Heroes, Volume 5: Redemption - Season 4 airs Mondays at 8pm, starting Fall 2009

That's assuming they had Tattoo-lady at the start though. It just seems that they've been playing up the family and community angles so heavily that it makes you think they've been together for a lot longer than eight weeks. I mean, why would the near-dead Time Traveller just up and leave to join the circus? Not to mention, a number of the powered carnies were at Joseph's funeral, so you'd assume they were fairly close.

Just seems like early in the season, the carnival was a place for any Hero to hang out at, and has been as such for a long long time, which would heavily contradict stuff that's been said/shown in recent episodes.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']That's assuming they had Tattoo-lady at the start though. It just seems that they've been playing up the family and community angles so heavily that it makes you think they've been together for a lot longer than eight weeks. I mean, why would the near-dead Time Traveller just up and leave to join the circus? Not to mention, a number of the powered carnies were at Joseph's funeral, so you'd assume they were fairly close.

Just seems like early in the season, the carnival was a place for any Hero to hang out at, and has been as such for a long long time, which would heavily contradict stuff that's been said/shown in recent episodes.[/QUOTE]

Throw out all logic when watching this show honestly. If you try to think logically with Heroes your head will probably explode.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Just started last nights episode, but Peter should've borrowed the Haitian's power long ago.[/QUOTE]

Really he could have stopped so many things from happening.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Really he could have stopped so many things from happening.[/QUOTE]

Very true. Very surprised that the writers didn't have him use it sooner. The best scene of the series in a while was the fight scene in this episode. No powers, just balls...and a nail gun.
 
Peter taking haitans power was awesome. That scene and nathan falling to his death and while falling seeing sylar smile was great. The show is awesome yet again. Who does samuel want tho? Im thinking peter. Who else is close to claire anymore? They already got HRGs files so hes useless to them and nathan is dead.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Peter taking haitans power was awesome. That scene and nathan falling to his death and while falling seeing sylar smile was great. The show is awesome yet again. Who does samuel want tho? Im thinking peter. Who else is close to claire anymore? They already got HRGs files so hes useless to them and nathan is dead.[/QUOTE]

It's getting there. Hopefully it gets a full season extension. I think Peter as the Haitian is badass, which means next episode, which is surprisingly only a month away, he will steal someone like the deaf girls power. Though the multiplier guy's would be fine.

That fall was pretty cool. Thought I saw him transforming as he fell further from Peter. I was like Sylar is coming out of the shell now. Too bad for Nathan, though I think Peter becomes more of a badass now without him.

Samuel wants either Sylar or Peter as best I can tell. Any empath would do him good. Unless of course he wants Claire's roommate for her unknown ability, I mean what good is a character without abilities, right Mohinder? Claire's mom, even though she is on glee (see Charlie), could be alive. Watch her have an illegitimate brother or something.
 
You guys really liked the "fall" scene? Really? The whole thing was completely pointless! Nathan falls, Sylar gets up and walks off. Why did he even throw himself off the building?! Why did Peter try to keep him from falling?! So fucking stupid... This show is so fucking stupid...
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']You guys really liked the "fall" scene? Really? The whole thing was completely pointless! Nathan falls, Sylar gets up and walks off. Why did he even throw himself off the building?! Why did Peter try to keep him from falling?! So fucking stupid... This show is so fucking stupid...[/QUOTE]

Not shitting on you, but why do you continue to watch this show, if you're only going to shit on it? I'm sure you've answered this numerous times by now, but just curious. That is all.

Throw out all logic to start. I like how he changed and just got up and walked away. It's point was no matter how much he tried, Peter couldn't avoid the inevitability of Sylar's return. The damn Petrelli genes prevented common sense from entering either of their minds. Though nothing either of them, aside from possibly decapitation, would have worked in an attempt to keep Sylar from returning.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Not shitting on you, but why do you continue to watch this show, if you're only going to shit on it? I'm sure you've answered this numerous times by now, but just curious. That is all.[/QUOTE]

Oh, it's a fair question. My friends and I have started having get-togethers solely to rip on the show, actually, which keeps things entertaining. It's like the Twilight of TV shows - so freaking awful, but ever so much fun to make fun of.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Oh, it's a fair question. My friends and I have started having get-togethers solely to rip on the show, actually, which keeps things entertaining. It's like the Twilight of TV shows - so freaking awful, but ever so much fun to make fun of.[/QUOTE]

It's the classic case of "I don't get it, but let's make fun of it!"

Do you and your friends do it with Dora the Explorer, too? LOL
 
[quote name='kilm']It's the classic case of "I don't get it, but let's make fun of it!"

Do you and your friends do it with Dora the Explorer, too? LOL[/QUOTE]

Oh, I get it - it just happens to be shit. And the writing on Dora is far superior to Heroes, so that's not a very fair comparison. Dora's characters are more believable, too.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']You guys really liked the "fall" scene? Really? The whole thing was completely pointless! Nathan falls, Sylar gets up and walks off. Why did he even throw himself off the building?! Why did Peter try to keep him from falling?! So fucking stupid... This show is so fucking stupid...[/QUOTE]

It seems like you're so committed to hating this show that you've failed to notice that the characterization actually does make sense from time to time. Though it's melodramatic, their motivations in that scene are fairly obvious: Nathan wants to kill Sylar, Peter doesn't want Nathan to die.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Oh, I get it - it just happens to be shit. And the writing on Dora is far superior to Heroes, so that's not a very fair comparison. Dora's characters are more believable, too.[/QUOTE]

LOL OKKKKKKKKKKKKkk

It's the classic case of "I don't get it, so let's make fun of it because must be shit"
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']You guys really liked the "fall" scene? Really? The whole thing was completely pointless! Nathan falls, Sylar gets up and walks off. Why did he even throw himself off the building?! Why did Peter try to keep him from falling?! So fucking stupid... This show is so fucking stupid...[/QUOTE]

I'm going to (begrudgingly) agree with Kirin. The "fall" scene was a joke. Sylar getting up shit in the face of any emotion that scene hoped to have.
 
[quote name='Magus8472']It seems like you're so committed to hating this show that you've failed to notice that the characterization actually does make sense from time to time. Though it's melodramatic, their motivations in that scene are fairly obvious: Nathan wants to kill Sylar, Peter doesn't want Nathan to die.[/QUOTE]

It should have been painfully obvious to both siblings that the fall wasn't going to kill Sylar, making the "sacrifice" completely worthless. Of course Peter doesn't want to lose Nathan, but none of that long-winded angst accomplished anything. And the extreme slow-motion, followed by Sylar looking up and waving before casually walking off were hilarious enough to only further ruin whatever dumb melodrama the directors were trying to accomplish. I think one of the most amusing thing about Heroes is that it treats everything so seriously that it leads to unintentionally ridiculous moments like this on a regular basis.

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[quote name='ChibiJosh']I'm going to (begrudgingly) agree with Kirin. The "fall" scene was a joke. Sylar getting up shit in the face of any emotion that scene hoped to have.[/QUOTE]

Yes! Exactly! Thank you!
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I'm going to (begrudgingly) agree with Kirin. The "fall" scene was a joke. Sylar getting up shit in the face of any emotion that scene hoped to have.[/QUOTE]

The writers need Sylar way too much to ever even flirt with killing him off. His predictable return to psycho-killer-ness anchors every season arc.

[quote name='Kirin Lemon']It should have been painfully obvious to both siblings that the fall wasn't going to kill Sylar, making the "sacrifice" completely worthless. Of course Peter doesn't want to lose Nathan, but none of that long-winded angst accomplished anything. And the extreme slow-motion, followed by Sylar looking up and waving before casually walking off were hilarious enough to only further ruin whatever dumb melodrama the directors were trying to accomplish. I think one of the most amusing thing about Heroes is that it treats everything so seriously that it leads to unintentionally ridiculous moments like this on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]

Oh, the melodrama is certainly ridiculous, but I just don't see anything about the characterization that's inconsistent unless you're for some reason expecting everyone to act entirely rationally and make logical use of their abilities all of the time. Were that the case, no story involving superheroes would ever work.

Hell, if these characters effectively used their own abilities Nathan wouldn't be dead and none of this would be a problem.
 
You guys think nathan threw himself off the building to kill sylar? You are joking, right? I saw it as nathan committing suicide to tell his brain its over so he can give up fighting sylar inside. I think peter knew sylar would pop back up and so did nathan, but nathan couldnt fight it anymore and didnt want to, he just wanted to end it.
 
Next time Sylar tries to steal someone's brain, just yell at the tv "Syler no swipey!"



Awww mannn.

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This show is like a car accident - you can't look away. "Oh hi Doyle, I know you kidnapped me and my mom and tried killing us and all but we're at the circus! Wanna hug it out?" LOL!!
 
[quote name='javeryh']This show is like a car accident - you can't look away. "Oh hi Doyle, I know you kidnapped me and my mom and tried killing us and all but we're at the circus! Wanna hug it out?" LOL!![/QUOTE]

He "changed" last season. Was tired of running or something like that.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']He "changed" last season. Was tired of running or something like that.[/QUOTE]

I can accept that people change or that Doyle has found Jesus or turned over new leaf or whatever but I'm pretty sure an 18 year old girl that he kidnapped and traumatized would not be hugging him any time soon. People just don't behave like that. I can suspend disbelief for the entire premise of the show (which is great by the way) but the characters need to interact in a believable manner within that premise for the show to have any credibility. Heroes fails on every level here.

I still watch it though and I still kind of enjoy it for some strange reason - I guess it's good TV but terrible storytelling... so it's like a lot of other crappy shows I watch. Either way, it's fun to talk about it and fun to make fun of it. So what's the deal with Claire's roommate? Were they hinting that she has an unknown power? Samuel was blabbing about someone being important and the camera really focused on what's her name driving away...
 
[quote name='javeryh']I can accept that people change or that Doyle has found Jesus or turned over new leaf or whatever but I'm pretty sure an 18 year old girl that he kidnapped and traumatized would not be hugging him any time soon. People just don't behave like that. I can suspend disbelief for the entire premise of the show (which is great by the way) but the characters need to interact in a believable manner within that premise for the show to have any credibility. Heroes fails on every level here.

I still watch it though and I still kind of enjoy it for some strange reason - I guess it's good TV but terrible storytelling... so it's like a lot of other crappy shows I watch. Either way, it's fun to talk about it and fun to make fun of it. So what's the deal with Claire's roommate? Were they hinting that she has an unknown power? Samuel was blabbing about someone being important and the camera really focused on what's her name driving away...[/QUOTE]

When looking at it like that, then I understand.

I really hope they do something mindblowing with Samuel, but I feel a let down coming on soon.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']When looking at it like that, then I understand.

I really hope they do something mindblowing with Samuel, but I feel a let down coming on soon.[/QUOTE]

I still have no idea where they are headed with this. Did someone slip Samuel a DVD of the first X-Men movie? Is he trying to gather all of the mutants so they could try and become the dominant "species" or something? I get that his power increases the more mutants that surround him but what is his power exactly other than moving the earth? Does he in fact have control over everything since everything comes from the Earth in one way or another? What is his endgame? World domination? LOL! He could really use Molly's help in locating other mutants - too bad the writers forgot about her as well as Parkman and Mohinder.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I still have no idea where they are headed with this. Did someone slip Samuel a DVD of the first X-Men movie? Is he trying to gather all of the mutants so they could try and become the dominant "species" or something? I get that his power increases the more mutants that surround him but what is his power exactly other than moving the earth? Does he in fact have control over everything since everything comes from the Earth in one way or another? What is his endgame? World domination? LOL! He could really use Molly's help in locating other mutants - too bad the writers forgot about her as well as Parkman and Mohinder.[/QUOTE]

The Haitian is the perfect lazy writers tool. "So guys, what happened to Molly, crazy mimic chick, and Peter's lady friend from Season 2? And why doesn't anyone remember them" . "Duh dude, we totally Haitian-ed them after the fact" "Score!"

If he truly has an agenda of amassing them for an army, I hope it's done right. Hopefully lightning quick guy comes back with people to help stop Samuel. Or Peter shows up with the Haitian's ability. I wonder if that would negate all of the power Samuel has amassed or not.
 
Re: the Fall scene, the moment lost all emotional impact when you realize that a fall like that ain't killing anyone with a Regen factor. Claire's fallen from much higher and walked away no problem. Even if it was Nathan trying to kill Sylar, Sylar tricking Peter to escape, or whatever, you knew they were blubbering about nothing.

As far as Samuel is concerned, I still can't really get over how his Brother decided to keep him away from all other mutants by establishing a carnival staffed almost exclusively with mutants. I have no problem throwing away some logic when watching the show, but a plot hole like that is just too huge to ignore.

I like some of what they're trying to do with the series...removing some of the more worthless characters to focus stories on a select few was a definite win in my book (no one really likes Ando anyways), I just wish the stories they have had the same surprises and force from season one.
 
You guys forgot that claire and her mom helped out doyle to get a new ID and get away from the government? You guys forget major things that happen on the show, then say "OMG PLOT HOLE" over and over. Its ridiculous how much you can hate something.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']You guys forgot that claire and her mom helped out doyle to get a new ID and get away from the government? You guys forget major things that happen on the show, then say "OMG PLOT HOLE" over and over. Its ridiculous how much you can hate something.[/QUOTE]

No, it's ridiculous that they would help him at all in the first place. Even if I could get past that it is 1,000 times more ridiculous to be dishing out hugs to the guy even though he did do the whole lean-in thing... but maybe she didn't want to be rude... either way I'm pretty sure she's not going to want to hug him unless.... he was using his power to force her to go in for the hug!!! If you think about it long enough you can make sense of anything!!! Oh the subtlety!! The writers are freaking brilliant!!!

Also, no one said they hated the show (well, I didn't at least). It is horribly written but fun to watch and even more fun to make fun of. I hope it runs for 5+ more seasons.
 
[quote name='javeryh']He could really use Molly's help in locating other mutants - too bad the writers forgot about her as well as Parkman and Mohinder.[/QUOTE]

The graphic novel supplements deal with Molly and the rest of the Heroes B-Team quite a bit.
 
Will you people stop complaining! It's never going to be as great as the first season. Either stop watching or just accept it for what it is now. And be thankful we dont have Micah and Claire bear references all of the time.


What happened with Claire's brother? He didn't show up for Thanksgiving.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']
Throw out all logic to start. I like how he changed and just got up and walked away. It's point was no matter how much he tried, Peter couldn't avoid the inevitability of Sylar's return. The damn Petrelli genes prevented common sense from entering either of their minds. Though nothing either of them, aside from possibly decapitation, would have worked in an attempt to keep Sylar from returning.[/QUOTE]

Agreed on both. Have to throw out logic with this show and just treat it like a cheezy B-movie.

And I liked the scene for that reason. Just showed the futility of Peter and Nathan thinking there was anything they could do to stop Sylar from returning.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']

What happened with Claire's brother? He didn't show up for Thanksgiving.[/QUOTE]


Claire asked Noah if he was coming and he said they he couldn't make it for some reason (school, a performance or something like that).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']just treat it like a cheezy B-movie.[/QUOTE]
exactly... i wasn't quite sure how to word "don't take it so seriously" but that's perfect, heroes is B-movie television, and quite fun for what it is.
 
[quote name='Koggit']exactly... i wasn't quite sure how to word "don't take it so seriously" but that's perfect, heroes is B-movie television, and quite fun for what it is.[/QUOTE]


and it has T Bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='coolsteel']I take it nobody remembered to watch tonight? I forgot it was coming back so damn early in the year[/QUOTE]

fuck. Guess I'll be looking for a torrent this weekend. Thanks for the reminder.
 
Maybe if they had gotten this far earlier in the season, Id still be excited and enough of a fan to still blindly stick up for it.

Last night was good.
 
Just finished watching this on Hulu...

Word of advice - if you plan on watching it on Hulu, make sure you watch them in the right order. Both are labelled "Episode 13", but "upon this rock" comes before "let it bleed", even though the Air Date order makes it look the opposite. Really confused the hell out of me.

In terms of my impressions...
Did they really have to fark around with Hiro's brain some more? Crimeny. First he has the brain of a ten year old, now his brain can only make links to assorted pop culture references...

So, Samuel's looking to establish a safe haven for mutants. Samuel draws power from being in close proximity to mutants. That's been established for awhile now. What's his plan going to be once the haven is complete? Create his own version of Asteroid M? He's plotting to get all this power, and I just wish they'd start explaining what he plans on doing with it when he gets it. Or maybe he just has a case of "dog chasing a car." He knows he wants it, but doesn't know what to do with it when he gets it.

I also don't really get how Dr. Lady's power evolved from "Seeing Sounds and breaking stuff with Sounds" to "being able to lure people in with sounds." Are they just going to give her complete mastery over all audio at some point?
 
Just finished watching all 2 hours and was really impressed. They are going at such a good direction.
As soon as the tatoo finished for sylar, i knew it was going to be claire, it was all too easy to predict from the season 2 episode where sylar and his kid are living in claires old house and the kid calls peter uncle.

I agree with the comment about Hiro, they need to get that storyline moving and the preview for next weeks episode looks like it will do it. I have no idea why they would make
the deaf chick into someone who is going to kill people with her power
, but who knows, maybe they'll do it properly.

Looking very forward to the next episode!!!!
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']
What's his plan going to be once the haven is complete? Create his own version of Asteroid M? He's plotting to get all this power, and I just wish they'd start explaining what he plans on doing with it when he gets it.
[/QUOTE]I disagree. I think (and read somewhere) that sometimes villains work best when they don't have a master plan. I mean how many villains have a master plan anyway. Outside of Magneto's "rid the world of non-mutants" most villains just want power. Sure that was the entire premise behind Wanted but that's not typical. That's what made Sylar such a great Villain in the begining. He started to suck a) when he got a little long in the tooth
he was clearly mapped out for one season only like Peter
and b) when he started to get these 'motivations'. When he was just killing people it was awesome but when he started to try to 'find himself' it just became lame.

[quote name='Salamando3000']
I also don't really get how Dr. Lady's power evolved from "Seeing Sounds and breaking stuff with Sounds" to "being able to lure people in with sounds." Are they just going to give her complete mastery over all audio at some point?
[/QUOTE]I agree. I thought it was pretty obvious her ability would be to shape and control sound. Maybe she could take the sound once she visualizes it and shape it with her mind into cushions or razors depending on her will, but just giving her the power of siren not only doesn't make any sense given what they showed us but it has that Peter Petrelli problem where the power is just too strong to be believable or balanced.
 
Maybe i missed something, but it thought the last power that peter had was claire's healing power, but then he flew at the end.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Maybe i missed something, but it thought the last power that peter had was claire's healing power, but then he flew at the end.[/QUOTE]


It was a magic picture.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Maybe i missed something, but it thought the last power that peter had was claire's healing power, but then he flew at the end.[/QUOTE]

Peter asked Claire to call up her old BF, Wes or West or something from a previous season, so he could take his power (Flight). The meeting between Peter and this dude was not shown.
 
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