[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']It does not matter if Toney called him out, he had no MMA experience and it turned out to be the freakshow farce that any people expected. Couture missed his initial takedown, then, while on his knees, grabbed Toney's left leg and Toney just fell down, letting Couture fall on top of him practically into mount. That ALONE shows that Toney had .0000000001% useful MMA training.
He never even knew how to attempt getting up off his back, and barely even moved when he hit his back. Couture beating somebody like that, its like beating an 0-17 MMA fighter with no MMA skill. Its the same thing. Would people be jumping up in the air, dancing and praising Couture if he beat somebody like that? No. But they do for Toney. Like I said, it doesn't matter that Toney was talking all that smack, he never even threw a punch and has no MMA skills. I would have been able to mount and submit Toney if I got him down, its nothing special that Couture did.[/QUOTE]
I honestly can't tell whether we're arguing the same point or if you're actually trying to defend James Toney. I don't think anybody here is saying Randy Couture should get a shot at Brock Lesnar because he beat James Toney. I agree, beating a fighter of Toney's skill level isn't a big accomplishment. But with the shit Toney talked before the fight, he made it into one. He belittled MMA, and honestly thought it was something he could master in eight months. Hell, he was saying after he finished off Randy, he wanted Brock Lesnar next.
Now, clearly, he's just a delusional old man, but it doesn't change the fact that he honestly believed...and presented to the world, that his skill in boxing was enough by itself to beat Randy Couture in a fight. Sadly, he is not alone in the opinion, as many other boxing apologists believe that superior striking alone is enough to decimate any MMA fighter. Again...this line of thinking is delusional.
Honestly, I think what the UFC did with the fight was great because as best they could, they made the fight even. Ok, James Toney is old and past his prime. Well, Randy Couture is 5 years older and has shown a decline in his skills over the past several years. Randy Couture hasn't held the belt in 2 years. James Toney is a CURRENT champion in his sport. It's not like they needed the best MMA fighter in the world to beat James Toney. If he did get a shot at Lesnar, my God, that be a freaking massacre. Even if you took a younger, more athletic boxer and stuck him in there with Brock Lesnar, it would be the same result.
The bottom line is, in a real fight, you can't dictate what kind of attack your opponent brings at you. So you can't go into it with one skill, and think you're going to be successful. But what's interesting about the Boxing vs MMA argument is, there's nothing in boxing that is illegal in MMA. So, it's not like the boxer is actually handicapped in any way. But conversely, if you took an MMA fighter, and put him in a boxing match, he would be at a severe disadvantage because you're telling him he can't use at least half of his skills. That's not fair...and sure as hell isn't real fighting. How can people not see this?
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bj and his camp thought that was the way to win the fight. im really just puzzled, totally confused. theres no problem with the result i just cant comprehend how that was the strategy to get the win.
