[quote name='JolietJake']Maybe i missed something, but it thought the last power that peter had was claire's healing power, but then he flew at the end.[/QUOTE]he asked Claire to call her old boyfriend you know him as John Conner from TSCC. I was kinda hoping he'd show up. It's not like he's doing anything else right now.
[quote name='Wolfkin']he asked Claire to call her old boyfriend you know him as John Conner from TSCC. I was kinda hoping he'd show up. It's not like he's doing anything else right now. [/QUOTE]
You're confusing Claire's male friends. John Conner from TSCC was Claire's (presumably gay) friend in season one. The guy with the flying power was from season two. He's since done...um...I think he was in that Fired Up movie...
'Course that means he probably would have done a cameo for a ham sandwich and a warm shower.
[quote name='JolietJake']Maybe i missed something, but it thought the last power that peter had was claire's healing power, but then he flew at the end.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I thought Peter has Syler's power i.e. able to add new powers by touching another hero/villian. Yet, it's not like the creators of Heroes don't screw around with powers all the time since it seems they only allow him to hold onto one power at a time.
[quote name='Salamando3000']You're confusing Claire's male friends. John Conner from TSCC was Claire's (presumably gay) friend in season one. The guy with the flying power was from season two. He's since done...um...I think he was in that Fired Up movie...
'Course that means he probably would have done a cameo for a ham sandwich and a warm shower.[/QUOTE]bah that's what my niece was saying. I'm gonna have to rewatch that nonsense now.
[quote name='lordopus99']Personally, I thought Peter has Syler's power i.e. able to add new powers by touching another hero/villian. Yet, it's not like the creators of Heroes don't screw around with powers all the time since it seems they only allow him to hold onto one power at a time.[/QUOTE]That's backwards. Sylar gained Peter's power [thru script writing] during the Kristin Bell season. Peter's power WAS full empath. It used to be he got to know someone and he got their power, but around last? season when people started getting powers they want (i.e. Ando, and generic soldier) it became twisted and they powered down Peter so now he has the same ability it's just now limited to one at a time and he needs physical contact. Just like Sylar's power was to see things and understand the way they work (which required cutting open brains) and then during his whole 'daddy issues' phase it got twisted into empath like Peter and that made a sort of twisted logic based on the presumption that they were brothers but since they're not it no longer makes sense and it's just a whole lot more enjoyable if we don't think too hard about it.
Peter was powered down when his dad took his power. Then when they blew up primatech or w/e and Peter got that goo on him, he was able to take any power but only hold onto to one at a time. Peters original power was just touching someone and gaining their powers. I watched the two new ones and just felt nothing for the show.
[quote name='Wolfkin']I disagree. I think (and read somewhere) that sometimes villains work best when they don't have a master plan. I mean how many villains have a master plan anyway. Outside of Magneto's "rid the world of non-mutants" most villains just want power. Sure that was the entire premise behind Wanted but that's not typical. That's what made Sylar such a great Villain in the begining. He started to suck a) when he got a little long in the tooth
he was clearly mapped out for one season only like Peter
and b) when he started to get these 'motivations'. When he was just killing people it was awesome but when he started to try to 'find himself' it just became lame.[/QUOTE]
With Sylar though, he may not have had a plan, but he had at least had a motivating factor to do what he was doing. It started out as a desire to be special...something more than a simple watch repairman. That desire led him to kill (and steal the power of) the telekenetic. (plus I remember a few bits of evolutionary imperetive, how beings seek to make themselves stronger, as referenced in Chandra Suresh's book) It may not have been much, but at least it gave us an idea of why Sylar started doing what he's been doing.
Samuel's been hinting at having some kind of master plan, as he's going out of his way to recruit certain mutants instead of any mutant he can find. He did some pretty involved schemes to recruit Claire, Peter, and Deaf Lady, despite their powers not being as powerful as others. He's yet to try to woo Parkman or Ando, despite them having very handy powers.
Besides, there's got to be some kind of epic/catacylsmic event pending for the season finale. Makes me wonder if they'll go back to the Season 3 paintings of the Split Earth as rationale to why Samuel can't be allowed to accrue that much power.
I would disagree only with Samuel being selective. I think Samuel would take any mutant he could get. I don't think he's being all that selective and i say this in spite of the mr green thumb. Emma, Peter, Claire are all special cases but I think if Samuel knew about Parkman and Ando he'd be off to get them. It's kind of like when you get a bag of candy at Halloween you know you're going to eat all of it but you want to start with the favorite candy that you don't have to dig thru for.
The rest of it I'm down with obviously we have to have something big for the end of volume hopefully it is the split earth thing.
I know it was referenced during the Ando and Hiro Heroes' for Hire storyline, but I'd be damned if I could tell you the last time he used it. to be fair though, it's not like he's done much of anything this season.
he still has it but what can he do with it? it's like a sword. Good in a fight but pretty much useless outside of that. Quite frankly Ando is a better character not using his powers all the time. Not only does it make sense given the limited scope of his power (in solo) but as a character he was a great Zeppo. I still wish they'd have found a way to make him more useful without giving him a power or at least a less obvious power.
[quote name='PR Mega X']. Guess I'll be looking for a torrent this weekend. Thanks for the reminder.[/QUOTE]
It's on Hulu. Or if you have netflix, the new episodes go up in HD on there on Wednesdays. I watch on there as it's more convenient than DVRing and having to fast forward commercials.
Anyway, I thought both of last nights episodes were pretty good--other than the Hiro stuff.
Totally agree with the earlier poster that messing with his brain again is lame. He's been a dead weight character since season one, with being stuck back in time, having the mind of a 10 year old, now having his mind scrambled, etc.
[quote name='evildeadjedi']The deaf woman's power was interesting as well.
I wonder if she's like a siren? Yes she was playing very well but also everyone almost seemed in a trance.
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Watched both episodes last night and I quote myself from back in Oct when we first met Emma. They were not bad but seemed to move rather slow and were kind of uneventful.
I knew Emma was going to be a siren because when she played albiet beautiful music the people were in a trance. Hiro is so jacked up they should probably just be rid of him at this point(sad because he used to be my favorite character). Where is the Hatian? Parkman I'm guessing is still in the hospital. Very interested in where the whole Sylar/Claire thing will go. Why do they need to bring Mohinder back again?
Thought this weeks episode was pretty good. Kind of funny that it seemed to pick up on some complaints/comments in the thread here with finding some uses for Ando's power and the return of Parkman.
Glad the scrambled brain Hiro story wasn't drug out as well.
Hiro does get his mind messed with an awful lot doesn't he. Am I really the only one who doesn't hate Dr. Suresh? I mean sure it's lame that his 'randomly generated power' is strength and agility with zero disadvantage but aside from that I'm cool with him.
Though I'm a little annoyed that Ando who is basically an amp was just going off like a broken power line and they ddin't think to say use it to super power Suresh so they could escape or something.
I don't mind Suresh, I just kind of feel he's outlived his usefulness. He comes in handy whenever there's Science that needs doing, but outside of that, he's kinda boring. On a quick thought - this entire volume may never have happened if Mohinder just listened to his wife/gf and destroyed his father's research. He would've never gone to the festival, Samuel would never know about his power draining, and Sammy would've been content to be a drunk.
Speaking of Sammy, please don't tell me his entire plan was to become so powerful as to impress the lady. I'm reminded how he said "If she asked me to move a mountain, I'd do it". Considering he can move the earth, I hope he didn't take that literally.
[quote name='Salamando3000']I don't mind Suresh, I just kind of feel he's outlived his usefulness. He comes in handy whenever there's Science that needs doing, but outside of that, he's kinda boring. On a quick thought - this entire volume may never have happened if Mohinder just listened to his wife/gf and destroyed his father's research. He would've never gone to the festival, Samuel would never know about his power draining, and Sammy would've been content to be a drunk.
Speaking of Sammy, please don't tell me his entire plan was to become so powerful as to impress the lady. I'm reminded how he said "If she asked me to move a mountain, I'd do it". Considering he can move the earth, I hope he didn't take that literally.[/QUOTE]
Worst part of this episode for me, was actually a dialog mistake. When Emma was leaving and headed out the door facing away from Peter he said "I'll call you later". I can understand if she were looking at him and she had one of those phones that show the words, but seriously say it with her facing him.
Overall, nice episode for me. Once I gave up on making any sense of it and just enjoying it as a guilty pleasure, its good. It is improving and hopefully enough for another, hopefully better, season. Ando should supercharge Peter and let him at the very least manifest abilities just by thinking, even if it's only one at a time. That way he can atleast dial up an ability to stop Samuel. Wouldn't the Haitian's power negate Samuel?
[quote name='craven_fiend']Worst part of this episode for me, was actually a dialog mistake. When Emma was leaving and headed out the door facing away from Peter he said "I'll call you later". I can understand if she were looking at him and she had one of those phones that show the words, but seriously say it with her facing him.[/QUOTE] DUDE!!! I totally noticed that. The deaf girl heard voices behind her. [quote name='craven_fiend']Ando should supercharge Peter and let him at the very least manifest abilities just by thinking, even if it's only one at a time. That way he can atleast dial up an ability to stop Samuel. Wouldn't the Haitian's power negate Samuel?[/QUOTE]see now that makes sense. It amps his power, it would only be temporary, and yet doesn't make him so powerful you need to kill him off. Heck if they could redo the entire series that would be Peter/Ando's power from the begining. The Haitian can stop anyone. The only REAL question is if the Haitian and Parkman's kid (Baby Stop-N-Go) were to face off a) who would win and b) how would you tell?
[quote name='craven_fiend']Wouldn't the Haitian's power negate Samuel?[/QUOTE]
Something tell's me the Haitian wouldn't want to be around Earthquake man right now...
Even if he did, Samuel's true power is the cult-like following he's gathered. The Haitian could try to stop Samuel, but he'd have to stop a couple dozen other carnies at the same time.
i personally have been really bored this season....i was wishing they would continue the Nathan-Sylar angle a little while longer didn't happen...and Samuel's story although interesting...develops really slowly.
really? the Nathan Sylar angle? I wasn't sure anyone liked that portion. I was never an anti-fan of Nathan like most of the internet apparently but this particular story seemed weak even to me.
It was pretty bad, or at least it felt that way because such a waste of time. They are trying to play up the lesbian angle way too much.
Honestly the Claire part of the episode could totally have been skipped over. It really didn't bring anything to the show. IMO I think it is about time to write her off the show or at least take a major back seat. Sylar being Nathan for the last how ever long, and then also in the past being thought to be a Petrelli, it just made it that more disturbing to see him and her kiss. Though all the lesbian double on tundras were just as bad.
Hiro trial scenes were okay but left a few too many questions as to what was going on. Hopefully now that he is "healed" (from his dead mother?) they can get back to the good ol' Hiro. The only real necessity of seeing the episode was seeing Samuel go over the deep end(finally). Now he can become the Super Villian the show needs.
Also Not sure exactly what Sylar plans to accomplish by going back to see Matt.
Sylar knew Matt's son's power was the ability to make things start and stop, including powers. It's possible that his little conversation with Claire has him thinking that it may in fact benefit him if he loses his powers. That way they no longer become his defining characteristic and he becomes free to pursue meaningful relationships. Feels kinda "weak" as an ending for Sylar, but I wouldn't be mad to see him gone.
I missed this episode, but are they taking the cheap way out and giving sylar a conscience? After all this time he finally decides he wants more in life that just slicing up people's heads?
[quote name='Salamando3000']As far as Sylar was concerned...
Sylar knew Matt's son's power was the ability to make things start and stop, including powers. It's possible that his little conversation with Claire has him thinking that it may in fact benefit him if he loses his powers. That way they no longer become his defining characteristic and he becomes free to pursue meaningful relationships. Feels kinda "weak" as an ending for Sylar, but I wouldn't be mad to see him gone.
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I had not thought of that. I would have guessed
he had gone to Matt to put back up some kind of mental block. That way he could restart his life.
One of my kids just told me why he thinks Sylar has a conscience, it is because Nathan's gave him his conscience. He then said he needs to lose the conscience and go back to 'THE Sylar'.
[quote name='ImLuhkee']I had not thought of that. I would have guessed
he had gone to Matt to put back up some kind of mental block. That way he could restart his life.
One of my kids just told me why he thinks Sylar has a conscience, it is because Nathan's gave him his conscience. He then said he needs to lose the conscience and go back to 'THE Sylar'.[/QUOTE]
well... in the preview for next weeks episode...
Sylar goes to parkman and tells him to erase the powers from him or something
[quote name='JolietJake']I missed this episode, but are they taking the cheap way out and giving sylar a conscience? After all this time he finally decides he wants more in life that just slicing up people's heads?
Really?[/QUOTE]
Hard to say for sure, but it could very well go in that direction. It all started whenever Hiro told Sylar he'd die alone.
As far as Hiro's recovery goes, I also thought it was stupid that his mother heals him... until the next scene when you see him in his bed. The fact that he had bandages on his head made me assume the doctors were able to operate on him after all... somehow.
Yeah, I'm sticking to that. If his mother DID heal him, I'll just ignore it.
As far as Hiro's recovery goes, I also thought it was stupid that his mother heals him... until the next scene when you see him in his bed. The fact that he had bandages on his head made me assume the doctors were able to operate on him after all... somehow.
Yeah, I'm sticking to that. If his mother DID heal him, I'll just ignore it.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget about spoilers.
That might make the most sense actually.
The thought of her gave him the strength to live to go through with the surgery.
[quote name='blitz6speed']well... in the preview for next weeks episode...
Sylar goes to parkman and tells him to erase the powers from him or something
.. Could end up interesting.[/QUOTE]
I missed the show @9 so I didn't see that. I am sure NBC will show the commercial a hundred more times though.
I thought we didn't have to care about spoiler tagging once the show has aired on the west coast? That it was a given that if you enter a thread about a show that did, there may be spoilers...
Just in case it isn't....
I thought the Trial and such all occurred inside his head the moment he lost consciousness, with the scenes in the white room happening whenever his heart stopped beating. What with the white light and everything, showing Hiro approaching the end of his Mortality. The fight with Anders not-so-metaphorically corresponding with his body's fight to stay alive during the surgery. His mom showing up because, well, it's always nice to receive some helpful words of encouragement.
Does Hiro's sister have any powers we know about? Seems odd that both her parents would and she doesn't.
I didn't think Hiro's mother healed him as much as Adam was the tumor, and he killed Adam thus killing the tumor.
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I like that idea. Great metaphor if that's what the writers meant to do.
As for the spoilers the only reason I suggested it was because someone earlier today was had asked if the episode was really bad as I had originally said. So I assumed they had not watched the episode yet. Was just trying to be courteous to that person. =D
Also as far as anyone knows, Kimiko does not have a power. Doesn't mean she won't randomly start to develop one.
Wow was that a terrible episode - maybe the worst ever and that's saying something. I didn't think Heroes could get much worse and then... the dream sequence! LOL! Also, the pussification of Sylar is just awful and don't get me started on what a ridiculous "master plan" Samuel had in order to land Ellen Tigh. A cottage in the woods? Seriously? That was the motivation behind everything this season? So bad...
I do agree it seems like Samuel reasoning just doesn't match up with his actions. For instance having Danko killed (to protect the carnival). Trying to bring in and tame Sylar. Telling Becky that she would get her revenge. It all just seems so unnecessary when looking at his goal. Also the comment he made about Peter replacing Joseph. I just feel like writers were very uncertain with what they wanted to do with him.
[quote name='javeryh']and don't get me started on what a ridiculous "master plan" Samuel had in order to land Ellen Tigh. A cottage in the woods? Seriously? That was the motivation behind everything this season? So bad...[/QUOTE]
And now that she's spurned him, he has no choice but to DESTROY THE WORLD!!
Season 1 of Heroes was good. Season 2 of Heroes was okay. After Season 2, the show became horrible. I am still confused as to what the plot of Season 3 (Volume 3-4) was about. There were some many characters introduced and under utilized and they kept switching up the plot until it made no sense. This TV series had so much potential...
I really think the reason it was so good the first season for most people was the length. The writers were able to flush everything out. The first season was 23 episodes. I think plenty of room to move and make sure every character was utilized. Then the second season was only 12 episodes, the Third season was split into two volumes. I just feel like since the first season they(the writers) have not given enough space to fully take advantage of the new characters or use up the old ones. I still enjoy the show for what it is. I won't complain or say I want it gone because only god knows what comes to replace it.
[quote name='ImLuhkee']I really think the reason it was so good the first season for most people was the length. The writers were able to flush everything out. The first season was 23 episodes. I think plenty of room to move and make sure every character was utilized. Then the second season was only 12 episodes, the Third season was split into two volumes. I just feel like since the first season they(the writers) have not given enough space to fully take advantage of the new characters or use up the old ones. I still enjoy the show for what it is. I won't complain or say I want it gone because only god knows what comes to replace it.[/QUOTE]I think it went downhill because they never planned to reuse these characters again. It was supposed to change every season. There was enough for one season.. and then maybe two but these characters weren't designed for long term use which is why Peter and Sylar are so annoyingly powerful. I personally find it hilarious that they decided to power down Sylar just like they powered down Peter. Only his reason is purely just voluntary.
. Guess I'll be looking for a torrent this weekend. Thanks for the reminder.[/QUOTE]
