long as you are signed in just like you can do now with Steam but you can have the game associated with one or two consoles where anybody can play it. You wouldn't be able to let your friends borrow your games but that's something we aren't going to be able to do when we go full digital so this is how we "ease" into it. I have bought games on XBL where I let my younger brother download them first and then I download them on my console and I HAVE to be online to play the game, it would pretty much be like that but with every game. Like I said, we aren't going to like it and there will probably be a backlash but we have to make the move sometime, it's just going to be hard for "us" since we are used to borrowing/lending games, selling them, trading them in etc.[/QUOTE]

A big issue is that PC is an open platform. These consoles are not.
 
My problem with the presentation is a lack of focus on games. Everybody knows that the PS3 has no games, but Sony has made great strides to become more developer friendly when it comes to the PS4. Time will tell whether this is successful or not, but I think they are in a great position to counter Microsoft's abysmal presentation with an even greater focus on the games.

Cable TV enthusiasts already have their cable boxes. Social media enthusiasts already have their Celeron-powered laptops and Facebook/Twitter. Where are the games? What are they really going to look like? How are they really going to perform? What are these new IPs? They announce the existence of some new IPs and then show Call of Duty.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']im not drinking the kool aid at all seeing i hate the idea if these rumors are true you should be able to bring a game disc to someone house and play it on their system with no problems. i just have hated to jump on things thanks to rumors. Their are so many things going around saying this saying that some microsoft people are saying you don't have to ever connect xbox to internet if you don't have intenret and then some are saying you do ever day. i jsut hate how people judge stuff before it's offfical announced.[/QUOTE]

It's all but confirmed at this point. VPs from MS and stating what they know. They will never really directly state what is happening. They tend to have a way of dancing around the issues and dodging the questions.

Once everything is official you'll still defend them. I understand having hope but your optimism is blind.


I bet you don't believe the Holocaust...
 
phil said windows 8 would have a option for normal start button and then after he said that 2 months later he changed it and said nope their will not be a option for that.
 
So what I gather from 24 hrs is that Orth created a firestorm with his comments and they backed down because Internet in the US isn't that great. They got into their Xbox OS code and changed the "stop working when X time hits" from x=5 minutes to x = 24hrs.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']It's all but confirmed at this point. VPs from MS and stating what they know. They will never really directly state what is happening. They tend to have a way of dancing around the issues and dodging the questions.

Once everything is offical you'll still defend them. I understand having hope but your optimism is blind.[/QUOTE]

well if it comes out that you need to register a game im fine with that if you want to install the game on hard drive and don't need disk to play it im fine with that it's a nice feature. Where i would have a problem would be if you can't even take the game disc and play it on another xbox one system which would be complete BS. I would not understand why you would need to be online to play a game on disc makes no sense at all.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']well if it comes out that you need to register a game im fine with that if you want to install the game on hard drive and don't need disk to play it im fine with that it's a nice feature. Where i would have a problem would be if you can't even take the game disc and play it on another xbox one system which would be complete BS. I would not understand why you would need to be online to play a game on disc makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE]
You can take it and play it on your pal's Xbox so long as YOU'RE logged in over there.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']You can take it and play it on your pal's Xbox so long as YOU'RE logged in over there.[/QUOTE]

but that is still dumb lol if i payed 60 bucks possible more who knows what games will cost this gen i should be able to play when ever where ever i want internet or not
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']but that is still dumb lol if i payed 60 bucks possible more who knows what games will cost this gen i should be able to play when ever where ever i want internet or not[/QUOTE]

This is all dumb. It's basically confirmation of everything everyone was afraid of.


Now it makes a lot of sense why GameStop's CEO was so excited about the Xbox One. They're not going to have any competition for aftermarket dollars from eBay or Craigslist. Everyone will buy used from him and he'll have that sweetheart deal for bulk license purchases. Bend over and take it consumers!
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GameStop-Xbox-720-PS4-Demand-Compelling,21835.html
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']but that is still dumb lol if i payed 60 bucks possible more who knows what games will cost this gen i should be able to play when ever where ever i want internet or not[/QUOTE]

Oh my god you really are slidecage's brother.

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IF the no used game rumor is true, and it would truly blow my mind, I'm out. I'm not supporting any of that shit.

It's possible Microsoft floated vague info to gauge public reaction.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']This is all dumb. It's basically confirmation of everything everyone was afraid of.


Now it makes a lot of sense why GameStop's CEO was so excited about the Xbox One. They're not going to have any competition for aftermarket dollars from eBay or Craigslist. Everyone will buy used from him and he'll have that sweetheart deal for bulk license purchases. Bend over and take it consumers!
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GameStop-Xbox-720-PS4-Demand-Compelling,21835.html[/QUOTE]


I suspected MS was in bed with Gamestop
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']what i can see going on is you buy a used game and at the store you pay like a 5-10 extra for a game code[/QUOTE]


more like 30-60
 
so i guess if both systems have this everyone will just buy a gaming pc or use 360 and ps3 for next ten years but game support will stop after five years from now if that
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']more like 30-60[/QUOTE]

i doudt that. it will replace online pass which was ten bucks by most companys. it makes sense now why EA has stop doing online pass. i knew something was up when that came out.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']i doudt that. it will replace online pass which was ten bucks by most companys. it makes sense now why EA has stop doing online pass. i knew something was up when that came out.[/QUOTE]

I bet it will be a sliding scale. Game new? $60. Recently released new game used? Trade in guy gets about $10 and GS charges $55 and claims they had to pay out the ass for the license when in fact they paid $20. Then over time as the MSRP decreases and the game becomes less popular, their license cost decreases down to maybe as low as a dollar. Remember, GS can charge what they want regardless of what the license costs.
 
[quote name='Erad30']Guys obviously TimboSlice knows what's what cause he talked to some guys who might've seen Harrison at a party that one time.[/QUOTE]

lol
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']phil said windows 8 would have a option for normal start button and then after he said that 2 months later he changed it and said nope their will not be a option for that.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but it's still not bringing up any results. Are you sure it was Phil Harrison? I'm seeing that somebody named Jensen Harris was one of the top members of the Windows 8 team, which seems more likely to be your person of ire than somebody from the Xbox team.
 
The big thing I take away from this "reveal" is that the real, pressing questions people want answers to weren't even touched upon in their press conference. They spent an hour on mostly useless apps a large part of the gaming public could care less about, but no time on talking about used games, pricing, etc etc. Here we are pages in, and still having to rely on various reports, PR spin and information less than concrete. That's a total fail -- and MS is getting killed all over the net, as well they ought to be, for their (apparent) stance on the issue and lack of clarity on top of it.
 
[quote name='Spokker']Everybody knows that the PS3 has no games[/QUOTE]

I was with you until you said this. Wtf are you talking about the PS3 has no games? lol
 
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