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[quote name='xcoax']Of course, but I don't see them doing that as long as he's on ECW, since that show is nothing but heels and Tommy Dreamer. I could see him switching if he went to RAW but not Smackdown for some reason.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, it's mostly heels except for Tommy, Punk, and Richards... lol.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NiEDQR2EwY[/MEDIA]

Gotta love the slo mo.
 
Yo Zen.

I just finished watching Manhattan Mayhem II. About that Danielson/Morishima match (which was incredible BTW): Was Danielson's eye injury legit or not? Because if it was a work, he sure as hell sold it like a million bucks.
 
KOFI fuckING RULES..

his finisher though doesnt always look the best

Even though everyone loves to hate on it, im glad to see ecw rising, Now if they would kick the smackdown guys out and keep it for the new guys
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Yo Zen.

I just finished watching Manhattan Mayhem II. About that Danielson/Morishima match (which was incredible BTW): Was Danielson's eye injury legit or not? Because if it was a work, he sure as hell sold it like a million bucks.[/quote]

The eye injury was legit. He broke his orbital bone and had a detached retina. Basically he wrestled that match blind in one eye.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS8HdSRQGk[/media]

You can see the footage here where the doctor examines Danielson's eye after it rolls up into his head. It's towards the end. I was there live and the match and atmosphere was incredible. It doesn't translate nearly as well to video since Ring of Honor is really bad at mixing their sound.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']AWA tapes will be taking the place of the God-awful UWF ones on Feb. 27th.[/quote]

I thought WWE had the rights to those tapes?

TNA's figures will be distributed by Jakks Pacific starting in 2010, while WWE signed a deal with Mattell that starts in 2010. WWE's stock went up over a dollar today with the announcement, and ECW did a 1.4 rating. Also, Angle had this funny line about the TNA game -
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This just reminded me, one more year of a Smackdown vs. Raw game & then THQ's contract is up with them. Hopefully WWE won't renew the deal & gives someone else the chance to make a better game.
 
Damn, that's brutal. And yeah the crowd was on fire that entire match. It told a great story and there were a lot of close calls that kept you on the edge of your seat. I think I enjoyed that more than The Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico.

I like Kofi too, but while I know he's new and still getting built up and all, I wish his matches weren't so damn formulaic.
 
I really wish they'd change the name of the ECW show. I try to watch it every couple of weeks but the angry, 17 year old, 1996 ECW mark in me just can't take it.

In the same way that "British Cena fan" ruined the Shawn Michaels vs. John Cena RAW match from last... April, seeing the ECW logo while watching guys get DQed/counted out ruins potentially decent wrestling for me. I just wind up stewing like a bitter old man, bitching about "the good old days" to my dogs and gazing at the ECW DVDs on my shelf. Call it Tuesday Thunder, or Shotgun Tuesday Night, or WWE Nitro, or anything but ECW.

I hope someone else gets ahold of the WWE videogame rights. Hell, let whoever did the Day of Reckoning games buy them, I liked those more than the SvR titles.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']This just reminded me, one more year of a Smackdown vs. Raw game & then THQ's contract is up with them. Hopefully WWE won't renew the deal & gives someone else the chance to make a better game.[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing! Jakks and THQ come as a package deal of some sort, right?

A WWE game with a fresh engine could be great. Unless of course it turns out like Wrestlemania 21, but I doubt they'd let their "flagship" game be handled so poorly. Also I hope they don't go multiplatform again... it's silly to try and make the same game for psTWO and 360.
 
Hey BestBuy has 25% off all WWE titles. I have a question. They have a low price on the website. For example the WWE 15th Anniversary is listed as "our price 14.99" and the the "list price was 34.95". Is the 14.99 price the price with the 25% off? Or will I get it at 14.99 plus 25% off?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....equestid=23023

I called two stores. One lady said that 14.99 is already the 25% off, but 34.95 * .25 = 8.74. 34.95 - 8.74 = 26.21. ????

The other lady said that I would get 25% off the 14.99 price.

Does anybody know how it actually is?
 
I was ready to go and get The 15th anniversary and the Ladder DVD for about $25 for both, but what you are saying makes sense. 19.99 * .25 = 4.99.

there is a 10% off coupon here on CAG. I might go with that.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Damn, that's brutal. And yeah the crowd was on fire that entire match. It told a great story and there were a lot of close calls that kept you on the edge of your seat. I think I enjoyed that more than The Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico.

I like Kofi too, but while I know he's new and still getting built up and all, I wish his matches weren't so damn formulaic.[/quote]

Final Battle 2007 doesn't have any matches the quality of Dragon/Morishima, but the overall show is really, really fun. Man Up however has Dragon/Morishima 2 and the Briscoes/Steenerico Ladder Match. I think the blowoff between Dragon and Morishima is coming soon. Probably at the 6th PPV or in Orlando.

And in case you decide to buy more ROH Dvds, I've comprised a list for you. You already have some of the discs on the list but in case anyone else is interested, I figured I should leave them in.

It's basically the abridged version of RoH storylines, where everything goes along nice and smoothly without the filler. Keep in mind that some shows were included for single matches (namely the amazing Dragon/Aries series) or for storyline purposes, ala Survival of The Fittest 2007, which are important to see for the later, greater shows to make sense.

If you guys think I missed some shows, or some shows should be pulled, share your thoughts. I'd love to hear what you have to say.

THE ESSENTIAL RING OF HONOR 2007

Fifth Year Festival NYC

The show is important for the fact that Morishima makes his debut in ROH. There is also Joe vs. Morishima and Homicide/Rave, where Homicide had his only truly good title defense.

Fifth Year Festival Philly

The show is most important for the title match between Homicide/Morishima and the title change that followed. The Briscoes/Steenrico match also helped Steen and Generico look like they belonged in Ring of Honor.

Fifth Year Festival Chicago

This show is most notable for being Samoa Joe's final United States Ring of Honor match. The emotion is palpable only to be cut to a grinding halt due to an audience silencing end. It's still worth picking up to see Joe say his emotional farewell. There is also the great Tag Title match between The Briscoes and Christopher Daniels/Matt Sydal and a bloody Windy City Death Match between Cabana/Jacobs that finishes up their feud.

Fifth Year Festival: Liverpool

The Briscoes/Doi & Shingo title match and Joe/Nigel are the key reasons to pick this up. In retrospect, the rub Joe gives Nigel before leaving the company makes a lot of sense since Nigel was the guy to dethrone Morishima.

Fifth Year Festival: Finale

This stacked card presented Briscoe vs. Briscoe, Nigel/Rave in a Fight Without Honor and Joe's Final ROH Match vs. Homicide. Doi & Shingo vs. Roderick Strong is also quite good. In fact, the entire show doesn't have a bad match on it.

All Star Extravaganza III

This show had the Briscoes/Doi & Shingo rematch where Mark Briscoe almost killed himself. It also had the guest appearance by the Murder City Machine Guns, who challenged the Briscoes to a title match. Roderick/Evans and the RoH vs. Dragon Gate 8 Man cap off the card.

Supercard of Honor 2

This show brought the end to the Whitmer/Jacobs feud in a Cage Match. Aries finally got his hand on Roderick Strong. And the now yearly Dragon Gate 6 man had the crowding pleading with the performers to "Please don't stop!" Again, in retrospect, the seeds for Nigel/Hero were planted here, only to sprout up at Glory By Honor Night 1.

Good Times, Great Memories

This event is notable for two things. The farewell and celebration of Colt Cabana from Ring of Honor and the awesome Murder City Machine Guns/Briscoes match that was set at All Star Extravaganza 3. Shingo and Morishima also had a terrific title match that saw Shingo (as well as Christopher Daniels) leave the company.

Driven

This is where the Briscoes/Steenerico feud really started to take off as both teams really brought it to each other. Then there is Dragon/Nigel which really needs no elaboration. Between all the bitching that people have seen enough of Drgaon/Nigel, the fact is that this is the Dreamer/Raven feud of ROH. With the cap-off coming at 6th Year Anniversary, it should be completely expected that Nigel will finally get his rare victory over his nemesis.

Race To The Top Tournament Night 2 - Honorable Mention

The Eight Man $10,000 match (Dragon/Aries/Sydal/Briscoe vs. Nigel/Delirious/Strong/Briscoe) was a really great, fun match that had Dragon getting one over Nigel once again, only to have Austin Aries get one over Dragon at the same time. The tournament final is also a really great match that I won't ruin for anyone. I would suggest picking it up, but it's not necessary to the list.

Death Before Dishonor V Night 1

Here is a fantastic Street Fight between the Briscoes/Steenerico. Absolutely brutal! Then there is the Morishima/Claudio title match that had the crowd pulling their hair out expecting a title change.

Death Before Dishonor V Night 2

The 8 Man Street Fight (Aries, Delirious, Stevens, & Cross vs. Strong, Romero, Richards, & Sydal) is off the walls... literally. Stevens truly gets a great rub and Cross finally gets to show everyone what he's about. Morishima also has another great title defense against Brent Albright that again had the crowd wetting themselves. And Steenrico/The Briscoes had a series of great singles matches as well.

Manhattan Mayhem 2

MM2 had the match of the year in Dragon/Morishima. Both guys went out there and told an amazing story and all the credit goes to Danielson for wrestling that match blind in one eye. Briscoes/Steenrico had a 2 of 3 Falls match that was also great and built up their feud to the boiling point.

Man Up

The best PPV of the year had Morishima/Dragon 2 where Bryan Danielson decided to have the match blind in one eye. A lot of drama and some shenanigans by Morishima. The Briscoes/Steenerico feud also gets capped off here in an amazing ladder match/war that left people wondering how someone hadn't died. AoTF also made their debut in an unforgettable fashion. Sure they haven't really lived up to the hype, but that moment is still shocking.

Honor Nation - Honorable Mention

Honor Nation has the start of the best of three series between Dragon/Aries with the winner getting a title shot. Is each match worth buying a DVD over? I don't know. That's your call. I have to say though that their series has among the best pure wrestling you'll see all year round. I would suggest picking it up, but it's not necessary to the list.

Undeniable

This PPV is most notable for the Nigel/Morishima main event title match. I'm not going to go into spoilers, but for it's worth buying just for that. Then there's the Aries/Strong match where I think Aries might just have killed Roderick (or at least given him a concussion).

Survival of the Fittest 2007

First and foremost, there are no great matches here. Dragon/Nigel is all a nice big attempt at giving the hardcore wrestling fan blue balls without any resolve. However the show itself belongs in your library for the antics of Chris Hero.

I know a lot of people hate Hero, but here he shows a side different than his usual shenanigans. He's smart, picks his spots, and his efforts all lead to a dramatic, live, had to be there to experience it, title match at Glory By Honor Night 1. However for that match to have the meaning it does, this show needs to be seen.

Chaos At The Cow Palace - Honorable Mention

The second best of three series match-up between Dragon/Aries. Everything I said prior about this series is still true here. Hero/Tornado have a fun opener and there's some good all around tag team wrestling, but the reason to buy this show is Dragon/Aries and I would suggest picking it up, but it's not necessary to the list.

Glory By Honor VI Night 1

And finally a Dragon/Aries match that isn't forced to carry the card all by itself. The Chris Hero title match has a great amount of drama that only be understood by having watched the Survival of the Fittest 2007 show. Misawa also makes his US ROH debut in Misawa & KENTA vs. Morishima & Marufuji.

Glory By Honor VI Night 2

Morishima and Dragon face off in the second rematch of the match of the year original... and this time it's personal. A uniquely fantastic ending to a great match, this feud is looking to get capped off in either Philly or Orlando. Misawa also defends his GHC championship against KENTA in his second and only ROH match, that had the old man giving the NYC crowd everything his body could.

Rising Above

Yeah I know it's not out. But having been there live, I can tell you right now that Nigel McGuinness vs. Austin Aries rocked the house and is the best ROH World Title match since the original Dragon and Morishima. There is also the Dragon/Morishima Relaxed Rules match where Morishima just went ape**** on Danielson.

Final Battle 2007

The final show of 2007 is about the most fun show of 2007 as well. With Bushwacker Luke making an appearance, the quick return of Pelle Primeau, the four way number 1 contender's match between Dragon/Morishima/Aries/Aries that had the crowd solidly behind Hero's craziness, this show was a blast. There was also the emotional speech by Nigel to the crowd and the Briscoes/AotF title match.

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38 Ring of Honor titles released in 2007 = $760 - Without Discounts

19 (22) Ring of Honor essential suggested from 2007 = $380 ($440) - Without Discounts

19 (22) Ring of Honor essential titles from 2007 using Buy 3 Get 1 Free (Includes One Honorable Mention) = $300 ($340)

19 (22) Ring of Honor essential titles from 2007 using Buy 2 Get 1 Free = $260 ($300)

Short List

Fifth Year Festival NYC - Morishima comes to ROH. Joe vs. Morishima. Homicide/Rave.
Fifth Year Festival Philly - Briscoes/Steenrico. Morishima/Homicide.
Fifth Year Festival: Chicago - Briscoes vs. Daniels/Sydal. Cabana/Jacobs Windy City Death Match. Joe/Homicide vs. Nigel/Morishima.
Fifth Year Festival: Liverpool - Briscoes/Doi & Shingo. Joe/Nigel.
Fifth Year Festival: Finale - Briscoe vs. Briscoe. Nigel/Rave Fight Without Honor. Joe's Final Match vs. Homicide.
All Star Extravaganza III - Briscoes/Doi & Shingo. Roderick/Evans. RoH vs. Dragon Gate.
Supercard of Honor 2 - Whitmer/Jacobs Cage Match. Dragon Gate 6 man.
Good Times, Great Memories - Morishima/Shingo. MCMG/Briscoes.
Driven - Briscoes/Steenerico. Dragon/Nigel.
Death Before Dishonor V Night 1 - Briscoes/Steenrico Street Fight. Morishima/Claudio.
Death Before Dishonor V Night 2 - 8 Man Street Fight. Albright/Morishima.
Manhattan Mayhem 2 - Dragon/Morishima. Aries/Evans/Strong. Briscoes/Steenrico 2 of 3 Falls.
Man Up - Morishima/Dragon. Briscoes/Steenerico Ladder Match.
Undeniable - Nigel/Morishima. Aries/Strong.
Survival of the Fittest 2007 - The entire tournament.
Glory By Honor VI Night 1 - Dragon/Aries. Nigel/Hero. Misawa & KENTA vs. Morishima & Marufuji.
Glory By Honor VI Night 2 - Dragon/Morishima. Misawa vs. KENTA.
Rising Above - Dragon/Morishima Relaxed Rules. Nigel/Aries.
Final Battle 2007 - Hero/Dragon/Aries/Morishima. Briscoes/AotF.

Honorable Mention

Race To The Top Tournament Night 2 - $10,000 Match. Tournament Finals.
Honor Nation - Steen/Morishima. Dragon/Aries.
Chaos At The Cow Palace - Dragon/Aries.

It's basically the abridged version of RoH storylines, where everything goes along nice and smoothly without the filler. Keep in mind that some shows were included for single matches (namely the amazing Dragon/Aries series) or for storyline purposes, ala Survival of The Fittest 2007, which are important to know for later, greater shows.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']I thought the same thing! Jakks and THQ come as a package deal of some sort, right?[/quote]

Yep, it was something like that. Which is why when WWE tried to sue Jakks a couple year ago, they tried to dissolve the license with THQ too.

[quote name='Zen Davis'] They ought to use the Tekken engine.[/QUOTE]

I hope you're joking. That would basically be like going back to the WWF Attitude engine.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']I hope you're joking. That would basically be like going back to the WWF Attitude engine.[/quote]

Virtua Fighter?
 
Realistically they couldn't do this for the "flagship" game... but they should do a separate game for XBLA and DS and use the Firepro engine!

Hmm, and what's the last thing AKI did anyway? Def Jam? That M.U.S.C.L.E. game?
 
[quote name='xcoax']
Like I said, Punk only seems to be interesting when he doesn't have the title.[/QUOTE]

This makes perfect sense to me though. Most classic stories are about the evil that is ruling the world, and the underdog good guy coming up the chain. How many sports movies are about a dominating team that is already the champion, yet holding onto the championship?

Even look at the NFL. People were rooting for the Giants over the Patriots just because they wre sick of the Patriots being on top.

For a face character, going after the title (or being held away from a title) will always work better. Much like wrestling is usually more interesting with a heel champion (or a heel challenger if that challenger looks unbeatable like Andre the Giant at WMIII).
 
Greatest Impact preview image ever -
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Karen looks stunning, while Kurt looks... sickly.

I'm not surprised by WWE doing that - given New Japan's relationship with TNA, I can see why they wouldn't want to give them free advertising.
 
Kurt looks like a fat Ray Charles.

Like someone is pulling his spinal column out, through his assho'.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Realistically they couldn't do this for the "flagship" game... but they should do a separate game for XBLA and DS and use the Firepro engine!

Hmm, and what's the last thing AKI did anyway? Def Jam? That M.U.S.C.L.E. game?[/quote]


The original def jam was amazing and i purchased it just cause of aki. Midway are morons for not involving them.

I have that street muscle (or w.e its called) too but i didnt get into it too much.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']The guy getting Jericho's autograph is Nagata? Damn..[/QUOTE]

Nagata and Tanahashi are in pictures 4, 5, and 6.

I can see almost why WWE wouldn't do it, but it's insulting to fans to think we don't know who these guys are.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Might as well suggest the MK2 engine while you're at it.[/QUOTE]Not too much of a stretch from the Wrestlemania arcade game, actually...
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']The guy getting Jericho's autograph is Nagata? Damn..[/quote]

What about something from LJN?
 
To get a picture why Ring of Honor pay-per-views will no longer air in Canada (as previously reported on SLAM!), the last pay-per-view, Undeniable, reportedly only had 19 buys on the Dish Network and 36 buys in the entire country of Canada.
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fucking ouch.
 
http://www.wwe.com/shows/nowayout/exclusives/mysterioinjured

Rey Mysterio’s quest to regain the World Championship may have suffered a severe setback in Santiago, Chile, on Wednesday night.

The injury occurred during Wednesday’s live event at Arena Santiago, where Mysterio teamed with Kane against Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins. During the tag contest, Rey suffered an apparent injury to his right arm – specifically his bicep. Clearly in pain, the Master of the 619 gutted it out and finished the match, then was quickly examined by WWE athletic trainer Jason Crivello upon leaving the ring.

Mysterio flew back to the United States late Wednesday night, and is currently in Gulf Breeze, Fla., waiting to meet with world-renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who will determine the extent of the injury. Regardless of Dr. Andrews’ findings, Mysterio has his heart set on competing this Sunday night at No Way Out, where he is scheduled to face Edge for the World Championship.

Stay with WWE.com as more updates become available regarding Mysterio’s condition.
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Is there even a credible challenger to take his place on the Smackdown roster right now (I'm ruling out the possibility of him competing if the injury was bad enough for him to go see Dr Andrews)? Putting what little top level talent they have in the Elimination Chamber makes the options pretty damn slim, unless they pull a guy like Batista to take his place and throw Mark Henry in the chamber (my most likely scenario).
 
[quote name='Sporadic']fucking ouch.[/QUOTE]

This doesn't mean Nash was right to defend TNA's product, but this does kinda show that Nash was right that you can't just book for marks.

It's a shame about Rey (wasn't that a Lemonheads album?). Going to Andrews is never a good sign. Maybe it's time for him to hang it up, as he's been rather injury prone the last few years.

EDIT: Are Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins the Major Brothers' real names? They sound like porno stars.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This doesn't mean Nash was right to defend TNA's product, but this does kinda show that Nash was right that you can't just book for marks.[/QUOTE]

No.

If TNA would take RoH's booking (or gave Gabe the book), they would shoot to the moon.

It's not crazy to imagine a "no-name" wrestling promotion doing so bad on PPV when they have just about 0 promotion outside of the internet. Imagine if ECW didn't get a plug on WWE before their first PPV. I bet it would have been a bomb too.

Also I heard that they did much better on inDemand.
 
I think wrestling needs a balance - take, for instance, the popularity of the women in WWE. I'm no fan of the cheesecake (but I think Beth Phoenix is an awesome women's champ), but there's no doubt that Maria's Playboy alone will make more money than ROH and TNA combined this year (though that's not fair, since TNA isn't turning a profit at all).

I agree that TNA needs to differentiate themselves from WWE in order to grow, and I agree that treating the product with respect (i.e., no more rat cage on a pole matches, and a significant reduction in clusterfuck finishes and run-ins) is very important. But that isn't a road that reads directly into ROH-style booking.

After all, who are some of the most thankless wrestling fans on the face of the earth? That's right: smarks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nagata and Tanahashi are in pictures 4, 5, and 6.

I can see almost why WWE wouldn't do it, but it's insulting to fans to think we don't know who these guys are.[/QUOTE]

99.999999% of WWE fans haver ZERO idea who they are - I can see why WWE did it, although if JBL was still on commentary, he'd have talked about them being there, their title histories, and then moved onto the progression of MVP's mat game.

Barring a miracle, no one, single thing is going to "shoot TNA to the moon" - the closest they had to that was Angle coming in fresh off a hot WWE run and all that did was double their buyrates. For one show. Which got 60,000 buys - still a horrid number by WWE's buyrate standards. Strong, consistent booking would at least help TNA keep its existing fans, and possibly bring over new ones like it did in '05. I cannot fathom just who the current TNA product is supposed to appeal to. Fans of weddings and run-ins, I suppose.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's a shame about Rey (wasn't that a Lemonheads album?). Going to Andrews is never a good sign. Maybe it's time for him to hang it up, as he's been rather injury prone the last few years.[/quote]

Sadly, his injuries aren't surprising. Between steroid use and his style it was bound to happen. He's essentially the Barry Bonds of wrestling, as far as bodytypes go. WWE will push to keep him around though. He's probably only second in merchandise sales to Cena.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think wrestling needs a balance - take, for instance, the popularity of the women in WWE. I'm no fan of the cheesecake (but I think Beth Phoenix is an awesome women's champ), but there's no doubt that Maria's Playboy alone will make more money than ROH and TNA combined this year (though that's not fair, since TNA isn't turning a profit at all).

I agree that TNA needs to differentiate themselves from WWE in order to grow, and I agree that treating the product with respect (i.e., no more rat cage on a pole matches, and a significant reduction in clusterfuck finishes and run-ins) is very important. But that isn't a road that reads directly into ROH-style booking.

After all, who are some of the most thankless wrestling fans on the face of the earth? That's right: smarks.[/QUOTE]

Balance is a good thing but ignoring the fans and booking Cena as 1986 Hogan or destroying the thing that made your promotion stand out in the first place (X Division) is not for good for business.

Now I'm not saying that for a promotion to be good, it has to be Ring Of Honor.

In fact, Ring Of Honor has their own problems like too much of a good thing. Man Up completely burned me out because it was basically "crazy ass move, attempted pinfall, crazier move, attempted pinfall, WHAT THE fuck WAS THAT?!?!, attempted pinfall, JESUS HE'S DEAD, attempted pinfall" wash/rinse/repeat every match mixed with chops/punches/european uppercuts. They don't have any matches that can let the audience rest which is necessary.

I'm just saying, it's a good thing for business to listen to the smarks most (not all) of the time.
 
ROH = highspots and headdrops. I love their roster based on workrate, but there's very few guys there who can actually tell a story in a match. Aside from that, a lot of their guys are very similar in their styles and gimmicks. It's hard to distinguish one guy from another (the glaring absence from their website: a roster page), and that makes it hard to give a crap about their talent.

I know ROH tries to be more about the wrestling than the character, but it's impossible to do anything in wrestling without a solid mix of both. Catering to JUST the smarks will only please a very small percentage of wrestling fans - for them to really be important, they've gotta branch out and expand.

In other words, ROH is a lot like Ron Paul. Great ideas in theory, but far too radical to really mean anything.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']I cannot fathom just who the current TNA product is supposed to appeal to. Fans of weddings and run-ins, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

I dunno. You watch it. You a mark for Jeremy Borash or somethin'?

As for the rest of your post, of course no one single thing will 'pop' TNA, no more than Y2J's comeback would make WWE on the whole popular again. But some "one thing" like putting Dutch Mantel out to pasture, or taking a new "mission statement" in their booking philosophy, would help set in motion an overall change to the product that might help move it in the right direction. Not overnight, of course. But that's not what I claimed.

[quote name='neocisco']Sadly, his injuries aren't surprising. Between steroid use and his style it was bound to happen. He's essentially the Barry Bonds of wrestling, as far as bodytypes go. WWE will push to keep him around though. He's probably only second in merchandise sales to Cena.[/QUOTE]

An apt analogy. At some point I saw him on TV and realized just how huge his body was compared to years ago (even at the time of his WWE debut). At the same time, WWE is a league of Bonds, and Mysterio just happens to be the short one.

[quote name='Sporadic']Balance is a good thing but ignoring the fans and booking Cena as 1986 Hogan or destroying the thing that made your promotion stand out in the first place (X Division) is not for good for business.

Now I'm not saying that for a promotion to be good, it has to be Ring Of Honor.

In fact, Ring Of Honor has their own problems like too much of a good thing. Man Up completely burned me out because it was basically "crazy ass move, attempted pinfall, crazier move, attempted pinfall, WHAT THE fuck WAS THAT?!?!, attempted pinfall, JESUS HE'S DEAD, attempted pinfall" wash/rinse/repeat every match mixed with chops/punches/european uppercuts. They don't have any matches that can let the audience rest which is necessary.

I'm just saying, it's a good thing for business to listen to the smarks most (not all) of the time.[/QUOTE]

I would even disagree with most. Now you can actually take a critical eye to ROH, but the average smark just gushes over everything they do. They criticize shit like workrate, which is never going to be at the forefront of WWE. Should it be? Somewhat, but not entirely. As for pointing out the SuperCena or SuperH pushes, you won't get a peep of disagreement out of me - but that's not what I'm arguing. In fact, things such as those are why we both are ambivalent to the current WWE product. They're doing a few things right (Flair's retirement storyline, MVP's persona and development, the never-happened Triple H/Regal feud, Beth Phoenix's development, etc.) - but it's all overshadowed by Triple H and Cena destroying everyone in their path, Hornswoggle, kiss my ass clubs, etc. There's good stuff on the show, but it's the stuff on the centerstage, the stuff WWE thinks we LOVE, that makes us cringe and change the channel.

[quote name='JJSP']ROH = highspots and headdrops. I love their roster based on workrate, but there's very few guys there who can actually tell a story in a match. Aside from that, a lot of their guys are very similar in their styles and gimmicks.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much. Larry Sweeney is a standout entertainer, CM Punk a standout wrestler. There are others (Joe, Cabana), but for the most part, ROH matches are spotfests with no stories. Generic back-and-forth matches with too many drops on the fuckin' head. It's enjoyable, but I've seen enough wrestling matches that are just as enjoyable, but without all the spine-crunching moves and spinny shit. Ric Flair never did a hurricanrana. A guy like Brent Albright resembles that more than anything else; he could be somebody. Austin Aries? Whatever. He probably believes his own bullshit too. "Austin Starr" was a shame, sure, but let's be real: he's not in a league to be a TNA/WWE titleholder. He's a Jamie Knoble.
 
The biggest problem with Ring of Honor is that they are an extremely hard company to keep up with and for a lot of people, it's just not worth the effort. Unless you're able to download torrents and shows, it's incredibly easy to get lost with what's going on in the company. Add to that an incredibly lazy website, a lot of performers that don't necessarily stand out and you've got a lot working against you.

Even TNA updates their website on a daily basis with TNA Today and god knows how many times the WWE updates their site on a daily basis. In basic, Ring of Honor's biggest failure is its inability to create awareness of it's brand. No matter how many smarks you impress, most smarks just aren't big social people and you will hit a limit.

Besides Ring of Honor released 38 DVDs in 2007 and most people aren't willing to pay $760, not including shipping, a year to keep up with what's happening in Ring of Honor, a promotion they know next to nothing about.

I know I'm not.

And I really like the promotion.

With the company shrinking down for 2008, I think they're really going to focus on pushing guys that can deliver great matches. It's already started with their next event only having 7 matches on the card and 22 talents scheduled on that night. I also think they're going to keep their pay per views going because eventually more and more people are going to come around and order them.

But they're going to need to set up street teams or something or the company is just going to tread water.
 
Some thoughts on Impact.

1] Rocka Kahn is hot.
2] I actually care about Petey Williams now, never thought I'd say that.
3] Shelley Martinez's boobs are way too big for her frame, it just makes her look nasty.
4] I miss Austin Starr.
 
Borash is the maid of honor, the LAX entrance way has a handicap marker on it, and Rellik WANTS TO EAT BRAINS! Tremendous. I hope Zombie Flanders runs in at the PPV. This was an absurdly wonderful show. As a wrestling broadcast, it was mostly shit, but as sheer entertainment, it delivered.

Booker delivered some good promos on Booker T, Joe delivered some good ones against Kurt for his quarterly title shot, and Rellik (which is KILLER SPELLED BACKWARDS) got his second finisher in TNA to mark his second victory in the company. They actually built some things up well tonight, and we got to CROSS THE LINE with Gail Kim and ODB, who had SHADES OF GREY added to their characters. I'm not really sure why though, as ODB clearly didn't ask for Gail's help, and Gail cost her the match, so really, Gail should be the heel here.

The NASCAR guys were amusing for all the wrong reasons, especially the guy on commentary who seemed to have some sort of speech problem, who came after the young-looking dude who spoke too softly to be heard over the mic, which led to Shelley making a racist joke, leading to Salinas shaking her tits around in rage.

The wedding was just... awesome. Angle using the world title as a cumberbun, JB as the maid of honor, AJ as the jilted non-lover, the fat, old, and seemingly blind priest, Angle correcting said priest to put him over more as the wedding continued... all of it was absurd and wonderful.

Quotes -
Ad Guy - WILL YOU LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS!?
Rellik - Eric Young, I’m going to stick a drill into your head and suck your brain out with a straw, then I’m going to pull your eyes out, put them in a martini and drink it after stirring it with the finger that I’m going to cut off!
Tenay - BOY, JUDGING BY THE WORDS OF RELLIK, THE WORST FEARS OF ERIC YOUNG HAVE COME TRUE!
Tenay - IT’S THE KING OF SPICE, CURRY MAN!
DW - BROTHER RAY JUST HIT HIM WITH THE SCALE!
Tenay - CERTAINLY NOT THE SCALES OF JUSTICE!
Tenay - BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY!

Ad Guy - TNA - WE ARE WRESTLING!
Ad Guy - WILL YOU LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS!?
Karen - JB, this is a big day - do you realize that Kurt has never done anything romantic in our entire lives?
EY - JB, I’ve got a problem - I’m afraid of monsters.
Lil’ Angle - There’s no such thing as monsters.
Karen - That’s right, and JB is busy being my maid of honor, so you’re going to have to run along and figure out things for yourself.
DW - It’s Valentine’s Day and what’s more appropriate than a wedding!? Tonight, THE ANGLES RENEW THEIR VOWS INSIDE THE SIX-SIDED RING!
Cornette - Tonight, we’re going to sign Samoa Joe to the most lucrative deal in TNA history. Nothing can go wrong tonight! Matt Morgan has been instructed to stay out of the Impact Zone and there’s no table!
Tenay - Tonight, WE FINALLY GET TO SEE JOE SIGN HIS RENEGOTIATION CONTRACT!
Cornette - Joe, you deserve the adulation of the crowd. If you don’t sign it, I’ll be cleaning out the catbox, and I’ll be honored if you’ll use my back as a desk. I wouldn’t turn my back on you if I didn’t trust you (Christian’s theme hits) OH WHAT THE HELL NOW!?
Cage - Hold on, before you put pen to paper, there’s something that I need to discuss with Samoa Joe. Now everybody knows Joe you were the special enforcer referee for my match, and as the special enforcer referee, your job requires you to secure a fair rfight. Now I understand that you stopped AJ Styles from interfering, and I get that, but you also have to realize that you left the backdoor open and let Tomko make the biggest mistake of his pathetic existence by costing me the world heavyweight championship! Now Joe, I’m not coming out here to blame you (fans boo), hold on a second, I’m not saying what you did was intentional, all I’m asking is for you to help me make it right. Now I know we aren’t friends, and we may never be friends, but I’m asking you to be my partner tonight! Against AJ Styles and Tomko. I don’t just want you to be my partner, I want you to help me take them out!
Joe - Christian, I’ve been in your position, but your title chase is over. Because according to that man right there, the next title shot goes to this man in front of you (fans chant Joe)
Tenay - THAT’S PART OF THE DEAL HE MADE WITH JIM CORNETTE!
Joe - Maybe you’re right, maybe I didn’t do the best job in the world last night, but it’s been a long time since I’ve been in a fight in the Impact Zone, and they say the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and tonight my friend, I’ll take them on with you.
Cornette - JOE, JOE, WAIT A MINUTE! Now that you’ve taken care of your personal business, but now you have to take care of TNA business, which is more important.
Joe - Are you trying to tell me that TNA business is more important than my personal business? That saving your job and keeping you in a cheap tie is more important?
Cornette - No, I’m just trying to say…
Joe - Jimmy, when I take care of my personal business, maybe, just maybe, I’ll take care of your TNA business.
Tenay - LET’S GO TO THE BACK WITH CRYSTAL AND TOMKO!
Crystal - Tomko, why did you screw over your friend, Christian Cage, at Against All Odds?
Tomko - IS THAT HOW YOU SEE IT, THAT’S NOW HOW I SEE IT? THAT’S NOT HOW I SEE IT, I’VE BEEN HAVING CHRISTIAN HAVE ME LIKE A MONKEY, BUT I DIDN’T NEED HIM TO BE A STAR, I’M A STAR ON MY OWN! FINALLY AND FOREVER, ME AND CHRISTIAN CAGE ARE OVER!
Crystal - Where do you stand with the Angle Alliance?
Tomko - I’ll get to that later when I have a little discussion with Mr. Angle.
Crystal - AJ, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Christian Cage picked Samoa Joe as his partner.
AJ - So what? As if this isn’t the worst night of my life, with Kurt and Karen renewing their vows…
Kurt - WHAT? You’re my best man. Now wear the suit. (he leaves)
AJ - HE’S WITH MY WOMAN! I’M NOT WEARING THE SUIT!
Tenay - IT’S THE KING OF SPICE, CURRY MAN!
Tenay - WHAT’S EARL HEBNER HAVE IN HIS HANDS?
DW - WHY, IT’S A SCALE! OF COURSE!
Earl - Bubba, Devon, to wrestle in this match tonight, you have to weight less than 275, here’s the scales - we’ll see what’s going on.
DW - I’m no expert, but just by eyeballing this thing, I don’t see how they stand a chance.
Tenay - Any estimates?
DW - I’d say that Devon could come in at under 300.
Tenay - UNDER 300!? IT HAS TO BE 275 POUNDS!
(Devon passes)Tenay - Okay, one’s down. But he didn’t say how much under he was.
DW - I’D LOVE TO HEAR EXACT NUMBERS!
(Ray gets on the scale)DW - I DON’T THINK HEBNER’S EVER SEEN NUMBERS THIS HIGH!
Tenay - Oh, he’s taking off the flannel shirt. Yeah, that’ll help.
DW - Please don’t take anything else off.
Tenay - This is embarrassing.
Earl - Bubba, please don’t take anything else off - you’re way, way over. This match’ll have to be a handicap match.
Fans - JEN-NY CRAIG! JEN-NY CRAIG!
Tenay - Boy Against All Odds was great, even the Robert Roode versus Booker T match, BUT NOTHING GOT SETTLED THERE, DID IT!?
Tenay - DIRECT TO THE ORIENT…FROM THE ORIENT TO TNA, CURRY MAN!
DW - BROTHER RAY JUST HIT HIM WITH THE SCALE!
Tenay - CERTAINLY NOT THE SCALES OF JUSTICE! LET’S GO TO THE BACK WITH CRYSTAL AND BOOKER T!
Booker - I’m not worrying about the damn show, I’m worrying about when Robert Roode comes here, I’m gonna snap his neck.
Rellik - Eric Young, I’m going to stick a drill into your head and suck your brain out with a straw, then I’m going to pull your eyes out, put them in a martini and drink it after stirring it with the finger that I’m going to cut off!
Tenay - BOY, JUDGING BY THE WORDS OF RELLIK, THE WORST FEARS OF ERIC YOUNG HAVE COME TRUE!
Penzer - From Detroit, Michigan, accompanied to the ring BY HIS LATEST FREAK, “Big Poppa Pump” Scott Steiner!
Tenay - At Against All Odds, this man who overcame the PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL DAMAGE, AND I MEAN THE PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL SCARS, BY BEATING JUDAS MESIAS IN BARB WIRE MASSACRE! IN MY MIND, HE REACHED THE PINNACLE OF HIS CAREER BY WINNING BARB WIRE MASSACRE!
Tenay - Scott Steiner earned his legacy by winning titles, and there are men who make their legacies by being able to take more pain than anyone else, and on top of the list, which included Terry Funk, Cactus Jack, the Sheik, and Bruiser Brody, I’d add Abyss.
DW - WAIT, ABYSS IS WALKING BACK UP THE RAMP!
Tenay - THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BIZARRE MOMENTS WE’VE EVER HADN ON IMPACT!
DW - HE JUST TOOK OFF HIS MASK! (fans boo)
Steiner - I DIDN’T COME HERE JUST TO LOOK GOOD, I CAME HERE TO KICK SOMEBODY’S ASS! I WON AT AGAINST ALL ODDS, WHICH MEANS I CAN COMMAND AND DEMAND AN X DEVISING TITLE SHOT AND I CAN DEMAND AND COMMAND A WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH, WHICH MEANS WE’RE GONNA DO THINGS THE WAY BIG POPPA PUMP DOES THEM! I BROUGHT WITH ME MY FAVORITE FREAK, RACHA KAHN, YOU MESS WITH ME, YOU GOTTA GET THROUGH HER! NOBODY TOUCHES MY FREAKS! ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GET THEIR ASSES KICKED, COME OUT NOW!
Petey - Hey Scotty, Big Poppa Pump, you might’ve had Cloverfield there distract me, but you’ve screwed me for the last time, and you might think I’m Little Petey Punp to your Big Poppa Pump, but I’M THE DEFINITION OF DEFINITION, MAPLE LEAF MUSCLE, AND TONIGHT, YOU’RE GONNA BE THE LOSER AND I’M GONNA BE THE WINNER!
Tenay - This is a rematch from Against All Odds, and tonight, WE HAVE ANOTHER REMATCH AS ODB AGAINST AWESOME KONG, AND THE ANGLES RENEW THEIR WEDDING VOWS ON A VERY SPECIAL TNA IMPACT!
DW - SCOTT STEINER JUST PULLED PETEY UP AND PATTED HIM ON THE SHOULDER!
Tenay - DO YOU THINK THAT’S MUTUAL RESPECT!? LET’S GO TO THE BACK WITH CRYSTAL AND TOMKO!
Tomko - I’ll join the Angle Alliance as long as it’s understood that I’m not your bitch.
Angle - NO BITCHIN’!
Tomko - I’ll join if Tomko can do what Tomko wants to do.
Angle - Okay. Are you coming to my wedding?
Tomko - No.
Angle - That’s okay!
Tenay - WAIT A MINUTE, I’M GETTING WORD THAT CHRISTIAN CAGE HAS BEEN LAID OUT IN THE BACK! YES, THERE YOU SEE IT (he points to monitor, screen goes black, then goes to video of Cage laid out)
EY - JB, did you hear what Rellik said about me? He said he’s gonna eat my brains and then drink a martini, which I like shaken and not stirred with my eyes, what am I gonna do!?
Karen - WHAT YOU’RE GONNA DO!? YOU’RE GONNA STOP ANNOYING MY MAID OF HONOR! EATING YOUR BRAINS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT I’M GONNA DO TO YOU!
Penzer - This is a non-title tag team revenge match!
Tenay - Kevin Nash says that he doesn’t fight for free, but he’s fighting for more than money tonight!
Tenay - Christian Cage being laid out in the back, you know, I’m putting two and two together, and I think AJ HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT!
DW - You know, it hindsight, he looked a little too jovial when he came out!
(during a series of punches)Crowd - LET’S GO JOE! LET’S GO AJ! LET’S GO JOE! LET’S GO AJ!
Tenay - DIDJA HEAR THAT!? JOE PUT ON THE BRAKES!
DW - DIDJA SEE THAT?! JOE’S TIRED!
Joe - ANGLE, BEFORE I GET MY SHOT, I’VE REALIZED THAT I’VE GOTTA TAKE OUT THE ANGLE ALLIANCE! AND I’M GONNA GO TO WAR WITH THE MOST UNLIKELY OF ARMIES! BIG KEV WILL BE THERE AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE CHRISTIAN WILL BE TOO!
Tenay - RELLIK RETURNS TO THURSDAY NIGHT IMPACT!
Tenay - Tonight, WE’VE GOT THE STARS OF NASCAR! OUR BUDDY, HERMIE SADLER WILL BE HERE!
DW - Boy, a special night like tonight, with the renewal of the wedding vows, brings out the stars!
Tenay - Rellik, THAT SPELLS KILLER BACKWARDS!
DW - Rellik’s putting on the other mask over the other mask, AND ERIC WASN’T EXPECTING THAT!
Tenay - HE JUMPS RIGHT BACK!
Tenay - RELLIK WINS WITH THE SICKLE, NOW LET’S GO TO OUR BUDDY HERMIE SADLER!
Sadler - How would you compare wrestling and NASCAR as… sports?
Sabin - Well, especially with the Machine Guns, it’s all about speed.
(to LAX)Shelley - Where are your green cards?
Salinas - HEY!
Shelley - Okay. Both are very dangerous. One small move can cost you a match, a race, or break your neck.
(to LAX)Sadler - And what do you think about how wrestling and NASCAR correlate?
Cide - NASCAR? The only cars I like are my stripper wheels that I take to my buddy’s chop shop…
Rave - WE LOVE YOU PENSACOLA!
Hoyt - ALL I WANNA KNOW IS WHO’S PLAYING WITH MY WHAMMY BAR TONIGHT!? YEAH YEAH YEAH!
Tenay - BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY, THEY RANG THE BELL, JIMMY!
Jimmy Spencer - THIS ISN’T NASCAR!
Rhino - LAST SUNDAY, I CAME OUT HERE AND SAID THAT I HAD SOMETHING TO SAY! WELL I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT I HAVE ONE PERSON TO SAY IT TO, AND THAT’S YOU JAMES STORM! I’M NOT GONNA COME OUT HERE AND PISS AND MOAN ABOUT HOW YOU REINTRODUCED ALCOHOL INTO MY LIFE, I’M GONNA COME OUT HERE AS A MAN AND SAY THAT I ALLOWED YOU TO DO IT AND THAT I SCREWED UP! I SCREWED UP MY FAMILY AND MY FANS! I’VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, ARE YOU A MAN!? DO YOU HAVE BALLS!?
Fans - RHINO! RHINO!
Rhino - IT FEELS GOOD TO BE BACK, AND I’M BACK TO KICK SOME ASS! IF YOU’RE A MAN AND YOU HAVE BALLS, YOU WILL COME OUT AT DESTINATION X AND FACE ME TOE-TO-TOE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT STORM, LET’S NOT DO IT IN THE RING, LET’S NOT DO IT IN THE RING, LET’S DO IT IN THE MOST DANGEROUS MATCH IN WRESTLING! 15 FEET ABOVE THE RING, IN AN ELEVATION X MATCH!
DW - YEAH!
Rhino - I’M STANDING ON MY OWN TWO FEET, AND 15 FEET ABOVE THE RING, YOU WILL NOT BE STANDING ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET WHEN YOU LAND, BECAUSE I WILL CUT YOU IN HALF WITH A GORE GORE GORE!
Tenay - CHALLENGE THROWN OUT TO JAMES STORM AT DESTINATION X, LET’S LOOK AT AWESOME KONG!
ODB - KONG, YOU BEAT ME AT AGAINST ALL ODDS, SO WHAT? IT ISN’T THE FIRST FIGHT I LOST AND IT WON’T BE THE LAST! WE FIGHT FIVE TIMES, I WIN THREE! IT ISN’T ABOUT THE KNOCKOUTS TITLE, I’M GONNA KICK YOUR BUFFALO BOOTY AROUND THE RING!
(Kong puts ODB against the wall, prepares a running attack)Tenay - WE’VE GOTTA GO TO A COMMERCIAL BREAK!
Tenay - Don, let’s get everyone caught up to speed!
DW - AWESOME KONG CAME RUNNING AT ODB AGAINST THE WALL LIKE A TRAIN, THEN ODB SPIT SOME KIND OF SODA INTO HER FACE AND THAT JUST SET AWESOME KONG OFF!
Banks - Booker, I just want to say that I’m sorry for what happened on Sunday, and that I just got a call from Robert saying that he won’t be here tonight.
Booker - WELL, YOU CALL HIM BACK AND YOU TELL ROBERT THAT IF HE ISN’T HERE NEXT WEEK, I’M GONNA SEARCH THE WHOLE ISLAND OF MANHATTAN FOR HIS PUNK ASS, AND I WON’T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS!
Cornette - Booker, I know how you feel, but you can’t be hanging around here like a stalker or serial killer. It seems to me like you don’t have enough to do here, so next week, you’re going to face Kurt Angle.
DW - It’s no surprise that AJ Styles isn’t happy about this. Look at him, it looks like someone stole his puppy.
Priest - And now the bride, with her maid of honor, Jeremy Borash
Tenay - Yes, the maid of honor, Jeremy Borash.
DW - Why wouldn’t he be? He couldn’t be more proud - he was the brainchild of this whole thing. This is what Valentine’s Day is all about.
Fans - ANGLE SUCKS! ANGLE SUCKS!
Priest - THIS IS A WEDDING!
Priest - Kurt Steven Angle, do you take this woman…
Angle - 12 time champion…
Priest - Oh, I didn’t know that. Kurt Steven Angle, 12-time world champion, Olympic champion, do you take Karen to be your bride until death do you part?
Priest - Karen, do you take Kurt Steve Angle, 12-time world champion, Olympic gold medal winner, to be your husband?
Kurt - She says yes.
Priest - If any man has a reason to not want these two to be married, please say your peace or forever hold your peace.
Joe - PREACHER MAN, I OBJECT! Kurt, I’ll be real honest, we were just gonna wait for you to come to the parking lot and beat you with a baseball bat, we didn’t want to see you make a fool of yourself and agree to marry this dime store snank.
Tenay - YUP, SOUNDS LIKE A WEDDING ON TNA IMPACT!
DW- THEY’VE STRIPPED HIM DOWN TO HIS LITTLE HEART UNDERWEAR!
Priest - I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU MAN AND WIFE!
Tenay - WHAT? I THINK THE MINISTER JUST GOT KNOCKED SILLY! HIS GLASSES ARE OFF!
DW - HE JUST MARRIED AJ STYLES AND KAREN ANGLE!


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TNA is on today? I thought it was on yesterday.

[quote name='JJSP']ROH = highspots and headdrops. I love their roster based on workrate, but there's very few guys there who can actually tell a story in a match. Aside from that, a lot of their guys are very similar in their styles and gimmicks. It's hard to distinguish one guy from another (the glaring absence from their website: a roster page), and that makes it hard to give a crap about their talent.

I know ROH tries to be more about the wrestling than the character, but it's impossible to do anything in wrestling without a solid mix of both. Catering to JUST the smarks will only please a very small percentage of wrestling fans - for them to really be important, they've gotta branch out and expand.[/quote]

I think that's quite unfair to Ring of Honor. If anything, TNA is the only company that is being carried by it's workrate. AJ Styles, Joe, and other go out there and nearly kill themselves over matches that mean absolutely nothing. Just look at how many different times Abyss eats glass and thumbtacks for no reason.

At least in Ring of Honor, and this goes back to how hard it is to keep up with the company, there are definitely laid out plans that make sense and set out to achieve things over the long term. It's just those things are hard to notice if you aren't watching all the time.

For example, Nigel knew he was getting the belt before even Morishima had even won it from Homicide and that was February of 2007. He was the guy that beat Joe in Joe's last match American Ring of Honor match. Nigel then got beaten by Chris Hero sometime in April or something, which went on to lead into the current Hero/Nigel title feud last November and it's still ongoing and unfinished as Myke can attest to. It's just harder than hell to keep track of if you aren't buying all the DVDs.

In other words, ROH is a lot like Ron Paul. Great ideas in theory, but far too radical to really mean anything.
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So does that make TNA Bob Dole?
 
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