Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

Welp, got through all of stages 3 & 4. I had a phantom guy literally running me through 4-2 killing everything in one or two hits. I just threw on my Ring of Avarice and followed him. Sad thing is that he died right before the boss when he got hit by one of those flying white things, he would've so gotten an S rating.

Would you guys recommend Thirst over Moving Soul Arrow? 30 Seconds of 50% exp for 200mp doesnt seem that great, but im sure if you combine with Avarice and the bracelet it would be quite nice in that Storm Ray area in 4-3. Of course, on NG+ I can only imagine combining it with soulsucker is amazing.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Moving soul arrow isn't that great. It's super easy to dodge.[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what Miralda did. Is there anything she's weak against?
 
She does this 2h swing that takes a while to recover from. You can circle strafe her after she does that move and hit her from behind for good damage.
 
I think I'll put this game away for a little while. I have Mercs 2, Godfather 2, and Marvel UA 2 coming this week (and MW2 next week) so a little break sounds good right now :)
 
Well, I wasted a bunch of time tonight for very little payoff (except a few levels gained). I did manage to get through 5-2 enough to open the shortcut which will come in handy later. It was tough getting through there with all those black phantom big club dudes during the black WT weekend.

However, I hosed myself in another place. I decided to push on from the 1-3 archstone and free these people I hear about in there. Plus, since world 1 is one where you need pure white to do something I want to be able to get to the primevil demon easily once I defeat Miralda. Well, you apparently need to open some gate to do this. The FAQ, as well as the guide, warn to get it open before you go to pure black as you get the two black phantom Fat Minister ambush in that narrow passage near the end.

So I was in body form after beating Maneater and suicided in world 1 since it was back to neutral. Now, it turned just a shade darker but clearly has much more to go to get to pure, or even 75%. However, after slogging through all the enemies and traps in 1-3 I got hit by the ambush and utterly annihilated. I tried it 2 more times and can't get past those bastards.

The FAQ says the following:

Take note of the spot the Red Eye Knight is at.
Noticed the passage there? This place look harmless.
But in Pure Black World Tendency, the moment you walk into it. 2 Black
Phantom Fat Ministers will materialize, 1 in front of you and 1 behind
you. You can imagine how nasty it will be right?
By opening the Large Gate, you don't have to get into this nasty
situation. Anyway, in case you are sandwiched in between them, hold
your shield up and slowly maneuvers around the Black Phantom Fat
Minister behind you. Once you get out of the passage. There are many
ways to deal with them.
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Now clearly, the info here and in the guide is wrong, as all it takes is for it to be slightly less than 50% for those guys to appear. However, I'm hoping that the other point is correct and I'll be able to get past one of them so I can take them out from afar. I tried to do that one time but it seemed like they were in the way plus they killed me so quickly it was hard to tell what I could do.

I'm getting good at running through the level up to that point (but there are a lot of enemies to take care of and you end up with about 10,000 souls). I only hope it is easy to open the gate after that. I guess I'll try it again tomorrow. If I can't get through then I don't know what I'll do - just wait till the WT changes randonly from being online I guess. How annoying... Those guys should not appear when you are just a notch below neutral.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']It's annoying that I sit around the beginning of 3-2 for 20 minutes and one soul sign pops up, and apparently this guy is waiting from a friend because he leaves as soon as I summon him (I get a lot of that).[/QUOTE]


I have yet to beat 3-2 and am probably lvl 70 now... can i work with you?

And are you trying to be a phantom or asking for help?

I am guessing since your on game+ this is all irrelevant however isn't it?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I have yet to beat 3-2 and am probably lvl 70 now... can i work with you?

And are you trying to be a phantom or asking for help?

I am guessing since your on game+ this is all irrelevant however isn't it?[/QUOTE]

I'm in the same boat, level 67 and haven't touched 3-2, 4-2, or 5. Waiting around for help via soul signs is painful.
 
I wish I could hit 4-2 with you. I know that one like the back of my hand. I dont believe I can if I have already beaten that level.

We can do 3-2 together but I have not played it at all so be warned.

You on tonight apollo?
 
Finally took the long way around plucking the red dragon (25 minutes of arrows with the compound bow). Need to go finish up 1-2 now and then on to 2-1. Think I'm SL23 or 24...finally decided to bump magic (Hunter) to 10 to get Soul Arrow. Anything else I should get before getting it on with either of those two bosses? Got a Battle Axe +2, Compound Bow +3, and Quality Scimitar +1. I'm guessing I should bring the purple shield with me for 2-1.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I wish I could hit 4-2 with you. I know that one like the back of my hand. I dont believe I can if I have already beaten that level.

We can do 3-2 together but I have not played it at all so be warned.

You on tonight apollo?[/QUOTE]

If you're in soul form you can do any level again. Hell, I've done the 1-3 boss at least 6 times in the past three days.

I've taken the day off work, so pick a time tonight (specify EST or PST), add me and we'll see you then, sir. Be warned ... I think almost everything is pure black WT.
 
[quote name='io']Well, I wasted a bunch of time tonight for very little payoff (except a few levels gained). I did manage to get through 5-2 enough to open the shortcut which will come in handy later. It was tough getting through there with all those black phantom big club dudes during the black WT weekend.[/QUOTE]Lol, it's not worth the effort killing them. I just put on thief's ring and ran past them into the fog.
Now clearly, the info here and in the guide is wrong, as all it takes is for it to be slightly less than 50% for those guys to appear. However, I'm hoping that the other point is correct and I'll be able to get past one of them so I can take them out from afar. I tried to do that one time but it seemed like they were in the way plus they killed me so quickly it was hard to tell what I could do.
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The guide is dead wrong unless it's suggesting you open the large gate BEFORE going pure black. The passage those two spawn in is the only way to that gate. Getting sandwiched between them is sure death.
 
I accomplished absolutely nothing yesterday. I didn't even gain a level. Stupid maneater. I think I'm going to try to go in there with warding and firestorm and see if I can tear him up with that. I'm going to have to wear that ring that give me an extra magic slot though to take fireball so I won't be useless to the normal enemies before him.

[quote name='Snake2715']I have yet to beat 3-2 and am probably lvl 70 now... can i work with you?

And are you trying to be a phantom or asking for help?

I am guessing since your on game+ this is all irrelevant however isn't it?[/QUOTE]

I'm 122, so we can't play together.

[quote name='Apollo Creed']If you're in soul form you can do any level again. Hell, I've done the 1-3 boss at least 6 times in the past three days.
[/QUOTE]
If you've beaten the level (yourself, not helping someone else beat it), you can't go back to it and help someone.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']If you've beaten the level (yourself, not helping someone else beat it), you can't go back to it and help someone.[/QUOTE]

That's messed up. Are you sure? I mean, I beat the 1-3 boss in my own game and have since gone back and dropped a blue soul sign and fought him 5 or 6 more times with others.
 
I know you can't get help from someone if you've already beaten the level, and I thought you also couldn't help someone too. But, I could be wrong, I guess.

Maneater is dead! I went in there in soul form with the monk's head wrappings and the ring of magical sharpness. He was dead from one firestorm.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Lol, it's not worth the effort killing them. I just put on thief's ring and ran past them into the fog.
The guide is dead wrong unless it's suggesting you open the large gate BEFORE going pure black. The passage those two spawn in is the only way to that gate. Getting sandwiched between them is sure death.[/QUOTE]

They both suggest doing it before you go to pure black, yes. But the problem is they show up WELL BEFORE pure black. It was neutral after the weekend event and I suicided once since I was in body form and wanted to work on world 1 WT events next. So it is just slightly darker than neutral, though well above pure black. Those dudes show up now. So, are you saying there's no way to get past them? I was hoping maybe I could get back past the first one and then fight them from afar. But maybe the dufus who wrote that FAQ is just guessing. The passage is very narrow and it might be impossible to get through there. So I guess my whole game is screwed since I can't even advance to the 1-3 boss now. Wonderful.

The thing is, in a sense, the black WT event weekend screwed me up because before that world 1 was near white, so suiciding there once would have still kept it above neutral. But after that weekend everything reset just to neutral (except for the one world I had back up to white - that stayed).

If anyone is around level 60 and needs help with the 2-2, 2-3, 3-2, or 5-1 bosses let me know. I guess all I can do is churn out levels until I can hope, somehow, to beat those two guys. I can also try to make my way through 4-2 and 5-2, now, I guess. Maybe by that time the WT will change since I'm online. It did seem like the worlds trend towards white over time if you play online (as I got some of the white WT events done without even trying on a few of the worlds).
 
[quote name='io']They both suggest doing it before you go to pure black, yes. But the problem is they show up WELL BEFORE pure black. It was neutral after the weekend event and I suicided once since I was in body form and wanted to work on world 1 WT events next. So it is just slightly darker than neutral, though well above pure black. Those dudes show up now. So, are you saying there's no way to get past them? I was hoping maybe I could get back past the first one and then fight them from afar. But maybe the dufus who wrote that FAQ is just guessing. The passage is very narrow and it might be impossible to get through there. So I guess my whole game is screwed since I can't even advance to the 1-3 boss now. Wonderful.[/QUOTE]
If they only trigger once you're in the middle of that passage, then there's no way you can do it alone without a lot of luck and skill. Those dudes can one shot you with even one fireball, so I can't imagine being able to kill one without getting shot in the back.

Funny story, but I didn't even know those two existed until IHari wanted help killing Penetrator. I was trucking along just killing everything in the way like I've always done when they spawned on us and I got shot in the back because I didn't even see the second one. Then I get a message, 'why didn't you just go through the main gate to the boss?' I had figured he needed the stage cleared up to the boss as well. Now he tells me lol.
 
Bah, so no one has gotten past them successfully? It can't have been meant to be impossible because it is game-breaking if so.
 
io: Have you tried using the graverobbers ring, so they can't see you until you get close and casting poison cloud from a distance? I haven't fought these BPs so I don't know how it works.
 
Where do you get poison cloud? This sounds like a great spell to use. Perhaps I could grind out some souls and get this then go after Miralda again.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Lol, it's not worth the effort killing them. I just put on thief's ring and ran past them into the fog.
The guide is dead wrong unless it's suggesting you open the large gate BEFORE going pure black. The passage those two spawn in is the only way to that gate. Getting sandwiched between them is sure death.[/QUOTE]

I'd trust Jodou on his 1-3 advice...he now has firsthand experience...:bouncy:
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']You can go to any level, you know...[/QUOTE]

But at level 35 (last I checked) I doubt I could take on the things in 5-1...
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']io: Have you tried using the graverobbers ring, so they can't see you until you get close and casting poison cloud from a distance? I haven't fought these BPs so I don't know how it works.[/QUOTE]

That's what I would do if I can get past one of them. The problem is they materialize on either side of you within a narrow passage. So I need a method to get away from them first. They are WAY too close to avoid initially with the ring. One appears right in front of you and the other about 6-8 steps behind you.

[quote name='IRHari']I'd trust Jodou on his 1-3 advice...he now has firsthand experience...:bouncy:[/QUOTE]

Well, it seems like he doesn't have too much experience with them (he said he didn't even know they were there until he joined your game). so I'm hoping he's wrong in this one case because then that means the game is broken. There is no way to whiten the WT without killing a boss and I can't get to the next boss on 1-3 unless I get past there. It is sure death if you stumble upon them by accident as you have no idea what is even happening at first. But I'm hoping there's some sort of preparation/tactic I can use on them.

[quote name='SynGamer']But at level 35 (last I checked) I doubt I could take on the things in 5-1...[/QUOTE]

You can go through 5-1 at that level. 5-2 is the hard one. I think I did 5-1 around then though as a very underpowered (in terms of strength) Royal. You can use soul arrow and the spear/shield combo to deal with most of the enemies. The only tough ones are the bigger versions with clubs. They took me out a few times but you can always peg them with arrows and then run. It is time consuming but works. Then for the boss make sure you have a TON of arrows, get the sticky bow upgraded as much as possible (farm spiderstones in 2-2 if necessary) and upgrade your strength. You can take him down from above with arrows but you have to be able to counteract his constant healing.
 
I'm saying, now he has experience with them lol.

It's really unfortunate that there isn't a better way to communicate. It takes like 5 seconds to bring up the emote menu and most people arent even looking. I knew my WT was pure black, and I remembered the 2 BP were going to spawn. I stayed back knowing Jodou would trigger them and I managed to distract the one, but I think the other one caught him off-guard. He clearly didn't see the huge gate open, but he was on a roll going through the level so I figured he wouldn't have a huge problem. Had NO idea the two fat officials are uber powerful.

Sorry again Jodou, lol.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']There are lots of ways to whiten WT.[/QUOTE]

Please share then.

I can't get to the next boss, so that's out.

I can't get to the primevil demon because it is past here (and I'm not even in pure black anyway though I could make it so easily enough).

I suppose I could get to pure black and fight Miralda and that might whiten it enough to go back up past 50%, but I'm not even sure of that. But that will screw up my white WT events (where you want to kill Miralda and then the primevil demon without going back to the Nexus in between to get it near pure white). And like I said, I'm not even sure killing Miralda will be enough to raise it to 50% or above (OK, looking at the guide that will probably work but I don't want to go that route unless absolutely necessary).
 
You need to be in body form, but killing black phantoms (other players) increases your WT. If you have the resurrection spell, you can summon phantoms and resurrect them. You can be a phantom, and I think if you survive all the way to the end, it increases your WT.
 
5-1 is a piece of garbage, but it has little to do with enemies. Most are push overs. There are a few giant guys who can be a pain due to the cramped nature of the stage. And make sure you have something that can cure plague, just in case.

I just got done with 5-1 in my + game. I was cursing it's name. But it is more about patience and maneuvering than awesome enemies.
 
kickapole: I don't think you know what you're talking about. You can't go back to a level that's you've already beaten and lay a blue stone down. I just tried it and it didn't let me.

I have 1-3, 1-4, 5-2 and 5-3 to do. 5-2 is such a pain though...
 
Yeah, definitely can't blue stone a level you have beaten.

I am not looking forward to doing 5-2 again at all. Still have to do black WT things in there too... probably will lay that bridge down first.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']
I am not looking forward to doing 5-2 again at all. Still have to do black WT things in there too... probably will lay that bridge down first.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I need to do black and white WT stuff in 5-2. I have no idea how I'm going to do it.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']You need to be in body form, but killing black phantoms (other players) increases your WT. If you have the resurrection spell, you can summon phantoms and resurrect them. You can be a phantom, and I think if you survive all the way to the end, it increases your WT.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I forgot about the whole game invasion thing. Well, I don't play in body form ever and don't really want to deal with beating invading players so that's out. I could help in soul form maybe on 1-3, though I don't know the boss so I wouldn't be too sure what to do. I tried helping on 1-2 a while back but I think I'm too high a level for anyone to summon me there.

[quote name='ChibiJosh']kickapole: I don't think you know what you're talking about. You can't go back to a level that's you've already beaten and lay a blue stone down. I just tried it and it didn't let me.
[/QUOTE]

I don't get it. The only times I've helped other people are on bosses I've already fought. I sort of thought that was the point. I just lay the blue stones down right outside where the fog would be in their game (obviously it is gone in mine) and wait. I got in pretty quick on Flamelurker and Adjuticator, but sat there forever waiting on the Spider and 1-2 boss (because as someone else pointed out earlier I was probably too high a level for anyone summoning at those places). I may try to go back and help with Maneater, and I could try the 1-2 boss again to see if beating that helps my WT. Or I could try helping out with the clearing of 1-3 like Jodou did for IRHari. I certainly know my way through that level up to the point of the dual black phantom fat officials/ministers (whatever they are). Problem is, beyond there I have no idea what's in store and don't want to mess up someone's Ostrava saving or 1-3 boss.

[quote name='Saint Noir']
I am not looking forward to doing 5-2 again at all. Still have to do black WT things in there too... probably will lay that bridge down first.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I felt like I had to make some real progress so I slogged through that level yet again and got the bridge down at least. The odd thing was that where I always died before was NOT on the big club dudes (which, Jodou, I did run past many times after fighting them the first time) but in the encampment area. One time that purple glowing guy got me with some spell I didn't even realized he had cast at me until all of a sudden I fell over dead. So watch out for those and try to take them out with arrows from afar.

I suppose I could try the black WT stuff there, but that means black phantom big dudes... Ugh... I suppose the ones in the swamp are much easier to deal with from the encampment side than from the other side where it is wide open so now that I have that bridge down I can try it that way at least.

Problem is, can you then get up onto the bridges from where you can shoot Selen Vinland (or whatever her name is) from that end, or do you need to go the original way to get up there? Ah, looking at the guide it does seem you have to go the regular way - the bridge is just a shortcut if you die afterwards to get back to the primevil demon.
 
OK, so apparently I don't even need to do anything in white tendency in 1-1 anyway so killing the primevil demon is not absolutely necessary. It seems all you do there is meet and kill normal Miralda, which will lower your CT. But I don't think the item she drops (some armor) is essential, so I can just pass on that. That means I could make 1-1 pure black and fight black phantom Miralda. The problem is that the wiki says that only gives you a +3 in WT, which is just under neutral or just about where I am right now :bomb:. It might be enough to get rid of those ambushing phantoms, but I'm not sure.

I guess I will try them one more time tonight and try to back my way out behind the first one. I'm sure it will be an epic fail though.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']kickapole: I don't think you know what you're talking about. You can't go back to a level that's you've already beaten and lay a blue stone down. I just tried it and it didn't let me.

I have 1-3, 1-4, 5-2 and 5-3 to do. 5-2 is such a pain though...[/QUOTE]

/shrugs

I dunno, man. Generally every time I want to go back to body form, I head to a bosses arch stone, back up to where a player would enter the fog to fight him and lay the stone.

Could it be a soul level thing? I seriously have no idea. I helped beat Penetrator twice tonight in soul form to add to the half dozen times over the weekend.

Finished off a productive night. 4-2, 5-1 and 5-2 bosses are done. I was pissed when my router decided to quit midway through the 4-2 boss. If I'm in the midst of a boss battle, why must the game care if I lose my internet connection briefly. :bomb:
 
I love this game, so much. I what somewhat excited about the game before it launched, but the pre-release media made it feel like sort of a budget title. I jumped on picking it up on launch, as a sort of leap of faith. I can't say I was disappointed. What a great action-RPG.

But I'll be damned if it isn't so intimidating that it scares me out of playing. There's so much stuff to worry about, with the world tendency, black phantoms and so forth.

Any skilled players want to gather around in a text chat, on PSN? I could use a few pointers (and co-op partners) before going forward.
 
[quote name='Apollo Creed']/shrugs

I dunno, man. Generally every time I want to go back to body form, I head to a bosses arch stone, back up to where a player would enter the fog to fight him and lay the stone.

Could it be a soul level thing? I seriously have no idea. I helped beat Penetrator twice tonight in soul form to add to the half dozen times over the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I've done the same thing a few times myself. But if only I could get to the stupid Penetrator boss :bomb:. I'll try it again tonight on Maneater as my sons wanted to see me beat that and I did it while they were asleep.
 
You can be summoned, but can't summon. And you haven't really "beaten" a stage until the archdemon is felled. Also, you can't lay a stone down no matter what too close to an archstone.
 
Any people trading items or trophies here? I'm at the end of my NG+ run (SL 122) and need a couple rings (and would like to hold cloud/marrow/suckerstone items for trophies). I've got every unique weapon and Crushing/Dragon/Moon/Blessed/Sticky+5 that I can offer just for trophies. I can also offer advice/help as needed, albeit limited to what I've experienced as a hybrid melee/magic build.

To add to the conversation, Flamelurker was my key to human form in my first playthrough. I must have killed that boss 50 times. You can redo any level you like as long as there's someone in your level range that wants a phantom helper.

Edit: Chibi is completely wrong about WT. Killing invading BPs only raises your CT. Resurrecting blue phantoms with the miracle has no effect on WT or CT. It's killing named NPC BPs that affects WT. And io, you may want to try to get a Meat Cleaver/Dragon Bone Smasher to knock one down and get past it. At least, I think they can be knocked down. Otherwise, general strat seems to be to get around the one that spawns behind you. I wouldn't know myself, halloween pushed me to PBWT when I had 1-3 beaten so I was able to get to the primeval demon using the shortcut. I also recommend a Purple Flame Shield to block their spells as necessary.
 
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[quote name='Saint Noir']You can be summoned, but can't summon. [/QUOTE]
[quote name='AkariK']To add to the conversation, Flamelurker was my key to human form in my first playthrough. I must have killed that boss 50 times. You can redo any level you like as long as there's someone in your level range that wants a phantom helper.[/QUOTE]


That's what I've been trying to say. :bomb:

Chibi, you've officially got a target on your back tomorrow night in FP for making me think I was going crazy. :lol:
 
[quote name='Apollo Creed']That's what I've been trying to say. :bomb:

Chibi, you've officially got a target on your back tomorrow night in FP for making me think I was going crazy. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I will let this evidence show that it was Saint Noir who originally put that idea into my head.

[quote name='Snake2715']I am in soul form and trying to lay a blue eye stone to help.. it wont let me... Am I doing it wrong? its on a level I have already passed.

maybe no living players are playing that section now? So it wont let me waste it.

Well just took out flame lurker.... not too bad.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='ChibiJosh']Well, you can't waste it since it has infinite uses. I know you can't summon players on a level you've already beat so maybe you can't be a phantom on a level you've already beat either.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Saint Noir']Yeah, this is correct.[/QUOTE]

;) But, still I could not put a stone down on 3-3, no matter where I tried to put it.
 
[quote name='AkariK']

Edit: Chibi is completely wrong about WT. Killing invading BPs only raises your CT. Resurrecting blue phantoms with the miracle has no effect on WT or CT. It's killing named NPC BPs that affects WT.[/QUOTE]
Killing a named BP adds 9 to your WT score. Killing a Multiplayer BP adds 3 to your WT score and resurrecting a player adds 3 to your BP score. (all of these also change your CT)
It's from the collector's edition guide.

[quote name='AkariK']Any people trading items or trophies here? I'm at the end of my NG+ run (SL 122) and need a couple rings (and would like to hold cloud/marrow/suckerstone items for trophies). I've got every unique weapon and Crushing/Dragon/Moon/Blessed/Sticky+5 that I can offer just for trophies. I can also offer advice/help as needed, albeit limited to what I've experienced as a hybrid melee/magic build.[/QUOTE]

I have cloud, marrow and sucker stone. But, I don't know if I want to give them to you. ;)
Just kidding.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh'];) But, still I could not put a stone down on 3-3, no matter where I tried to put it.[/QUOTE]

Try again. You can't place it in the large square area right after the archstone. You CAN place it in the small square directly in front of the stairwell (right before the fog gate). I have helped 5-6 people kill old monk in ng+ this way while trying to get human.

Edit: By BP score, you mean CT? I killed one person as the old monk, which dropped my CT from pure white to white. I then resurrected 2 blue phantoms and was not restored to pure white. I think I have proof that resurrection does nothing.
 
[quote name='AkariK']Try again. You can't place it in the large square area right after the archstone. You CAN place it in the small square directly in front of the stairwell (right before the fog gate). I have helped 5-6 people kill old monk in ng+ this way while trying to get human.[/QUOTE]

I helped someone directly before killing the old monk. I tried placing it right before the fog area (after killing the gecko), I tried placing it on the stairs. I tried placing it right inside the room before the stairs start. Nothing worked. But, I was able to go back to 5-1 and fight the boss again. So, I don't know.
[quote name='AkariK']

Edit: By BP score, you mean CT? I killed one person as the old monk, which dropped my CT from pure white to white. I then resurrected 2 blue phantoms and was not restored to pure white. I think I have proof that resurrection does nothing.[/QUOTE]

We're talking about WT not CT. Killing a person as a BP drops your CT by 4 and reviving someone ups your CT 0.5. You need to revive a lot more than 2 people.
 
I did notice that on 4-1, I could lay down a blue stone before the first archway, but if I tried to put it down after the archway, it would give me some message and disappear.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I will let this evidence show that it was Saint Noir who originally put that idea into my head.[/QUOTE]

A simple "I'm sorry, kickapole" and perhaps an offer of cake would have sufficed, but Oh no, you had to pass the blame. ;)
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']You can be summoned, but can't summon. And you haven't really "beaten" a stage until the archdemon is felled. Also, you can't lay a stone down no matter what too close to an archstone.[/QUOTE]

Ah, well, see, I was taking about being summoned. I've never summoned nor would I since I've played the whole game in soul form. And besides, why would you need to summon once you've beaten a stage?

I have noticed that if you run from before the fog area into the boss area while your stone is down (but before you are summoned) it gets picked up - but that's simply because you are going from one section to the next (like 2-2 to 2-3).

[quote name='AkariK']And io, you may want to try to get a Meat Cleaver/Dragon Bone Smasher to knock one down and get past it. At least, I think they can be knocked down. Otherwise, general strat seems to be to get around the one that spawns behind you. I wouldn't know myself, halloween pushed me to PBWT when I had 1-3 beaten so I was able to get to the primeval demon using the shortcut. I also recommend a Purple Flame Shield to block their spells as necessary.[/QUOTE]

No dice on the Meat Cleaver. I went to make that and realized I didn't have the Swollen Demon's soul any more. I'm assuming, then, that I used it to get Regeneration from Urbain though I don't remember doing that. I certainly have never used it :cry:.

But I do have the Dragon Bone Smasher I believe. And I did go in there with the purple flame shield. The problem is you get hit simultaneously from the front and back. I went in last night and tried Rage of God, but the front one hit me while I was casting and that was the end of me.

I tried getting past the one in front and that doesnt work - but yeah, something I read said to try getting back past the one behind you so I will try that tonight. It says to go slowly. I don't buy that, though, because they will just pound on you. I may try rolling quickly that way and see if I can slip by. I had enough trouble with the non-phantom one down there by Biorr's cell. TWO black phantom ones is a bit overwhelming, but if I can get away from them I'm sure I can take them out (since they will still be in the way) using the graverobber ring and associated tactics.
 
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