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[quote name='ubernes']
Bucs just went for it on 4th and 10 with about a minute left in the half. Tie game. I think at the 50 or around there. Obviously there's a problem here.[/QUOTE]

Okay, that one's bad. I still don't see a problem with what the Jags did though.
 
hey ubernes, i know somebody asked about a trade block being posted on the opening page is this something being considered just wondering because I support the idea.
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']hey ubernes, i know somebody asked about a trade block being posted on the opening page is this something being considered just wondering because I support the idea.[/QUOTE]

Sure. If anyone wants to put anything on a public trade block PM me and I'll update the OP with a section. What you're looking for and who is up for grabs.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
Ubernes - Isn't your one loss from going for 2 and failing on the tying TD rather than taking the sure XP for a tie? ;)

I don't see how this is any different.[/QUOTE]

This actually made me think. Maybe I was being too harsh on it, but I don't know. My case was going for the W or settling for OT, where I would be letting a coin toss decide my fate. In the case we're discussing now, both options would put the team up with less than 2 minutes to spare. I don't know if they compare. It really isn't the worst, but I just don't see the point of it.

I'm also not sure where you're getting the Chiefs as this unstoppable force on offense that would justifying them going for it. He was 1 for 6 on 3rd downs and threw one INT.

I think I'm just annoyed that this is happening at least once every week now it seems so maybe my concern is a bit too much in this case, but I'm not 100% sure it is.
 
[quote name='ubernes']
I'm also not sure where you're getting the Chiefs as this unstoppable force on offense that would justifying them going for it. He was 1 for 6 on 3rd downs and threw one INT.
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Not sure where I got it either, I was looking at the wrong thing on the page. That definitely makes it a dodgier decision, but still not indefensible.

The TD came with 2:35 left, not under the 2 minute warning, if it makes any difference, so the Chiefs would have had plenty of time.

And for the record, I'm just as annoyed by people abusing 4th downs, I just don't think this is a terrible example of it.
 
[quote name='ubernes']This actually made me think. Maybe I was being too harsh on it, but I don't know. My case was going for the W or settling for OT, where I would be letting a coin toss decide my fate. In the case we're discussing now, both options would put the team up with less than 2 minutes to spare. I don't know if they compare. It really isn't the worst, but I just don't see the point of it.

I'm also not sure where you're getting the Chiefs as this unstoppable force on offense that would justifying them going for it. He was 1 for 6 on 3rd downs and threw one INT.

I think I'm just annoyed that this is happening at least once every week now it seems so maybe my concern is a bit too much in this case, but I'm not 100% sure it is.[/QUOTE]


I didn't trust my defense, the chiefs had two crazy scoring plays where the runner broke about 5 tackles, I wanted the win and if i got stopped at like 2 with 2 minutes left, I would go for the safety. I didnt think it was that big of a deal.

And for what its worth, the chiefs went 4 and out the next possession.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
And for the record, I'm just as annoyed by people abusing 4th downs, I just don't think this is a terrible example of it.[/QUOTE]

No it's not. I'm not calling for neworlbush's head or mulling over kicking him out of the league or anything like that. It's not that bad. I was just concerned and then slightly surprised so many people were using kick lag as an excuse. His reasoning (and thank you btw for posting that above, it really helps clarify these situations) on the other hand makes sense. The issue is pretty much settled, but it was worth discussing.

Now I need to look into this next one.
 
Okay, this is literally the last freaking straw for me. This is my 3rd game this season where I had a opponent go for it, the two prior going unmentioned on the forum about it because I felt like when I told them it was inappropriate they got the picture. Not only is it, I think, extremely rude but, it's a spit in the face to what I enjoyed about playing in online franchise.
14-14 with just under 2 min to go on my 40, 4th and 10, I finally stopped jbrun after two consecutive drives of torching my D for just under 200 yards passing. So there I am, stoked I got a stop and he goes for it. I paused and called a time out, tried to send him a xbxl message but, for some reason the site wasn't loading and couldn't send it to him. I figured he would get the message due to my INTENTIONALLY delaying the play but sure enough he got the first down off it. Once I could send him a msg over xbxl saying, it was inappropriate going for it 4th down and got the reply, "occasionally teams go for it. i thought the conditions were fair. i wont do it again. i apoligize if you have a problem wwith it.".
I'm sorry dude but, you are the THIRD person where pretty much THE EXACT same scenario and both of them said the SAME thing after it happened and I'm done with it. I continued the game absolutely livid and wanting to destroy everyone of his players and come back so I wouldn't have to post and let karma triumph, however, after a horrible string of fumbles and forced passes trying to come back he was beating me by a solid 20 points (not sure what the score was by the time I quit, sometime in the 4thQ after my 4th or 5th fumble wanting to flay someone and broke a controller).
SO with all this being said, I would GREATLY appreciate it if, prior to any game with ANYONE in this league, if you would grant me the courtesy by PMing pre-game and say, "I will do anything I can to win this game regardless of the ridiculous play style I may adapt.". So that way, I can quit the league for that week and let you play against the CPU, because that's clearly what you want.

P.S. To all the people constantly going 4 wide on every single play. You know what? I GET IT! I can go fucking 4 w every play with hightower in the backfield and rape your face for yardage with 2 of my speedest guys (roberts/S-H) and gain a unrealistic about of yards a game, run streaks and score every drive.
Is that football? No.
Do I enjoy playing like that? Hell no.
I pray that this upcoming "patch" will address some of issues with the DB's picking up their men in zone coverage, or else I might have a conniption fit. Excuse me if I seem ridiculous but, I feel as if there is a current trend going toward this play style and it just seems exactly the sort of thing I wanted to get away from by staying in this league. Seeing this sort of game play start to prevail over a mixed run game is EXACTLY why I gave up Breaston for Talib, to counter it but, obviously it's not enough.
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']I sent you an xbl message...how does 7pm est work?[/QUOTE]

That should be fine for me. I'm at work, so my girlfriend is probably on my gamertag watching netflix. I won't see your message until 12:30am CST.
 
OK, I want to explain why I did what I did.

I was on the opponents 39 yard line with about 30 seconds left in the half before my opponent got the ball back. My kicker cant make a kick that far, and I thought it was too close to punt.

Taking a risk when my opponent would end up on his own 39 with only 30 seconds left in the half is something that I think an NFL coach would consider. I felt very comfortable stopping him from there if I missed.

I know it sounds crazy, but I did this because I trusted my defense to come up with the stop in this situation, so why not take the risk with such a short amount of time left before my opponent gets the ball back anyways.

This is not something I do regularly if you look at my game history. I do know that we are supposed to play this like the real NFL, but I also don't think that means we can NEVER take a chance. I mean, abnormal things happen occasionally in football. if its infrequent and able to be justified, I think its OK. That being said, if we are playing that never ever go for it on 4th, even when we thinks its justified, then I promise I won't do it again in the league.

I do openly apologize to Darth and anyone else who thinks that my decision was wrong. Darth quit before the end of the game and I did try to contact him to see if he wanted a rematch because he was mad about the call. When i realized he had signed off, I contacted ubernes to check on how i should handle the situation. Quit and Count or Quit and Don't Count. He advised me to count the game and he would review the situation later.

The Final Score was 48-21.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Co-Games of the Week.

5-1 Seattle Seahawks @ 7-0 Oakland Raiders
5-1 Pittsburgh Steelers @ 6-1 New Orleans Saints[/QUOTE]

I need to look at the schedule more carefully for these gems. I'll be keeping my eye on how the Steelers and Raiders do. If only I could scout the AFC competition with spectator mode haha.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']
P.S. To all the people constantly going 4 wide on every single play. You know what? I GET IT! I can go fucking 4 w every play with hightower in the backfield and rape your face for yardage with 2 of my speedest guys (roberts/S-H) and gain a unrealistic about of yards a game, run streaks and score every drive.
Is that football? No.
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Actually, it is football. Not every team should be running the spread offense obviously, but some do in real life. Quite often. Especially teams without good running games who use their quick passing offense as their rushing game. The 2007 Patriots did this with historical effectiveness. While I agree it's definitely broken in Madden and WAY too easy to do with every team, let's not act like it's not a legitimate offensive gameplan, because it is.

I'm playing with a team who passes WAY more than they run in real life (at least since the demise of LT), and in fact it was trying to get away from that which lead in part to my 3 game skid earlier this season (one of which was to you). People have got to run the offense they feel works for their team.

I agree with you 100% on 4th downs though, it's gotten way out of hand and it needs to stop. I don't think jbrun's was that bad though. When ubernes said it was "midfield" I thought it was, but from your 40 it's not indefensible.
 
There was 1:39 left on the clock when you went for it, so the 30 seconds left is bogus. You scored with 20 seconds left off with a 26 yard pass so that would mean you got 2 plays off in 10 seconds using no timeouts. I really wish I wouldn't have left the game so I could have kept the play by play recap so I could go play by play.
I felt very comfortable stopping him from there if I missed.
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You were playing 3 deep the half of the entire game trying to minimize my pass game and letting me rip off huge yards running/passing but always stopping me around the 15-20 yard mark. No shit you could stop me. I was content with trying to grind the clock down trying to keep possession but, once I put the crazy deep passes you were constantly throwing and your coverage *together I felt like a sucker.

This is not something I do regularly if you look at my game history. I do know that we are supposed to play this like the real NFL, but I also don't think that means we can NEVER take a chance. I mean, abnormal things happen occasionally in football. if its infrequent and able to be justified, I think its OK.
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How many times has it been brought up on this MB that going for it on 4th D in a crazy situation is wrong? 5, 10, 20? I would quote every single one of them for you but really I've had enough of this crap. Once again to any of my future opponents let me know if you're going to be playing "I WIN" and I'll just spare myself the aggravation and let you play the CPU.
 
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RE: This new 4th down situation. It's not as bad as I initially thought. Though 4th and long, no matter where you are is pretty much punting time unless it's in the 4th and you're down. I do think where the clock sits plays a large part, and that's what makes this tricky.

edit: 1:39 and 30 seconds is sort of a big difference in this situation. Netting 20 yards with a punt is pretty negligible with 30 seconds left. Even with 3 timeouts, there's little risk as you should be able to defend well enough to at least keep them out of the endzone and hopefully out of field goal range. 1:39 and you should probably take the 20 yards.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Actually, it is football. Not every team should be running the spread offense obviously, but some do in real life. Quite often. Especially teams without good running games who use their quick passing offense as their rushing game. The 2007 Patriots did this with historical effectiveness. While I agree it's definitely broken in Madden and WAY too easy to do with every team, let's not act like it's not a legitimate offensive gameplan, because it is.
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I get it IS a legitimate offense however, with a couple of speedy receivers/backs running long posts and streaks they literally FLY by either Safety and their respective corner because of the delay of them understanding what's going on. Trust me, I'm not the type of person to whine about a persons playstyle, usually if I get beat off it I try to adapt it into my own. If I'm throwing for 442 yards with Leinhart on the Seahawks last week there's something freaking wrong.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']How many times has it been brought up on this MB that going for it on 4th D in a crazy situation is wrong? 5, 10, 20? I would quote every single one of them for you but really I've had enough of this crap.[/QUOTE]

I didnt think it was a crazy situation. I thought in the situation it was justifiable. I never would've done it if i didnt think it was a realistic (but admittedly risky) call.

Again, I apologize Darth. I did try to offer you a rematch, because i knew you were pissed off about the situation but you quit before the end of the game and turned off your console. (which I believe is also something that has been addressed in the forum)

You seem like a pretty cool guy, and I'm sorry this situation upset you so much. I will throw it out there one more time, if ubernes is able to reset our game, I will play you again in a rematch.

I really would like to set this straight. Heck, I'll even take an automatic loss if it can be reset. It's only a game, and I don't want to ruin it for other people, it should be fun.

As for further games, I'll never go for it on 4th down again unless I'm down in the end of the 4th quarter regardless of the time/yardage situation.

Anyways, one more time. Sorry to upset you Darth, and I hope you keep playing and enjoy it.
 
You're right, it's not as fun playing that way, but it's what we have with this game.

I'd rather embrace it (see me trading Sproles for Moss) than try to make a principled stand and get my ass kicked (see my 3 game losing streak).

I mostly play with the personnel I have. Last year I had Chris Johnson, and I ran it way more than I passed it. This year I have the Chargers, so I need to air it out.
 
For the record: I played jbrun the other day in a scrim and he could not have been a classier opponent. I'm pretty sure there were several times he could have gone for it similarly and chose to punt.

I absolutely agree with him that occasionally coaches roll the dice and do something unconventional.

I think most people can agree on when it is utterly ridiculous to go for it on 4th down (and we've seen plenty of those instances) but within the gray area I see no reason we shouldn't be flexible in allowing people to make choices. Despite the game's defensive foibles, 4th down is not an auto conversion, I have stopped it many times this year. As long as it's in that gray area (which this clearly was I think) than you're weighing the risk and reward. To be honest, I might have gone for it there too if I thought I could get it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You're right, it's not as fun playing that way, but it's what we have with this game.

I'd rather embrace it (see me trading Sproles for Moss) than try to make a principled stand and get my ass kicked (see my 3 game losing streak).

I mostly play with the personnel I have. Last year I had Chris Johnson, and I ran it way more than I passed it. This year I have the Chargers, so I need to air it out.[/QUOTE]

All that does is just make this a game of rock paper scissors.
Hmmm ... is he going to throw a screen or launch it 40 yards up the field this play hmmmm??? I felt like this sort of game play would be quelled after Clark went for what? 400 yards receiving in the Colts first game and with Manning throwing a bazillion yards his first 4 games and still coming away with Defeats and with Doom and BigAt coming away with 4 straight wins with 200-250 yards passing and 100-150 yards running *approx*. I was really hoping this style of play would come out ahead over this air-ball nonsense.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
I think most people can agree on when it is utterly ridiculous to go for it on 4th down (and we've seen plenty of those instances) but within the gray area I see no reason we shouldn't be flexible in allowing people to make choices. Despite the game's defensive foibles, 4th down is not an auto conversion, I have stopped it many times this year. As long as it's in that gray area (which this clearly was I think) than you're weighing the risk and reward. To be honest, I might have gone for it there too if I thought I could get it.[/QUOTE]

This nicely sums up both situations we discussed tonight imho. I do believe they were worth discussing and I don't discredit anyone's complaints about the situations, but in the end it is a gray area. I do hope that what this conversation does is make people think twice, or even three times about 4th down attempts so we don't run into situations which are unarguably jerk moves.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']All that does is just make this a game of rock paper scissors.
Hmmm ... is he going to throw a screen or launch it 40 yards up the field this play hmmmm??? I felt like this sort of game play would be quelled after Clark went for what? 400 yards receiving in the Colts first game and with Manning throwing a bazillion yards his first 4 games and still coming away with Defeats and with Doom and BigAt coming away with 4 straight wins with 200-250 yards passing and 100-150 yards running *approx*. I was really hoping this style of play would come out ahead over this air-ball nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Personnel.

If I had a running game like BigAT's that would be the offense I was running. That's the offense I ran last year with the Titans.

I even tried to run a similar style this year, I went 2-3 with it. So I switched to an offense which is better suited to my personnel, and I've won decisively twice in a row, both times allowing fewer points as well. Ironically, when I was running that style of offense you're talking about I ended up having to run more cheap plays like RB screens and the like because I was getting stuffed on the run. Switching it up has actually led to what I feel is a more realistic NFL offense for my team where I no longer need to resort to cheap plays to bail me out.

I get what you're saying, and I don't completely disagree with it by any means, but it's not as black and white as you're saying. There is room for more than one style of winning football games.
 
[quote name='bvharris'] To be honest, I might have gone for it there too if I thought I could get it.[/QUOTE]

Well when every play you do there's 1/3 chance to gain 15+ yards and it's your 4th attempt I'd take it too. To clarify I'm not saying to put a ban on constantly doing spread O's but, do exactly what I said prior. If you want to play ball exactly like how you're suggesting it should be widely accepted, fine. Just do me the courtesy prior so you can sim the cpu.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']Well when every play you do there's 1/3 chance to gain 15+ yards and it's your 4th attempt I'd take it too. To clarify I'm not saying to put a ban on constantly doing spread O's but, do exactly what I said prior. If you want to play ball exactly like how you're suggesting it should be widely accepted, fine. Just do me the courtesy prior so you can sim the cpu.[/QUOTE]

I'm not at all saying it should be widely accepted, I'm just saying that there are plenty of teams whose personnel dictate a similar style. You're making it out to be completely one way or the other, and it isn't.

I'm not sure when this became about me (though maybe I did that by injecting myself into the discussion), but in beating the Pats by 39 this week I still managed to run the ball 23 times for over 100 yards, mostly out of 3 or 4 wide sets. That's with one of the crappiest running games in the league.

I'm not saying hucking it downfield or running screens every play should be accepted, but there's a huge difference between that and running a legitimate spread offense.

There are definitely people in this league who do what you're saying (I know who they are, but I'm not gonna call them out) but as you've pointed out the two most successful teams DON'T do that, so obviously those owners aren't giving themselves any kind of undue advantage.
 
Put me down in the "not a fan" column of constantly running a spread offense out of the shotgun. This isn't the NCAA.
 
[quote name='BigAT']Put me down in the "not a fan" column of constantly running a spread offense out of the shotgun. This isn't the NCAA.[/QUOTE]

So I guess you also choose to ignore that there are teams in the NFL who have in the recent past run offenses consisting primarily of spread formations out of the shotgun?

Not everyone is blessed with backs that shed tacklers like they were made of butter, haha.
 
We'll all be laughing at this conversation in 3 years when Tim Tebow is on the cover of Madden 14 and there isn't a running play in the game.
 
[quote name='ubernes']We'll all be laughing at this conversation in 3 years when Tim Tebow is on the cover of Madden 14 and there isn't a running play in the game.[/QUOTE]

*Shudder*

In all seriousness though, with a few notable exceptions the NFL is currently a passing dominated league. Obviously Madden takes it to extremes, but the top 2 seeds in the AFC last year were last in the league in rushing yards (in my own self-serving way I'll point out that one of those were the Chargers).

Redworm - I just sent you a fairly extensive and perhaps crazy trade proposal. :D
 
Because a single team has done it at some point over the last few years doesn't seem like valid reasoning to me. If anything, it demonstrates how much it actually doesn't exist in the NFL. Even if it were, being broken/unfair in Madden should be of overriding concern relative to whether or not it realistically occurs in the NFL.

I'd play the way I do regardless of my team makeup. I have the Packers in the other O.F. I participate in. They have an atrocious offensive line and Ryan Grant, who is unimpressive at best, and I still play with pretty much the exact same gameplan. Even with Aaron Rodgers and Jennings/Driver, I still run over 50%.

On a fairly unrelated note, you really should be able to run effectively with that team. You have a monster offensive line, a fantastic blocking TE and Sproles is (was) a crazy fast, elusive back. Taking a glance at Matthews stats, he looks like he could be quite effective as well.
 
[quote name='ubernes']We'll all be laughing at this conversation in 3 years when Tim Tebow is on the cover of Madden 14 and there isn't a running play in the game.[/QUOTE]

/wrists
 
jbrun, it's fine. I'm not making this a crusade against you or trying to fill the board with what a horrible cheat you are (which you aren't). You have to keep in mind that this is the 3rd time in the franchise I've had a 4th down and going for it in a game changing situation and you are experiencing the brunt of my pent up frustration. I've been having a major problem with the mindset that people have that were in your exact same situation prior, which is 4th and going for it due to this 3-4 spread O plays intermingled in every drive that will get you a 15-20 yards.
Maybe it even comes from the NFL being more geared toward high-flying play style and franchise QB's? Who knows.

I think the fact that I'm not even made about a loss is what is being lost here. I can lose against quality teams all day long; for Christsakes I must have lost 150+ times before I beat Ubernes and as ridiculous as it seems that number is probably under what it actually was. Most of those game were blow outs as well and I would usually turn right around and replay him 10 minutes later. He was significantly better then me at controlling his team and had a better grasp on the sport of football then I did. I have no qualms with getting beat by guys who play the game better then me.
However, my last several games in franchise and scrims have been nothing but "my trump play train" ridiculousness. Online I expect to face dudes who will pimp their grandmother to win, I just expect the 4th down and spread O to stay in online play and NCAA.
I'm really banking on this getting at least marginally better in the patch and to OD on online play/scrims so I can just work whatever kinks I obviously have on D.
 
[quote name='BigAT']Because a single team has done it at some point over the last few years doesn't seem like valid reasoning to me. If anything, it demonstrates how much it actually doesn't exist in the NFL. Even if it were, being broken/unfair in Madden should be of overriding concern relative to whether or not it realistically occurs in the NFL.

I'd play the way I do regardless of my team makeup. I have the Packers in the other O.F. I participate in. They have an atrocious offensive line and Ryan Grant, who is unimpressive at best, and I still play with pretty much the exact same gameplan. Even with Aaron Rodgers and Jennings/Driver, I still run over 50%.

On a fairly unrelated note, you really should be able to run effectively with that team. You have a monster offensive line, a fantastic blocking TE and Sproles is (was) a crazy fast, elusive back. Taking a glance at Matthews stats, he looks like he could be quite effective as well.[/QUOTE]

Yet the Chargers are not a running team. In fact last year they had the lowest per carry average in the NFL. In my mind, I'm playing the team the way they ought to be played given their personnel. And btw, in my 49-10 game against the Pats I threw the ball 16 times and rushed it 23, so I'm not sure I'm the right person to be having this argument. :D Maybe it should be Venom, who last week threw it 39 times and rushed it 18. And his back is a wee bit better than what I have (sorry venom, not trying to drag you into this, just making an example).
 
[quote name='bvharris']I think most people can agree on when it is utterly ridiculous to go for it on 4th down (and we've seen plenty of those instances) but within the gray area I see no reason we shouldn't be flexible in allowing people to make choices. Despite the game's defensive foibles, 4th down is not an auto conversion, I have stopped it many times this year. As long as it's in that gray area (which this clearly was I think) than you're weighing the risk and reward. To be honest, I might have gone for it there too if I thought I could get it.[/QUOTE]

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but since everyone tosses their 2 cents in and tries to play "pocket commissioner"...

I don't get how going for it on 4th and 10 is "gray area" yet when my 4th and inches was brought up, I got blazed with pitchforks for it. Let's be consistent, at the very least. In my own personal opinion, generally anything beyond 4th and 3 should be instant punt. My instance was 7-7, near midfield I believe, in the 2nd quarter (I was wrong before when I stated it was 1st quarter, I went back and looked at the score summary and such -- but anyway) with my opponent getting the ball back after the half. My D is very hot/cold and having just given up an easy big play to the Redskins (making the game 7-7) I obviously was not very confident in what my D could do at that point in time. Getting 3rd and 1, then 4th and inches? Tie game, with the circumstances I described above? You're damn right I'm going for it.

Was I being malicious in my attempt? No, just doing what I felt was right for my team at that point in time. Had it been 14-7 or 68-7, then yeah, you're going to see my punt team on the field.
 
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The Steelers defeated the Saints 35-20, to move to 6-1

Mike Wallace and Rashard Mendenhall stole the show.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']All that does is just make this a game of rock paper scissors.
Hmmm ... is he going to throw a screen or launch it 40 yards up the field this play hmmmm??? I felt like this sort of game play would be quelled after Clark went for what? 400 yards receiving in the Colts first game and with Manning throwing a bazillion yards his first 4 games and still coming away with Defeats and with Doom and BigAt coming away with 4 straight wins with 200-250 yards passing and 100-150 yards running *approx*. I was really hoping this style of play would come out ahead over this air-ball nonsense.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to flat out admit that I can't get my run game to gel for shit, which is why I was actively looking for a RB (and still am, kind of). Also, playing from behind usually means you PASS THE BALL. Especially if you can't run the damn thing. When I played against the Texans and Giants, I couldn't get Addai to gain 4 yards with a 5 yard headstart, so what did I do? Pass. You don't see teams running the ball much when they're behind by 2 scores or more unless that gameplan is working, which usually mine does not. I drafted Shawn Andrews because he has high ratings for run blocking, and I need to be more 2-dimensional instead of Sir Pass-A-Lot 90% of the time. lol
 
[quote name='bvharris']Personnel.

If I had a running game like BigAT's that would be the offense I was running. That's the offense I ran last year with the Titans.

I even tried to run a similar style this year, I went 2-3 with it. So I switched to an offense which is better suited to my personnel, and I've won decisively twice in a row, both times allowing fewer points as well. Ironically, when I was running that style of offense you're talking about I ended up having to run more cheap plays like RB screens and the like because I was getting stuffed on the run. Switching it up has actually led to what I feel is a more realistic NFL offense for my team where I no longer need to resort to cheap plays to bail me out.

I get what you're saying, and I don't completely disagree with it by any means, but it's not as black and white as you're saying. There is room for more than one style of winning football games.[/QUOTE]

I jumped the shark and replied before reading your post, but you hit the nail right on the head and it's what I was going for. You put it so eloquently, bv. :applause:
 
Note to self for next time I scrim ubernes: Don't throw it near Revis. That guy catches anything in his vicinity, no joke. Though it was nice that my bomb to set up the winning score was over Revis' head. :D
 
[quote name='kayholiday']Lions owner,let me know when you will be free to play,im free anytime after 4pm eastern time[/QUOTE]

He's usually best reached by private messages or XBL as opposed to posts in the thread, just so you know.
 
[quote name='Zurezo']When the next power rankings coming out?[/QUOTE]

ubernes is taking it over, he said he might do one after week 8. Spoiler: You're 3rd or 4th. ;)
 
The Giants would like to welcome all 345 pounds of DT Grady Jackson to the team. The organization believes he will come in and immediately be a force up the middle for the Giants' defense.
 
[quote name='BigAT']The Giants would like to welcome all 345 pounds of DT Grady Jackson to the team. The organization believes he will come in and immediately be a force up the middle for the Giants' defense.[/QUOTE]

As if the Giants need more defensive help.... SIGH. :lol:
 
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