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Tothoro said:
No Switch version of any Yakuza game except Kiwami exists. When/if Sega ports them there might be a physical, whether it's through LRG or retail probably depends on how well these sell.
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No I know. I just figured it'd be at the same time like with Kiwami 1.
 
Vic Ireland, from Working Designs and later Gaijinworks (who essentially did what LRG does before they did it) went on a podcast recently in light of the Lunar news: https://retrohangover.captivate.fm/...tor-ireland-ft-coury-of-mlig-joe-of-game-sack

Posting here because LRG came up a few times. He mentioned that LRG threw him under the bus for the poor Cosmic Fantasy Collection re-releases - saying they didn't know how to contact them to license the versions he has rights for when they did indeed have his email.

With Lunar coming out, he mentioned reaching out to GungHo to license the previous localization but was met with silence. He mentioned he had a lot of ideas for a deluxe physical including a re-release of the locket and more punch puppets, and digital stuff like outtakes, auditions, and con panels but that he wouldn't trust LRG to do them well given their track record. Here's hoping some other company (maybe Doug's new one, if he still reads this thread) can scoop it up instead of LRG.

I know people are pretty critical of WD's translations, so make of it what you will, but I thought it was some neat insight regardless.
 
Tothoro said:
Vic Ireland, from Working Designs and later Gaijinworks (who essentially did what LRG does before they did it) went on a podcast recently in light of the Lunar news: https://retrohangover.captivate.fm/...tor-ireland-ft-coury-of-mlig-joe-of-game-sack

Posting here because LRG came up a few times. He mentioned that LRG threw him under the bus for the poor Cosmic Fantasy Collection re-releases - saying they didn't know how to contact them to license the versions he has rights for when they did indeed have his email.

With Lunar coming out, he mentioned reaching out to GungHo to license the previous localization but was met with silence. He mentioned he had a lot of ideas for a deluxe physical including a re-release of the locket and more punch puppets, and digital stuff like outtakes, auditions, and con panels but that he wouldn't trust LRG to do them well given their track record. Here's hoping some other company (maybe Doug's new one, if he still reads this thread) can scoop it up instead of LRG.

I know people are pretty critical of WD's translations, so make of it what you will, but I thought it was some neat insight regardless.
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Greg on Player One podcast talks about this today. Worth a listen but short version is he's no fan of Vic. I don't care for WD translations so no thanks.
 
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I received Dariusburst CS Core +SEGA +TAITO Pack Switch in the mail today from SLG. They didn't even send a shipping notification.
 
portnoyd said:
Vic Ireland is the Hulk Hogan of JRPGs. It really fits if you think about it.
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The common denominator in all of those old WD games getting re-released or remasters is him. He always says he offers a fair deal, but I think it's "fair to Vic" kind of deal on the work he has IP rights and/or licensing.

He really doesn't seem to care about getting the games back out there.
 
TheKbob said:
The common denominator in all of those old WD games getting re-released or remasters is him. He always says he offers a fair deal, but I think it's "fair to Vic" kind of deal on the work he has IP rights and/or licensing.

He really doesn't seem to care about getting the games back out there.
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Most game companies don't want do royalties and that's what Vic wants. The only figure he gave in the podcast was wanting "a few dimes per unit" for the Sega Classic, which was turned down. Royalties are a pain for multiple reasons, so that's where the sticking point seems to be. He mentioned that they lost around half a million on Summon Night 6 because a distributor they were working with declared bankruptcy and closed shop, so he's been less involved on the video game front lately but that negotiations have been going on several fronts.

But at the same time, he mentions having a pretty successful pinball business on the side so it doesn't seem like he is hurting for money. You think he'd welcome the extra money either way, even if it is just a one-time payment. Who knows? I'd encourage folks listening to the podcast either way, some interesting anecdotes about the current situation, his localizations, old-timey Sega, and so on.
 
Tothoro said:
You think he'd welcome the extra money either way, even if it is just a one-time payment. Who knows?
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You'd think a company so dedicated to bringing games over to the fans wouldn't have its former CEO and rights holder nickle and diming deals.

Best way to play those games is still emulation, it seems, since any modern re-release is not likely to please most crowds. It's like that PSP remake of Lunar that had to replace the music and voices. If it was your first, people liked it. But if it wasn't, at least to me, it was like a cheese grater to the ears.
 
I’m surprised at LRG’s Metal Slug Tactics options compared to Pix’n Love. They don’t have a shock box version? (Pix’n love used the better shock boxes anyway).
 
I think maybe they don't pick up the retro stuff, like the 8-bit Music Power NES games? Some stuff sells out pretty quickly (Grandia HD seemed to) but yeah otherwise it seems like they get most everything.
 
Pheria said:
I think maybe they don't pick up the retro stuff, like the 8-bit Music Power NES games? Some stuff sells out pretty quickly (Grandia HD seemed to) but yeah otherwise it seems like they get most everything.
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Ugh, I'm still salty about missing Grandia HD PS4...
 
I'm still waiting for a bunch of Ps4 games to make it to VGP. Like Rocket knight, Felix, Arzette, or BloodDragon I stopped buying as much LRG stuff after purple dot started, but I'm starting to worry VGP won't get those titles at all.
 
Vinny said:
Is there anything from LRG that hasn't made it to VGP after like, 6 months?
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guy3467 mentioned several of them. I think there were some from Wales Interactive (those movie-like games) that I'd be interested in taking a look at, too, if they showed up at VGP.
 
Got a shipping notice this morning for Shadow of the Damned (PS5) and Beyond Good and Evil (Xbox).

That leaves me with one open order for Star Wars Bounty Hunter (Xbox) and Castlevania Dominus (Xbox).

I'm almost free!

But they could pull me back in with a Legacy of Kain™ Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Physical.
 
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Vinny said:
Wow, I almost ordered Chained Echoes from them but held off because so many people kept saying they've been waiting a long time. Like longer then LRG long so you know it's like, inconceivably long.
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1st press games is shady

Unfortunately i kickstarted Goodboy Galaxy through them and it was suppose to release i think Q1 of this year. We are in Q4 right now, and no end in sight. You dodged a bullet with Chained Echoes.

I guess it could have been worse and be DispatchGames and just got scammed right off the bat lol
 
Vinny said:
Wow, I almost ordered Chained Echoes from them but held off because so many people kept saying they've been waiting a long time. Like longer then LRG long so you know it's like, inconceivably long.
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I ordered Crimzon Clover on 9/12/21 and I still have no idea when I will receive it. I did receive Natsuki Chronicles and Ginga Force so they might ship it one these years.
 
I ordered four games from First Press in 2019, I've since received two of them. Still waiting on Underhero and Pyschotic Adventures Origins. Wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole at this point. Also more than a little annoyed they prioritized Chained Echoes over the like 20 releases they have in production purgatory, but that's what got eyes on them and how they're attempting to salvage their reputation, apparently.
 
First Press Games is just as bad as Strictly Limited Games. Both these companies should not be trusted.

I've never ordered from First Press but I was tempted by Chained Echoes and decided not to order it. The wait times on their games is monumental.

As I mentioned in the past I have three outstanding orders with Strictly Limited and I will never order another games from that company again.
If you thought Limited Run was bad a communication let me introduce you to the worst company Strictly Limited. I still have no idea when I will get Ray'z for Switch and what the production timeline is for Tiny Thor and Steel Empire Chronicles. And when people ask for updates we get nothing but we will have news soon. It's been four fucking months already and they have said nothing.

But please preorder Iron Meat which they have somehow already delivered to most customers. Like WTF!
 
It doesn't make LRG better that others are worse. They still suck balls at order fulfillment. Yes, I'll get my shit eventually when ordered from LRG, but that's a low lbar for them to meet and they barely do that. Even an in stock order takes far too long to ship. As good (by comparison) LRG is to those other companies I would never do business with, any purchase I make with LRG these days takes a lot more thought and consideration than anywhere else I'm willing to shop. More often than not it's not worth the hassle. Even series I love like Castlevania, I just opted to go digital. Others, I'll order from other places or wait for some future date when someone is selling a copy off on ebay. But most series they have had, I've come to terms with just not owning the physical version.

Also, there's nothing to suggest LRG won't get worse. They say every year how they are improving but they are so overloaded with skus that there's no chance real improvement will happen. It's a business about pushing out as much volume of stuff as they can get away with.
 
nightc1 said:
It doesn't make LRG better that others are worse. They still suck balls at order fulfillment. Yes, I'll get my shit eventually when ordered from LRG, but that's a low lbar for them to meet and they barely do that. Even an in stock order takes far too long to ship. As good (by comparison) LRG is to those other companies I would never do business with, any purchase I make with LRG these days takes a lot more thought and consideration than anywhere else I'm willing to shop. More often than not it's not worth the hassle. Even series I love like Castlevania, I just opted to go digital. Others, I'll order from other places or wait for some future date when someone is selling a copy off on ebay. But most series they have had, I've come to terms with just not owning the physical version.

Also, there's nothing to suggest LRG won't get worse. They say every year how they are improving but they are so overloaded with skus that there's no chance real improvement will happen. It's a business about pushing out as much volume of stuff as they can get away with.
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Definitely agree, it’s no excuse and I still haven’t put in an order with them for going on a year now (aside from already in stock stuff like the Persona 3/4 convention exclusives from back in August and the 2nd chance sale back in May). I’m not saying I’ll never order from them like First Press and Strictly Limited, I’m just not giving them 6 month to 1 year free loans anymore.

If I can’t grab it on VGP later, I didn’t need it in the first place. Even then, I’m sitting here with Pentiment and Turok 3 in my cart at VGP and still haven’t clicked checkout.
 
nightc1 said:
It doesn't make LRG better that others are worse. They still suck balls at order fulfillment. Yes, I'll get my shit eventually when ordered from LRG, but that's a low lbar for them to meet and they barely do that. Even an in stock order takes far too long to ship. As good (by comparison) LRG is to those other companies I would never do business with, any purchase I make with LRG these days takes a lot more thought and consideration than anywhere else I'm willing to shop. More often than not it's not worth the hassle. Even series I love like Castlevania, I just opted to go digital. Others, I'll order from other places or wait for some future date when someone is selling a copy off on ebay. But most series they have had, I've come to terms with just not owning the physical version.

Also, there's nothing to suggest LRG won't get worse. They say every year how they are improving but they are so overloaded with skus that there's no chance real improvement will happen. It's a business about pushing out as much volume of stuff as they can get away with.
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What I don't understand is you have not ordered anything from LRG in years but you always seem to have comments on how they are not any better. Let me tell you that they are 100% better than these other companies because I actually receive the games I order from them.

I don't buy their stupid collector's editions that take forever to receive and this year there production times on games has been absolutely improved.

I'm receiving my copies of Beyond Good and Evil and Shadow of the Damned remastered in a few months. I ordered these in August and they are set to arrive in November -3 Months. That is huge improvement in delivery time. I received Grandia HD and Contra OG in September and I order them in April so 5 months. So they have been hitting or improving on the 4-6 months lead time on standard releases.

Yes they have been TERRIBLE in the past but they are definitely improving lead times and I am still very selective of what I buy from them.

And I can also agree that the time it takes to ship in stock items is ridiculous but again I always receive my games.

I've been waiting two and half years for Ray'z Arcade for Switch. I've been waiting over a year for Steel Empire Chronicles and Tiny Thor from Strictly Limited with incredibly terrible communication to their customers.
 
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yesterday I finally got my last order from over a year from LRG now I will just get there games from VGP

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge Anniversary Edition Classic Edition (PS4)
Jurassic Park: Classic Games Collection Classic Edition (PS4)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fall of the Foot Clan Vinyl Soundtrack
 
flybrione said:
What I don't understand is you have not ordered anything from LRG in years
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My last order was back in May (yes 2024) during their big sale for Tiny Metal Ultimate. It was an in stock order and it still took ages to ship. But I kind of had to make peace with it even though it was a good reminder that sometimes the hassle of waiting isn't worth it. I could have just bought the game on ebay and paid a couple bucks more and it would have been in my hands in a bout a week. Plus there was some concern when people started getting games and they were hole punched copies that maybe that could happen. No other company would I have to really worry about a hole punch copy of a game being sold as new (well, Gamestop, but I don't buy from GS much anymore and definitely not online).

They still meet the bare minimum requirement that I'll get my shit eventually... which of course beats those companies that have failed to ship product years later. But, it's hard for me to overlook in 2024 that a company can't handle basic order fulfillment to where items in stock ship within a day like every other retailer and mom and pop shop. I also only order standard editions. I don't want extra crap, just games. I also know I couldn't weather the wait. I'm not sure a collectors version of any game really temps me unless it's like Fire Emblem Fates, where all three versions of the game were on a single cart. So I got it for the game, not the extras.
 
This is my first time ordering from LRG (apparently the addage I should be following is, "forget you ordered and be happy when it arrives"), and *as far as I know* my order of Lollipop Chainsaw, Beyond Good and Evil, and Tomba (all PS5 versions) should all be in stock or about to be based on pictures of people receiving either those very versions or other system's versions.

Basically what I'm trying to ask is, how random is it going to be waiting for them? I probably messed up by ordering three games in one package to save on the shipping.

Also, just wondering, are they very consistent about updating their website for shipped items? Just wondering if there's a chance I'll get all my games randomly.
 
Moses144 said:
This is my first time ordering from LRG (apparently the addage I should be following is, "forget you ordered and be happy when it arrives"), and *as far as I know* my order of Lollipop Chainsaw, Beyond Good and Evil, and Tomba (all PS5 versions) should all be in stock or about to be based on pictures of people receiving either those very versions or other system's versions.

Basically what I'm trying to ask is, how random is it going to be waiting for them? I probably messed up by ordering three games in one package to save on the shipping.

Also, just wondering, are they very consistent about updating their website for shipped items? Just wondering if there's a chance I'll get all my games randomly.
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You should receive a shipping notification via email when they print the label to pack and ship your items. After you receive that confirmation you should receive your games probably in about 7-10 days from when you receive the tracking information. They have been know to take a while for shipping after you receive the confirmation.

They also prioritize individual game shipments over group shipments. So the more games you have on order the longer you have to wait.

In stock orders on the other hand can take up to two - three weeks to receive. Their lead time for in stock orders has been something we have all been complaining about for years.
 
I have never bought from LRG but was super tempted to preorder the Castlevania Dominus collection. However, the overall impression I had about them was not good, so I didn't do it.

I really hope this is something that VGP might have in the future.
 
flybrione said:
What I don't understand is you have not ordered anything from LRG in years but you always seem to have comments on how they are not any better.
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It seems to vary wildly, but the "bigger" a title is the higher the likelihood they'll get it out fast. Persona, Shadows of the Damned, Lollipop Chainsaw, and Sonic all shipped on or around the time they expected to. But small stuff like Sam and Max fell into the ether and took over a year to produce a standard edition (I'm still not sure if it has actually shipped yet). And Collector's Editions are still a complete crapshoot for fulfillment timelines; it took them almost two full years to make a triangle box. But fulfillment timelines have always been one of many complaints people have with them.

There are still rampant issues with quality control, not waiting to get patches on disc/cart, exclusivity contracts, and unnecessarily limiting bigger releases (i.e. Lollipop Chainsaw was retail in other regions). They've been committing to things like "regular production updates" since 2021, and they can't even maintain their monthly "Digital Digest" without missing months (their last one was July as of now). And of course there was Limited Run Europe (coming 2023!), PayPal coming back "soon", the new rewards program, Bird King, the list goes on and on.

First Press is a scam. Warned Collectors was a scam. Limited Run is not a scam, but they are far from a good company.
 
pjgamer007 said:
I have never bought from LRG but was super tempted to preorder the Castlevania Dominus collection. However, the overall impression I had about them was not good, so I didn't do it.

I really hope this is something that VGP might have in the future.
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Well whether you buy from LRG or VGP just means you might not pay up front and get it soon after ordering. Otherwise LRG gets your money no matter what.
 
SephirothWF said:
Well whether you buy from LRG or VGP just means you might not pay up front and get it soon after ordering. Otherwise LRG gets your money no matter what.
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True, but we here all know LRG is a house of cards where preorders keep funding the prior ones. Eventually, when the preorder well drys up enough, it'll all come crumbling down. I have no interest in holding the hot potato at the end.
 
One area in that LRG has not improved is customer service. It has definitely gotten worse since Douglas left. I had some difficulty getting damaged games replaced. I had to push back a bit in order to get them replaced and then they acted like they were doing me a favor by making an exception. I hate it when people do that.

As for the above comment about LRG being a house of cards, I don't think that's really true. They have the funds on hand to produce the games as evidenced by using Purple Dot. LRG doesn't get their money until the orders are ready to be fulfilled. First Press and SLG on the other hand can be seen as a house of cards. They just don't have the money to produce more games unless something sells well. For First Press it's Chained Echoes and SLG it's Iron Meat.
 
Tothoro said:
And Collector's Editions are still a complete crapshoot for fulfillment timelines; it took them almost two full years to make a triangle box. But fulfillment timelines have always been one of many complaints people have with them.
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I still don't understand why anyone would buy their collector's editions in the first place. They are never worth it based on what is in the box and how long they take to produce. Everyone should know by now what you are getting into when you buy a collector's edition from them.

I'm just personally happy that production time on standard releases has seemed to improved. We've all waited a year or longer for some standard releases from them in the past and 4-6 months as of late is a huge improvement for the games that I have ordered from them recently. There are still many things to complain about but compared to the alternatives I still trust when I order from LRG I will receive the game I ordered. I don't have that same trust with other limited print companies anymore.
 
For a long time I thought that there was a risk of the house of cards scenario coming to pass too, but their profit margins are so high on everything that I've grown less and less sure of that over time. As much as I dislike the company, I have to admit they've put themselves in a pretty sustainable position.

If you look at the numbers, a physical game without "frills" like manuals costs $12-$15 to manufacture from the "big three" console manufacturers, fulfillment costs them cents per unit, and they are probably less generous on their dev split than they were in the old days when they were trying to establish themselves. On a standard edition at $35-$40 they're probably making $10-$15 and everything sells at least MOQ (whether through their site, VGP, Amazon, their retail store, in CEs, blowout sales, etc.).

MOQ for Switch is 5k, for PS4/PS5 it's 1k. If they sell two games for both platforms that's 12k units a week with a $10+ profit margin that's a guaranteed $120k a week. Most weeks it's probably much higher since that's not including merch, repros, games that sell big numbers like Persona or Castlevania, or the CEs where they will absolutely glut the profit margin with folded posters, CDs, and other cheap trinkets for a $50 upcharge.

In order for them to really be in trouble everyone would have to simultaneously vote with their wallets for a few months and when they're getting big licenses like Star Wars and Sonic I don't see that happening. The bigger risk IMO is Embracer continuing to contract and dumping them at some point.
 
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